bahamas fuel prices

[bajakian]

Originally Posted by Certifiable

Bajakian
You speak the truth !
The U.S does have one of the lowest fuel cost in the world...but it is a "relative" cost. We have the biggest and best refineries and distribution system in the world which helps keep the cost down when compared to other countries. We are also lucky to have some of the lowest import taxes in the world...why..because the US has the most natural resources and is not overly dependant on imported raw materials like other countries.
When was the last time you saw a label that said "Made in England", or Europe, or Bahamas ?

I dont see much stuff that says "made in England", but I see tons of stuff made in China, Japan and Thailand and Mexico.

And we import the vast majority of our oil, it is not an indigenous natural resource, unlike Mexico where the price of fuel is the same as it is here.

They are dependant on importing raw materials, and processed materials for thier countries to function, thus they have some of the highest import duties on materials entering thier country. What is the duty in the Bahamas..40% ?
I don't know...but I will guess that the US does not charge an import duty on fuel. I would be curious if anyone has more info on this.
England has had $5 /gallon gasoline for the past 10 years...not sure why. I can only guess high taxes and import duties would be the culprit there.

Great Britain has their own oil production company-have you ever heard of British Petroleum? In this country it is known as BP.

MY COMPLAINT is that we pay taxes to our government...a LOT of taxes. They should be more proactive in researching alternative fuel sources for the good of the country..and environment.

We do pay alot of taxes, but compared to the rest of the world, not so much. Did you know that in Europe that are countrys that have 50 to 70 percent tax brackets? And we spend our tax money differently than some of those more European countrys-Much more money is spent on social programs and foreign aid than any of those European countrys. We are also (for better or worse) the first to intervene when there is an international problem like the invasion of Kuwait or genocide in Africa.

When Exxon and rest of the oil boys are reporting BILLIONS $$ in PROFITS, while the country is driven into a recession (partly by rising fuel cost), I think that is wrong. They are entitled to a "fair" profit for thier enterprise, not exorbitant profits from ripping off the consumer while uncle sam looks the other way.

You say that you believe in the free market system and supply and demand, but my guess is that you wouldnt if the government decided that your profession's profits should be regulated. As someone in the medical field that is being regulated, trust me, it sucks. You dont want anymore government intervention than you need. If fuel gets prohibitively expensive, alternative power sources will be generated and then there will be no more Exxons.


The only way to fix this problem without government regulation is level off the playing field by introducing alternative fuel sources. That will stabilize the supply and demand equation. The problem is that it will take another private enterprise to put forth billions of dollars in research to find this new energy source because the oil lobbyist are demotivating the federal government through "contributions".

I agree but this country was built on private enterprize. Electricity was invented by the government but found by Edison and the refined by GE and Westinghouse.

This country is the greatest, and our government is the best. But, that doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement.
Reality is ALL governments are corrupt...even ours...you see it in the newspaper every day...we have just become accustomed to it.
I am not your typical person that blames the government for every problem, but this one is in thier ballpark and they choose not to play. Thats my beef.

There is no doubt some level of corruption in every government-No one could get elected without financial support and no support comes without expectations. But like everything in the world, corruption is relative-Some is probably tolerable and expected. The big question is when does "some" become "too much".

I will speak out against this crime against the American people while carrying my American flag and paying my American taxes....all the way to the gas pump where I will I put another 400 gallons in my gas hoggin' boat, cuz I am the typical spoiled American...and I refuse to own a sailboat.


Me too!

Thanks for the chalenging response...it is very enlightening to see other points of view.

It was good chatting with you!

[Bluefin Runner]

Yea this is pretty crazy I just came from there and it was pretty expensive @ 4.75 Gallon. Not liking the Bahamas too much.. Doing the tournament in Venezuela this year for Blue Marlin I can't wait to do that one at 15 cents a gallon of fuel. I can fish all day there and pay only 100 dollars probably to fill up my boat.

[B767]

Just my .02 ..... We cannot compare England/Europe to our system..Apples and oranges.....Yes, their gallon of gas is and has been at $5.00 for the longest time and their taxes are definetely higher than ours, but their medical, transportation and pension system, to name a few, are also different from ours.(Not to mention their beer is cheaper. ) Is there corruption at high levels where the government is in cohoots with the oil companies? IMHO ABSOLUTELY....!!!!! Proof?? Hard to come by. ..... However, funny that when the barrel of oil goes up 1,2 or 5% today, the gas prices go up INMEDIATELY....Likewise, the oil price goes down, it takes a week before the price at the pump comes down a few pennies. Follow the market and you will see. Love my country but like Cert mentioned......There's room for improvement!!!... Coincidentally, in the last 7 years, the budget allocated to Research and Developement of alternative fuel went from billions of $$$$ to almost a negligible amt.......Conspiracy????? Maybe not. But, could it be called "CONFLICT OF INTERESTS" Hmmmmmm

[bajakian]

I dont see us and europe as apples and oranges. More like two types of apples with differing tastes. Dont forget that we and our form of government are directly descended from England except that we got rid of the figurehead Monarch.

As far as their healthcare goes, my guess is that you have never gotten care there. I'd advise you not to get sick while you are there. They dont do kidney transplants or dialysis on anybody over age 55 (they let them die) and they dont have the kind of technology like MRI that we all take for granted here. They also dont have lawyers and malpractice suits. Its just another example of you get what you pay for.

As far as alternative fuels go, they exist now. Are you driving a Hybrid car or a car that burns an ethanol gasoline blend? When everybody does that the price of fuel will come down. Just my 2 cents.

[savanna lynn]

they don't make a hybrid 275 verado or i'd own it
there screwing us!!!

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by savanna lynn

they don't make a hybrid 275 verado or i'd own it
there screwing us!!!

My boat runs on H2O.










...the motors however use lots of diesel

[B767]

Originally Posted by bajakian

I dont see us and europe as apples and oranges. More like two types of apples with differing tastes. Dont forget that we and our form of government are directly descended from England except that we got rid of the figurehead Monarch.

As far as their healthcare goes, my guess is that you have never gotten care there. I'd advise you not to get sick while you are there. They dont do kidney transplants or dialysis on anybody over age 55 (they let them die) and they dont have the kind of technology like MRI that we all take for granted here. They also dont have lawyers and malpractice suits. Its just another example of you get what you pay for.

As far as alternative fuels go, they exist now. Are you driving a Hybrid car or a car that burns an ethanol gasoline blend? When everybody does that the price of fuel will come down. Just my 2 cents.

With the utmost respect that you deserve sir. The healthcare issue? You are absolutely WRONG!!! Been going there for 15 years. Have family and friends there, and I can tell you they are quite happy with that system.(Most of them past their 60's) Not perfect, but it's good. I wouldn't want to go there and take care of my kidneys anymore than they wouldn't want to come here and take care of theirs. Call it different taste of apples, it's good, but different apples at that. Love my country. Trust me, I travel extensively, but I recognize when someone is pulling a fast one. And IMHO, the oil companies are pulling a fast one on our citizens....$3.50 for a gallon of Diesel?........Again,SOMESIN SMELLY FUNNY 2 ME my .02.......
As far as alternative fuels, Hybrids are not. (They help but still uses gasolina) However, in Brazil, in which is basically a third world country, they are 100% energy independent. 100%!!!!!..........The research money that was stop by our government was mainly aimed at Hydrogen and the likes. That just about stop on its track in the last seven years. Sad but true.....Good fishing!!!!! Hope to have a cold one w ya in the keys and smash this to a pulp. It's always good hearing from different sides.......Once again, respectfully!!!!!

[savanna lynn]

brazil has the best technology and are energy independent where did they get the ideas and there president loves us he said so at the convention
your smoking crack if you dont think the oil companys dont have a monoply on this
i guess they dont buy the pattons and inventions our engineers come up with eigther, do some reserch on what a monoply is
the oil companys spear headed the hydrogen to control it as well and they'll own the bio companys before its all over
corperate GREED
the gov is not for small business we dont have the money to lobby
hell with this lets go fishing oh ya i cant afford to!

[bajakian]

The people that have the monopoly are the Arabs. They control the oil supply. If our oil companies werent paying a hundred dollars a barrel for crude oil, the prices would be less. Sure they are in it to make a profit. We all are. One of the great things about this country is the free enterprize system. Would you like it if someone in the government decided how much you can make doing charters? It is competition between entities that keeps prices down. It's the reason that phone prices keep dropping. And because there is no competition is the reason that the government regulates utilities and cable services.

[bajakian]

Originally Posted by B767

With the utmost respect that you deserve sir. The healthcare issue? You are absolutely WRONG!!! Been going there for 15 years. Have family and friends there, and I can tell you they are quite happy with that system.(Most of them past their 60's) Not perfect, but it's good. I wouldn't want to go there and take care of my kidneys anymore than they wouldn't want to come here and take care of theirs. Call it different taste of apples, it's good, but different apples at that. Love my country. Trust me, I travel extensively, but I recognize when someone is pulling a fast one. And IMHO, the oil companies are pulling a fast one on our citizens....$3.50 for a gallon of Diesel?........Again,SOMESIN SMELLY FUNNY 2 ME my .02.......
As far as alternative fuels, Hybrids are not. (They help but still uses gasolina) However, in Brazil, in which is basically a third world country, they are 100% energy independent. 100%!!!!!..........The research money that was stop by our government was mainly aimed at Hydrogen and the likes. That just about stop on its track in the last seven years. Sad but true.....Good fishing!!!!! Hope to have a cold one w ya in the keys and smash this to a pulp. It's always good hearing from different sides.......Once again, respectfully!!!!!

I believe that you travel extensively but have you ever needed serious medical care in a foreign country? I can tell you that any Canadian with money comes to the US for care. We did the Prime Minister of Canadas mothers cardiac cath at our hospital and it wasnt because she was on vacation. To see a specialist in Canada can take 6 months, to get an MRI can take even longer.

As far as the "conspiracy" if there is one its got to be on a world wide scale. Its hard to believe that every country in the world has this conspiracy going on setting artificially inflated price. I think that the Arabs (OPEC) are the ones with the monopoly that set prices and our oil companies compete against each other at the pump. If one of them could get a larger market share by making 10 cents a gallon less, they would.

But this is getting far from fishing. ( This thread started with me inquiring about the price of gas in the Bahamas. ) I am definitely up for having a cold one in the Keys or Bahamas with ya. Cheers!

[islandshark633]

you guys got all this out of a question about fuel prices in the Bahamas??

never mind the conspiracy theories, I want to know why there is only one Monopolies Commission....

[RiskTaker]

Wow, I have heard of stories on both sides of the fence.

"Fly" Navarro mentioned, at the SFC/SSC, last night, that Diesel fuel was about $US 0.07 per gallon in Venezuela. Maybe, just for the lucky or brave.

Another amigo, confirmed also that Gasoline was $BAH/$US 5.30 on Eleuthera just the other day and he has mentioned prices going to or exceeding, $7/gal. Perhaps this was the motivation for this thread in the first place. Some like to talk to communicate.

I would like to believe everyone to be speaking the truth, as they are truthful people, from the best I can tell.

So I can only say at this point: Venezuela is the BOM to attract diesel Yachts fishing attraction and the Bahamas is the place to go if you want to piss away money in fuel needs. Oh, but look at the Location.

BTW - Diesel fuel is the easiest distillate to get out of petroleum crude oil, compared to gasoline. So the cost of delivery of Diesel should be substantially lower than gasoline, by far. So if you see higher prices for Diesel, over gasoline, then, I suggest you are in the wrong universe. Just a suggestion for those that are tolerating whichever way the banter waives.

More on this later: May I suggest that you keep tabs on this subject matter, should your wallet be dependent on $cost/trip.

Alan, Ya Mon! Go figure. It is all about the Bahamas: forget about Vhf 16. Internet hi-way Baby! I rang you.

[B767]

Baja.......Is all good....I won't convince you and you will not convince me....Is all good....Beer on me if you give me some tips on fishing...

[bajakian]

Originally Posted by B767

Baja.......Is all good....I won't convince you and you will not convince me....Is all good....Beer on me if you give me some tips on fishing...

We can continue this over a beverage. I'm drinking Tequila. If there is something that I can tell you or help you with, feel free to ask. I hold no secrets unless I was told in secret. Where are you in the Keys? I am going to fish the Tortugas at the end of February.

[Harry Klauber]

Obviously by the way you write you are far too intelligent to banter back and forth on this forum outside of the fishing arena. Your comments about foreign healthcare are right on unless you want to talk about countries like Sweden or Norway. I was a world traveler (for work) for 34 years and had many occasions where I needed medical care abroad. I have many stories to tell and none contain the words "I got better care abroad than at home".

Where is Ocean Ridge? I'm thinking the Keys but never heard of it. I'm always looking for fishermen to share with and trying to make new friends for fishing trips. I got back from the islands on the 18th and am leaving again next Tuesday. The wahoo fishing has been super. I'm fishing on a 54 Hatteras so weather isn't all that critical to us as we go in just about anything albeit alot slower than you do on your Venture (nice boat - super power).

I'll post another report when I get back from this trip.

[B767]

Originally Posted by bajakian

We can continue this over a beverage. I'm drinking Tequila. If there is something that I can tell you or help you with, feel free to ask. I hold no secrets unless I was told in secret. Where are you in the Keys? I am going to fish the Tortugas at the end of February.

Long Key......Tequila it is!!!! You can stop by for a pit stop on the way down. Let me know. Be glad to show you round. Stay tune. ......BTW You want to fill in the keys, they'll deliver GAS for 3.05 Today's price.....Last week? 2.95........

[Bluefin Runner]

Originally Posted by B767

Long Key......Tequila it is!!!! You can stop by for a pit stop on the way down. Let me know. Be glad to show you round. Stay tune. ......BTW You want to fill in the keys, they'll deliver GAS for 3.05 Today's price.....Last week? 2.95........

Your a bus driver and you own a hatteras that's pretty funny. I guess I'm in the wrong business there huh captain.

[B767]

Originally Posted by Bluefin Runner

Your a bus driver and you own a hatteras that's pretty funny. I guess I'm in the wrong business there huh captain.

..Ain't funny how life is? For the looks of it, you r doing well. Enjoy your good ride mate. May wonderful days of fishing be in your future.......And if you ever pass by on the way to Mexico, give me a call.....Hope I still have some Tequila left..... BTW I'll take your comment as a respectful one of course!!!

[pinder1]

Gas in Nassau rarely goes over $4.75
Goverment gets about $1.25 or so
Guy than runs/rents the station gets .33 cents
Local Esso/Shell/Texaco office gets .44 cents which is owned esso shell etc
Also i know for sure that Esso (ON the Run) owns the buildings that sell the gas and charges the guys crazy rents , he has to sell coffee , groceries ,ice water etc to make profits. As soon as they fuel company sees you gaining margins or profits on other items in the station they bump the rents up. For the fuel to get to the islands Bimini, Berrys , Exuma, funny thing is it has to be pumped into a smaller barge style boat that is owned by guess who? all this amounts to big companies are flexing as they can because we are all spoilled , and refuse to make sacrifices. Someone will now, spin this and say that the Bahamain goverment should give up thier piece of the $4.75 but our tax system is based on import duties, that build our roads , schools , etc. They canot give it up, its structured in my opinion to tax the rich , if you can afford to run a V8 SUV you pay $110 to fill up , if you drive a toyota corrolla you pay $45. Goes back to the Dr. you pay for what you get. I know the feeling guys i drive an F150 V8 / My wife a Expedition and my fuel bill monthly for my cars is $500 plus not to mention at least 2 trips a month at $250 each in my boat to run from Nassau to Exuma for the day .