Daytime Swordin'

nestor · 08-23-2007, 10:11 AM

Ok, I've read the available snippets on daytime swordin'. Man, I wish folks would just come clean with the riggin' and method, but know how tight lipped folks can be. No problem.

I plan on spending a couple of days next month doing nothing but day swording out of PE.

I've read of the brick & break-away approach (interested in starting depths for day time, tides, etc) letting the bait drift up on its own from depth (squid vs. livie runner/speedo). I've also read of dropping to the bottom (1200') or so (again interested in bait choice) and letting the fish snap the break away. (interested in thoughts and rig technique on this).

As it's hard to get input from folks that have done it successfully (secret handshakes and stuff like that), I figured I'd take some guesses from folks that may not have done it but have some ideas and/or done it and found some things that didn't work. Nonetheless, I'll post what I no doubt learn along the way.

If you've got some spots (from triple humps to Hollywood) you think will be better for a shot during the day, let me know too. I've got some full days to use and don't mind drifting awhile.

Nes....

RiskTaker · 08-23-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nestor

Ok, I've read the available snippets on daytime swordin'. Man, I wish folks would just come clean with the riggin' and method, but know how tight lipped folks can be. No problem.

Nes, No Problem Mon !

Come to the next Swordfishing Club meeting (tentatively in September) and we'll tell you how it is done, by some of the guys that are actually doing it with success.

Maybe, but you will have to know the secret club handshake.

Or you can just pay at the door and have a cold one.

and buy one for a buddy while you're at it.

Part of the secret is already out. Watch the movie and check out the forum thread and you may get some of it:

Daytime Swords - Rob Arrington of Reel Adventures/Global Fish Mounts/RJ Boyle Studios

Reeladventures.tv Swordfish! The Gladiator of the "Day".

Hint #1 - Electric reels could make life a bit easier, but not required.

Hint #2 - .... Oh no I can't tell you any more, or else you know what I would have to do to you. That would be too much too fast.

The meeting starts at 7 p.m. Stay tuned on this Forum for the comfirmed schedule and time. Skip Smith usually does the meeting announcement about a week in advance by e-mail to the members and someone usually posts it up on this forum.

But think about this in the meantime and let me know what you come up with:

Say you want to send down the rig quickly. The deep drop convention with the weight on the bottom works good. But now do you discard the weight or do you take it back up with you? Technically, you are not supposed to be dumping things on the bottom. But if New York City can do it, I suppose a little bit of rubble won't upset the applecart.

Or suppose you fish a rig in conventional swordfish style, a little heavier, perhaps. Now how would you get the rig down quickly enough such that you don't create a tangled clusterf....k

Figure out one or two of those solutions, find a honey hole and you should be getting tight on the sunny side.

But don't be expecting any handouts for the honeyholes, as they are just as valuable as good bottom fishing numbers. And those are appropriate details to keep in confidence.

And the worst thing that will happen to you, is that you will meet a group a great guys and some gals, some of whom, know a thing or two about fishing and like to talk. Ya Mon !

Disco Lady · 08-23-2007, 12:27 PM

Coño!!!!!!!!!!!

nestor · 08-23-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RiskTaker

Nes, No Problem Mon !

Come to the next Swordfishing Club meeting (tentatively in September) and we'll tell you how it is done, by some of the guys that are actually doing it with success.

Maybe, but you will have to know the secret club handshake.

Or you can just pay at the door and have a cold one.

and buy one for a buddy while you're at it.

Part of the secret is already out. Watch the movie and check out the forum thread and you may get some of it:

Daytime Swords - Rob Arrington of Reel Adventures/Global Fish Mounts/RJ Boyle Studios

Reeladventures.tv Swordfish! The Gladiator of the "Day".

Hint #1 - Electric reels could make life a bit easier, but not required.

Hint #2 - .... Oh no I can't tell you any more, or else you know what I would have to do to you. That would be too much too fast.

The meeting starts at 7 p.m. Stay tuned on this Forum for the comfirmed schedule and time. Skip Smith usually does the meeting announcement about a week in advance by e-mail to the members and someone usually posts it up on this forum.

But think about this in the meantime and let me know what you come up with:

Say you want to send down the rig quickly. The deep drop convention with the weight on the bottom works good. But now do you discard the weight or do you take it back up with you? Technically, you are not supposed to be dumping things on the bottom. But if New York City can do it, I suppose a little bit of rubble won't upset the applecart.

Or suppose you fish a rig in conventional swordfish style, a little heavier, perhaps. Now how would you get the rig down quickly enough such that you don't create a tangled clusterf....k

Figure out one or two of those solutions, find a honey hole and you should be getting tight on the sunny side.

But don't be expecting any handouts for the honeyholes, as they are just as valuable as good bottom fishing numbers. And those are appropriate details to keep in confidence.

And the worst thing that will happen to you, is that you will meet a group a great guys and some gals, some of whom, know a thing or two about fishing and like to talk. Ya Mon !

Thanks, I'll be on the lookout for the meeting info. As for the break-away tangle, I've heard attaching the weight leader by rubberband to the hook. this keeps it from tangling on a fast decent and can be popped easily at depth. I'm ok for spots I think, but never hurts to ask.

CYA soon,

nes...

Disco Lady · 08-23-2007, 12:37 PM

Coño!!!!! Nestor wish i could help.

Best of Luck! Bro hope you nail one.

PURPLE FEVER · 08-23-2007, 01:44 PM

RT What makes you think that the method is going to be revealed?:

There are certainly some clues but no one is coming out with straight answers! This is more top secret than the recipe to Bushs baked beans.

nestor · 08-23-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PURPLE FEVER

RT What makes you think that the method is going to be revealed?:

There are certainly some clues but no one is coming out with straight answers! This is more top secret than the recipe to Bushs baked beans.

Well, I'm a bean spiller and will pass along whatever I can figure out. I'm of the 'more the merrier ' clan.

nes...

Mike · 08-23-2007, 02:29 PM

I'll be interested to hear your reports.. good luck

RiskTaker · 08-23-2007, 02:53 PM

Burt, did you make it to the previous to last swordfish club meeting? Sure, everybody likes to hold some things back and yes this is a new and trendy fishery, so all tactics may not be widely disclosed for a while, or at least not until Korea has gone nuclear. In the meantime, we still want to learn about these advanced "catfishing" techniques, save the bobbers matey.

Recall, one of the table topics was "Swordfishing in the daytime" . Skip Smith opened the topic. Subsequently Bouncer Smith went up to the mic or at least spoke loud enough about the technique that he uses and a few other guys openly talked about how they were doing it as well, successes and failures. Some good points were exchanged but nobody discussed any exact x-y-z locations which is believed to be a part of the equation for success. I don't think that KevinM made it to that meeting but he has also openly shared some valuable insights, perhaps some things not openly too. But as you know he fishes the Marathon area more so, than many of us. So if someone in our midst is in the "know" of the keyes techniques, hmmm? But there could be some "special" tricks used down there that we don't know about too. But that is OK too. As long as you have the basics, at least you are enabled to catch fish on the sunnyside, though you might not make it to the top of a leader board.

So, unless they/we are still holding back some very important information and still keeping some data "top secret" then it was an open discussion topic at a Swordfish Club meeting. And if so, I do not see any reason why it might not be further discussed at future meetings as well. Especially now, right after that video was just made. I don't see any practical way that the subject matter won't be discussed at the next meeting. I don't make the agendas, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure what the trendy swordfishing topics will be.

Besides, for as long as the Welcome mat stays open for new membership at the Swordfishing club, we should be providing interesting clubs meetings for new members and quality exchanges for all of those decent anglers that have a sincere interest in swordfishing, whether it be solely on the darkside or for those that don't mind the heat of the daytime either. Well, the welcome mat is besides the point anyway. Healthy and effective fishing clubs require robust and quality membership to stay that way, so we may as well offer a little bit of excitement to m motivate interested guests/anglers to visit. But we just have interesting meetings anyways, as you already know by now.

Hey are you doing any daytime swordfishing? If you extend an invite, day or night, I may take you up on it: have references with travel, just no planing hull vessel. If not that is OK too.

But the funniest part of it all, is that it is so easy to catch swordfish at night: just imagine, they come to you. All you have to do is slip them a squid or a fish and they're comin' over for dinner.

But we are always just trying to figure it all out.

And that's OK too. That's why Mike G. made this forum anyway. And some good fishing clubs help alot too.

Nestor: you're not allowed to spill all the beans, or we'll have to keel haul you matey.

rambo_fish · 08-23-2007, 02:59 PM

Ronnie Shatman (spelling?) once told me his secret to fishing and it has proven itself over and over all over the world for everything I can think of....

DA, keep it simple stupid.

Everybody that has not caught one during the day but wants to already knows the fundamentals.

a) they are there to be caught (most important)
b) other people are doing it, so can you.
c) Go fishing... if it takes you 5 trips to catch one, GREAT!

you earned it! Try the bottom, try the middle, keep an eye out on top. But keep at it and when you hook up and see its a sword you will then say "Holy Crap, Look at that" and you will have figured it out.

d) watch Reel Adventures on Fox this sunday Morning at 7 am and you will get a first hand observation.

Please take no offense to this reply. It is just my approach to life and thought I would pass it along.

RiskTaker · 08-23-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rambo_fish

Ronnie Shatman (spelling?) once told me his secret to fishing and it has proven itself over and over all over the world for everything I can think of.... DA, keep it simple stupid. :

Spell check, you mean? Capt. Ron Schatman - The master innovator of the high speed trolling technique. Yeah, he has come to the Swordfishing club too and spilled the beans on his skills on the high speed trolling techniques for Wahoo. Good stuff! But so far we have only put 5 Wahoo in the boat, in one day. Maybe he was holding something back?

Robert, you are right on, no offense taken at all. But it never hurts to be able to dial in your A game, sooner than later. And if you network and exchange ideas, then reinforce it, by the "doing" part of it, we become better anglers.

Yep, I think you are right, the formula is pretty simple.

Certifiable · 08-23-2007, 03:47 PM

Rambo- right on brotha'...we call that trail blazin'. We all know the concept, we just need to work out the details for the best results. Some coaching from more experienced daytimers will help us narrow the scope of our experiments. We can all post what we have tried, succesful or not, so we can ALL move along the learning curve a bit faster.

RT - I would sure like to get an invite to the secret sword club meeting. It is a long drive for me out of Vero, but I think we could round up 3 or 4 Vero/ Ft.Pierce guys for the trip down South for the meeting. Could be a valuable addition to your group where you can keep up to speed on the swordfishing in our area.
Let me know if I need to bring my Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to get in the door.

rambo_fish · 08-23-2007, 04:47 PM

guys I wasn't saying that shooting the breeze on this forum is in any way bad or discrediting to any accomplishments. If i was having a bad run or wanted to know something I wouldn't hesitate to ask on a thread.

Because I have fished with guys during the day and don't want to come right =out and tell ya exactly what we did, I just said "think: Keep it simple"

This ain't freakin' rocket science. To tell you the truth the very first time I did it I was tight in 15 minutes....

You guys rock and I respect all the feed back.

RiskTaker · 08-23-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Certifiable

.... RT - I would sure like to get an invite to the secret sword club meeting. ....

Arrgh, I knew that type of advertising might muster up a few potential "pledges" into the fraternity of Swordfishing by swordfishermen.

You actually do not need "your Orphan Annie Ring" ring or need to know the secret handshake, nor is it a secret meeting. Guests that are neither scallywags nor wankers are typically on the invitation agenda but sometimes guests are not advised due to a special agenda. However, as of late invited guests are encouraged for most every meeting. But you will still have to surrender a little bit of bootie at the door: Captain's rules to keep the treasure chest from going empty. But the Captain spends it right back on the crew and other worthwhile deeds. But you can also splash a little more bootie for some raffle tickets for a chance to win some nice loot for the Pirate's chest, I mean tackle box. The last time a nice Thunnus 16000 was the grand bootie prize. I was drooling for that one because I already wanted that exact same reel. But this pirate wasn't so lucky on that one. I keep winning the Wind-on leaders and cyalumes, all of which are put to good use.

I'll advise about a week ahead of time after the agenda/meeting notice comes out. Perhaps we can sit down and have a couple of Rum & Gingers matey. I need to hear some good tuna stories too. Maybe you even have a chance to tell a tale or two to the crew.

Certifiably, a good time to be had, even if you have to drive for 90 minutes each way, just don't get too loaded up on the boat drinks for your return voyage. Usually, they are time well spent and you can even eat dinner in, if you like. It's a great group of people already and hopefully it will be even better with a few new faces, those that love to fish for swordfish, and tuna and wahoo and yelloweyes, etc. .......

Swordgeek · 08-23-2007, 09:16 PM

Nestor...I guarantee Bob Boyle will show you exactly what you need to go get these suckers. Give him a shout at 954.420.5001 or swing by his shop. You won't be disappointed.

Daytripper · 08-23-2007, 09:43 PM

We landed a swordy around 170lbs today in the keys. Fish was hooked around 3:00 and landed around 4:30. We got the bite while the bait was going down and was close to the bottom. Very simple to do, no secret. Just take your normal nightime rig that everyone that swordfishes with and then tie small amount of 10lb test to the hook of your squid and tie the other end to something that is about 12lbs or larger. Take the rig and toss it out and let it fly to the bottom of the ocean and then lock it up. For some strange reason when I lock it up my weight seems to break off, and my squid slowly floats along and gets eating by a swordy. Very simple and you will catch one. Yes I got power assist reels, Diawa 3000 to be exact and we only use the power when bringing up the line. To fight the fish we place the client into a harness and let them crank their little hart out to catch the fish.

Nick C · 08-23-2007, 09:45 PM

hahahahaha... crank their little hearts out! Cono!

Disco Lady · 08-23-2007, 10:12 PM

Daytripper,

CONO!!!!!!!!

nestor · 08-24-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Daytripper

08-23-2007, 10:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
nestor Lines In Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Boat: Contender SC 35' Posts: 40	Daytime Swordin' Ok, I've read the available snippets on daytime swordin'. Man, I wish folks would just come clean with the riggin' and method, but know how tight lipped folks can be. No problem. I plan on spending a couple of days next month doing nothing but day swording out of PE. I've read of the brick & break-away approach (interested in starting depths for day time, tides, etc) letting the bait drift up on its own from depth (squid vs. livie runner/speedo). I've also read of dropping to the bottom (1200') or so (again interested in bait choice) and letting the fish snap the break away. (interested in thoughts and rig technique on this). As it's hard to get input from folks that have done it successfully (secret handshakes and stuff like that), I figured I'd take some guesses from folks that may not have done it but have some ideas and/or done it and found some things that didn't work. Nonetheless, I'll post what I no doubt learn along the way. If you've got some spots (from triple humps to Hollywood) you think will be better for a shot during the day, let me know too. I've got some full days to use and don't mind drifting awhile. Nes....

08-23-2007, 02:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mike Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Boat: Coming Soon! Best Catch: 250lb Swordfish Posts: 1,322	I'll be interested to hear your reports.. good luck __________________ Fishing Reports

08-23-2007, 02:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Had one once, then it took the boat away Posts: 1,961	Did you make it to the previous to last Swordfish club meeting? Burt, did you make it to the previous to last swordfish club meeting? Sure, everybody likes to hold some things back and yes this is a new and trendy fishery, so all tactics may not be widely disclosed for a while, or at least not until Korea has gone nuclear. In the meantime, we still want to learn about these advanced "catfishing" techniques, save the bobbers matey. Recall, one of the table topics was "Swordfishing in the daytime" . Skip Smith opened the topic. Subsequently Bouncer Smith went up to the mic or at least spoke loud enough about the technique that he uses and a few other guys openly talked about how they were doing it as well, successes and failures. Some good points were exchanged but nobody discussed any exact x-y-z locations which is believed to be a part of the equation for success. I don't think that KevinM made it to that meeting but he has also openly shared some valuable insights, perhaps some things not openly too. But as you know he fishes the Marathon area more so, than many of us. So if someone in our midst is in the "know" of the keyes techniques, hmmm? But there could be some "special" tricks used down there that we don't know about too. But that is OK too. As long as you have the basics, at least you are enabled to catch fish on the sunnyside, though you might not make it to the top of a leader board. So, unless they/we are still holding back some very important information and still keeping some data "top secret" then it was an open discussion topic at a Swordfish Club meeting. And if so, I do not see any reason why it might not be further discussed at future meetings as well. Especially now, right after that video was just made. I don't see any practical way that the subject matter won't be discussed at the next meeting. I don't make the agendas, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure what the trendy swordfishing topics will be. Besides, for as long as the Welcome mat stays open for new membership at the Swordfishing club, we should be providing interesting clubs meetings for new members and quality exchanges for all of those decent anglers that have a sincere interest in swordfishing, whether it be solely on the darkside or for those that don't mind the heat of the daytime either. Well, the welcome mat is besides the point anyway. Healthy and effective fishing clubs require robust and quality membership to stay that way, so we may as well offer a little bit of excitement to m motivate interested guests/anglers to visit. But we just have interesting meetings anyways, as you already know by now. Hey are you doing any daytime swordfishing? If you extend an invite, day or night, I may take you up on it: have references with travel, just no planing hull vessel. If not that is OK too. But the funniest part of it all, is that it is so easy to catch swordfish at night: just imagine, they come to you. All you have to do is slip them a squid or a fish and they're comin' over for dinner. But we are always just trying to figure it all out. And that's OK too. That's why Mike G. made this forum anyway. And some good fishing clubs help alot too. Nestor: you're not allowed to spill all the beans, or we'll have to keel haul you matey.

08-23-2007, 03:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Certifiable Hooked Up Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vero Beach Boat: 36' Contender Best Catch: 200# Blue Marlin/1200#Black Marlin Occupation: Engineer Posts: 305	Rambo- right on brotha'...we call that trail blazin'. We all know the concept, we just need to work out the details for the best results. Some coaching from more experienced daytimers will help us narrow the scope of our experiments. We can all post what we have tried, succesful or not, so we can ALL move along the learning curve a bit faster. RT - I would sure like to get an invite to the secret sword club meeting. It is a long drive for me out of Vero, but I think we could round up 3 or 4 Vero/ Ft.Pierce guys for the trip down South for the meeting. Could be a valuable addition to your group where you can keep up to speed on the swordfishing in our area. Let me know if I need to bring my Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to get in the door. __________________ To learn more about World history, listen to Iron Maiden

08-23-2007, 09:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,110	hahahahaha... crank their little hearts out! Cono! __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

08-23-2007, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,873	Coño!!!!!!!!!!!

08-23-2007, 12:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,873	Coño!!!!! Nestor wish i could help. Best of Luck! Bro hope you nail one.

08-23-2007, 01:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
PURPLE FEVER Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: pompano beach,fla. Posts: 371	RT What makes you think that the method is going to be revealed?: There are certainly some clues but no one is coming out with straight answers! This is more top secret than the recipe to Bushs baked beans.

08-23-2007, 02:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
rambo_fish Lines In Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jupiter, Fl Boat: 56 Ocean "Reel Justice" Best Catch: 700lb Blue(50# Gear) 274lb Sword (30# gear) Occupation: show Host/Boat Captain/underwater videographer Posts: 13	Ronnie Shatman (spelling?) once told me his secret to fishing and it has proven itself over and over all over the world for everything I can think of.... DA, keep it simple stupid. Everybody that has not caught one during the day but wants to already knows the fundamentals. a) they are there to be caught (most important) b) other people are doing it, so can you. c) Go fishing... if it takes you 5 trips to catch one, GREAT! you earned it! Try the bottom, try the middle, keep an eye out on top. But keep at it and when you hook up and see its a sword you will then say "Holy Crap, Look at that" and you will have figured it out. d) watch Reel Adventures on Fox this sunday Morning at 7 am and you will get a first hand observation. Please take no offense to this reply. It is just my approach to life and thought I would pass it along.

08-23-2007, 04:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
rambo_fish Lines In Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jupiter, Fl Boat: 56 Ocean "Reel Justice" Best Catch: 700lb Blue(50# Gear) 274lb Sword (30# gear) Occupation: show Host/Boat Captain/underwater videographer Posts: 13	guys I wasn't saying that shooting the breeze on this forum is in any way bad or discrediting to any accomplishments. If i was having a bad run or wanted to know something I wouldn't hesitate to ask on a thread. Because I have fished with guys during the day and don't want to come right =out and tell ya exactly what we did, I just said "think: Keep it simple" This ain't freakin' rocket science. To tell you the truth the very first time I did it I was tight in 15 minutes.... You guys rock and I respect all the feed back.

08-23-2007, 09:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Swordgeek Lines In Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 13	Nestor...I guarantee Bob Boyle will show you exactly what you need to go get these suckers. Give him a shout at 954.420.5001 or swing by his shop. You won't be disappointed.

08-23-2007, 09:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
Daytripper Lines In Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Marathon Fl Occupation: Charter boat Capt Posts: 49	We landed a swordy around 170lbs today in the keys. Fish was hooked around 3:00 and landed around 4:30. We got the bite while the bait was going down and was close to the bottom. Very simple to do, no secret. Just take your normal nightime rig that everyone that swordfishes with and then tie small amount of 10lb test to the hook of your squid and tie the other end to something that is about 12lbs or larger. Take the rig and toss it out and let it fly to the bottom of the ocean and then lock it up. For some strange reason when I lock it up my weight seems to break off, and my squid slowly floats along and gets eating by a swordy. Very simple and you will catch one. Yes I got power assist reels, Diawa 3000 to be exact and we only use the power when bringing up the line. To fight the fish we place the client into a harness and let them crank their little hart out to catch the fish.

08-23-2007, 10:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,873	Daytripper, CONO!!!!!!!!