Midnight Knot (Braid to Mono Connection)

[Max'd Out]

I had one of my reels respooled at a local tackle shop and I was told they used a Midnight Knot to connect the braid backing to the 80 lb.mono top shot. The knot is a work of art, very tightly made and extremely strong. When I google it, I just find a 3 year onld article on a forum trying to explain how to make this knot, but it is not very clear. Does anyone know how to make this knot?

[jonnythrottle]

one of my friends do i can ask him how to do it then get back to you ??

[RiskTaker]

Maxed Out:

I am not familiar with a knot by this name. But Here is a link that you can find a few posts about the WORM knot: Best knot for spectra to mono/flouro - Bloodydecks.com

It may not be any clearer than what you already know, but it is a recommended alternative if not the same knot, under a different alias. (I have not used it myself because, I splice.)

Are you using hollow core as your baseline or solid core specctra?

If you are using hollow core you can perform a permanent splice, mono inside the hollow core, serve and glue. (That is my number 1 connection.)

If it is more temporary, use a loop to loop connection: a spliced loop for the specctra and a wind-on connection loop on your 80# monofilament, these two double lines looped together, 3 loops will do best.

Of course, it never hurts to have a knot solution in your back pocket, but they are always weaker than the Chinese finger cuff splice, which is the permanent splice listed about. Uni to Uni is another favorable knot for the mono to specctra interconnect knot.

P.S. - Some people claim that a Bimini tied in Specctra is not 100%, whereas it is highly acclaimed as the best knot ~100% tied in Monofilament.

[Captain Juan]

While not often talked about or used, I have been tying and using Vic Dunaway's uni-knot for the last 30 years with great success connecting line to double line, line to leader, line to line and leader to hook/lure, basically all applications. I have used it both on mono and braid. I have never had knot failure and I trust it big time. I can tie it quickly, in rough sea conditions, in the dark, and when done right they work awesome. The only other knots I occassionally use are the Bimini and Bristol.

At the end of the day, the best knot is the one you know best.

Good luck and tight lines.

J

[quack quack]

Best all purpose knot ever.

[Max'd Out]

The issue with the Uni-Knot is the diameter when made with 80 lb.test line. The Midnight knot is almost the same diameter as the 80 lb test mono. It just wraps around it very tight and it also goes through the guides very easily.

[justin ennis]

I always use the pr knot when I am jigging connecting my braided line to my leader and I have never had or heard about this knot breaking.

[Max'd Out]

Originally Posted by justin ennis

I always use the pr knot when I am jigging connecting my braided line to my leader and I have never had or heard about this knot breaking.

It looks like the pr knot is the same as the midnight knot. Do you use the tool shown on the website to make it?

[Captain Juan]

Yeah, the Uni-knot is obviously bigger than the diameter of the line itself (I'd also argue that most knots are) but it passes through all my guides with ease on my spinning, baitcasting and trolling rods. I make sure I pull all the lines super tight and since the uni does not slip, I cut off the tags ends right at the knot. I usually do five turns on the mono side and six on the braid.

Funny enough when you go to the link that RT provided for another Forum a chitload of people on the west coast use the uni-knot and swear by it.

Again, the best knots are the ones you know best and the ones that are the simplest. I stay away from knots that require tools or a nail or any other device. Also, while I occassioanlly use the Bimini, I tie these at home or at the dock. I don't want to be wrapping lines around my knees and staring at twists in rough seas.

Good luck. I'd love to see a diagram of the midnight/PR knot. Also, check out recent issues of Sportsfishing and Saltwater Sportsman where many knots for braid were shown and tested. Oddly, I don't recall seeing the uni in these issues, but trust me, all around, uni-knot is the best and easy as chit.

J

[bajakian]

Originally Posted by Captain Juan

Yeah, the Uni-knot is obviously bigger than the diameter of the line itself (I'd also argue that most knots are) but it passes through all my guides with ease on my spinning, baitcasting and trolling rods. I make sure I pull all the lines super tight and since the uni does not slip, I cut off the tags ends right at the knot. I usually do five turns on the mono side and six on the braid.

Funny enough when you go to the link that RT provided for another Forum a chitload of people on the west coast use the uni-knot and swear by it.

Again, the best knots are the ones you know best and the ones that are the simplest. I stay away from knots that require tools or a nail or any other device. Also, while I occassioanlly use the Bimini, I tie these at home or at the dock. I don't want to be wrapping lines around my knees and staring at twists in rough seas.

Good luck. I'd love to see a diagram of the midnight/PR knot. Also, check out recent issues of Sportsfishing and Saltwater Sportsman where many knots for braid were shown and tested. Oddly, I don't recall seeing the uni in these issues, but trust me, all around, uni-knot is the best and easy as chit.

J

I agree with Capt Juan- The uni to uni is a very reliable combination. Ive always made some double line with the braid before I tie it. I use a spider hitch to make the double line on the braid and make six wraps with the braid on the Uni knot. I have never had one fail.

If you check the fishing literature, there is an article on this subject that compares all the knots and their breaking strength for mono braid connections. They recommend a Yucatan knot which is a variant of an Albright and also easy to tie.

[Max'd Out]

This is a link to an illustration showing how to make a Midnight knot. The trick is to wrap it very tight on your way back down the first wrap. InterMedia Outdoors Forums: Midnight Knot / step by step / leader to line
Here is another link:

Midknot - Midnight Knot or whatever is named - Forum de Caranx.net

I've tried it using a makeshift tool, and it comes out very strong.

[justin ennis]

It looks like the pr knot is the same as the midnight knot. Do you use the tool shown on the website to make it?

yeah, except I use my bobbin that I use for fly tying, here are the instructionsAngler's Pro Shop

[Max'd Out]

justin, can't use the link you posted. Seems to be an issue.

[Certifiable]

My rods have the smaller roller tip guides which tend to hang up with the larger knots. I have found that when I use 100# mono line and tie on a similar size top shot, the knot gets very large and I have chaffing problems going through the tip guide.
I have changed to 100# spectra line with a 100# mono top shot, and use an albright knot to minimize the knot size. The mono is used to create the loop, and the spectra is wound around the mono.

Think about it, if you use the uni knot, you will create 1 center strand of 100#, and wrap around the center strand with the equivalent of 2 more thicknesses of the 100# mono, resulting in a 3 ply knot of 100#. An albright knot will use 2 plys of 100# for the loop, and the spectra wrap adds nothing to the knot because the spectra wrap actually will cinch the knot tighter at the wrap and reduce the size of the loop. I like to give this knot a good 10 to 15 wraps to get a good bite on the mono loop to eliminate the possibility of the spectra cutting through the mono. This knot is incredibly strong and compact, and passes through the guide like a dream.
I use the albright knot any time I have 2 different size line diameters.
Otherwise, the uni knot or blood knot is my favorite for going line to line of same size diameters.

[bajakian]

Originally Posted by Certifiable

My rods have the smaller roller tip guides which tend to hang up with the larger knots. I have found that when I use 100# mono line and tie on a similar size top shot, the knot gets very large and I have chaffing problems going through the tip guide.
I have changed to 100# spectra line with a 100# mono top shot, and use an albright knot to minimize the knot size. The mono is used to create the loop, and the spectra is wound around the mono.

Think about it, if you use the uni knot, you will create 1 center strand of 100#, and wrap around the center strand with the equivalent of 2 more thicknesses of the 100# mono, resulting in a 3 ply knot of 100#. An albright knot will use 2 plys of 100# for the loop, and the spectra wrap adds nothing to the knot because the spectra wrap actually will cinch the knot tighter at the wrap and reduce the size of the loop. I like to give this knot a good 10 to 15 wraps to get a good bite on the mono loop to eliminate the possibility of the spectra cutting through the mono. This knot is incredibly strong and compact, and passes through the guide like a dream.
I use the albright knot any time I have 2 different size line diameters.
Otherwise, the uni knot or blood knot is my favorite for going line to line of same size diameters.

I have the same problem with smaller roller guides. For my wahoo rods, I use 100 lb Momoi and two uni knots and the knots slide thru the guides snugly.

My swordfishing solution is to use 50 lb and 80 lb Momoi Diamond which breaks at 6o plus and 102 lbs respectively but have a smaller diameter. I am going to change to JB hollow core braid and do the chinese finger splice to avoid bulky connectioning knots. The Yucatan knot is similar in concept to the Albright and supposedly holds better with braid.

[justin ennis]

Max'd out, try going to angler-proshop.com then to line and leaders then braid/PE line and click on the PR Knot Tying Bobbin and there will be some instructions or click on the Shout! PR Knot Bobbin and there would be a video on how to tye it.