Here's another reason why we don't want PLL's in the closed zone!

Ron.38 Special · 08-02-2007, 08:57 AM

Check out this pic, obviously its not a swordy, but one of our threatened White Marlin.

When you get to the North end of our closed zone, or in the time area closure North of us, the greatest bycatch are these beautiful fish.

Remember they are a threatened species at best, and 99%+ are taken by longlines.

I'm sure the editor of National Fisherman isn't too happy about the mistake in posting this pic in the September issue, and the misidentification.

"Get the grill ready boy's, we're eating marlin steaks tonight!"

jonnythrottle · 08-02-2007, 09:07 AM

thats so messed up

catching · 08-02-2007, 09:13 AM

I thought they just cut the line, or used some type of de-hooking device when they saw there was a marlin on the line and never took them out of the water, Oh wait a minute it was only hauled out for a quick picture and released

Broadbill-Pro · 08-02-2007, 09:28 AM

All Right enough of your BS!

First of all the picture shows no indication that the fish was not released, second the fish is clearly alive judging by the color and the eye is in a downward position indicating the fish has motor skills, third no hook is present and the fish has not been brought aboard to our knowledge as it is in a position to be released.

YOUR threatened White Marlin are TARGETED by recreational fisherman, even though they are being considered on the endangered species list. Marlin tournament Officals and particapants opposed a regulation that would have sacrificed 300-400 White Marlin (according to Dr. John Graves) mortalities by imposing a mandatory circle hook rule. Where is your outcry for that?

For someone who have NEVER fished the North End of the closed area you seem to be an expert, when in fact White Marlin are scarce in the proposed area of the EFP. The White Marlin makes it's summer migration to the area from Hatteras NC to the Outer reaches of Georges Bank. Though White Marlin can be caught in the area of Northern Florida, I have yet to hear of a Jacksonville or Charleston White Marlin Open being proposed.

Why not make it 99.9%, if your going to try and bullshit everyone then go for it all.

The Fisherman in that picture has been handling billfish for nearly 30 years, he is more qualified to release that fish alive in his sleep than you are on your best day. In regard to the Magazine, just goes to show how inaccurate a journalist with little sea time can be (I believe that shoe also fits you).

CAPTAIN YO · 08-02-2007, 09:38 AM

Lighten up Francis...

OFFDUTYpushbutton · 08-02-2007, 12:55 PM

The name is psycho...If you ever call me Francis, I'll kill ya'....If you ever touch my stuff, I'll kill ya'....If you ever touch me, I'll kill ya'

That movie rules!

quack quack · 08-02-2007, 01:12 PM

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Ron.38 Special · 08-02-2007, 02:19 PM

Vinnie,

Just because you say BS does not mean its BS, OK?

How about you tell us the percentage of white marlin killed by PLL vs rod and reel, and we will go with your number.

The North end of the FEC is the South end of the time area closure and certainly IS part of the EFP that we stopped.

Yes I said the EFP that we stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next time you have a good night on the 50 line, you might think about thanking those of us that fought this thing to the end it deserved!!

Oh of course when you don't have a good night, its probably because Ron Coddington made the US loose their quota, Ha Ha!!

And by the way, by definition, that marlin was a take. The fish has been boated and should never have been removed from the water if it wasn't to be killed. And befor you say it, I know recs make th same mistake.

And yes it probably was still alive in the pic, but ??you think it made it to the grill??

Just kidding, but I sure will get my money's worth out of this picture.

And, another thing,

Both Skip and I have voiced our opinion on many occasions about the circle hook deal and you know that I went on the record in DC as opposing any delay in implementing the cirlce hook rule. But this is politics man and you know how that goes.

Get ready for the next battle because I'm sure Bluewater will have a new EFP application in the works by the end of the year.

The problem is, no EFP makes sense in a juvenile fish area until something is done about soak time and the mortality rate on juvenile sword which is greater than 50% with circle hook if the soak is over two hours!

How are the PLL's gonna get around that one, I tell you how, only buoy gear can be fished with the minimal soak time necessary to protect juvenile swords, and then only if they fish it like the best guys out here and with 10 or less buoys.

miamiangler1 · 08-02-2007, 05:59 PM

Like I said before Vinnie ... Commercial PLL`s = BAD ,,,that`s no BS!!!!! And the PIC proves it !!!!

Skip Smith · 08-03-2007, 09:02 AM

I bet Rick Ruiz's phone is ringing off the hook.

I had read on another website, that the Florida Fish & Wildlife says that if you hold up a Tarpon for a photo and they see it, you better have a "Tarpon Stamp" for it. They said the same for Sailfish. They use the word "Harvest" when you hold one up.

This same scenario may apply to the photos on this site of undersize Swordfish being held for photos and then posted. The next rumor will be that you have to call it in if held out of the water.

It seems like a lot of computer time to chase photos, names and then issue citations, but it may be profitable for them.

Nice job Ron.

Ivan11 · 08-03-2007, 01:14 PM

LOL, let the constant flames continues!

Disco Lady · 08-03-2007, 01:16 PM

Coño!!!!!!!!!!!

rollin · 08-03-2007, 02:43 PM

thanks for your perserverance Ron. alot of conservation minded fishing sportsmen (including myself) could learn alot about being proactive from you

BBP opinions towards you are ignorant, inflammitory and plain stupid

R

jonnythrottle · 08-03-2007, 03:00 PM

Broadbill-Pro · 08-03-2007, 03:03 PM

If you think that was inflammitory you should read what I wrote to the Editor of National Fisherman Magazine.

Plain and simple, Ron is a Lobbyist. He admits that he will soak as much out of any anti-commercial propaganda as possible. No doubt a very intelligent person, he has very little to no actual experience of what he writes.

The closest thing this forum has to the truth about what occurs on a PLL'er is what I write, like it or not. It was never said that PLL do not interact with marlin. Score 1 for Ron and it was given to him by the enemy. Think I will pick up a sport rag and see how many sailfish are smiling for the photos.

psully · 08-03-2007, 04:56 PM

Keep up the great work Ron!!!

dring · 08-03-2007, 05:47 PM

as soon as i saw the picture in national fisherman i new it would cause a shitstorm!!!!!!!

Broadbill-Pro · 08-03-2007, 09:43 PM

Ron don't stop short, you will end up with several noses up your ass

Flatsfish B · 08-03-2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Ron don't stop short, you will end up with several noses up your ass

Tunachaser · 08-04-2007, 10:32 AM

08-02-2007, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ron.38 Special Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 234	Here's another reason why we don't want PLL's in the closed zone! Check out this pic, obviously its not a swordy, but one of our threatened White Marlin. When you get to the North end of our closed zone, or in the time area closure North of us, the greatest bycatch are these beautiful fish. Remember they are a threatened species at best, and 99%+ are taken by longlines. I'm sure the editor of National Fisherman isn't too happy about the mistake in posting this pic in the September issue, and the misidentification. "Get the grill ready boy's, we're eating marlin steaks tonight!"

08-02-2007, 09:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,536	I thought they just cut the line, or used some type of de-hooking device when they saw there was a marlin on the line and never took them out of the water, Oh wait a minute it was only hauled out for a quick picture and released __________________ Better to be lucky than good

08-02-2007, 12:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
OFFDUTYpushbutton Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Davie Best Catch: 400lb. daytimer Occupation: S FLA Coors Light Quality Control Posts: 101	The name is psycho...If you ever call me Francis, I'll kill ya'....If you ever touch my stuff, I'll kill ya'....If you ever touch me, I'll kill ya' That movie rules! __________________ It's like fishing for bream. Just use squid instead of bread!

08-02-2007, 01:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,602	The MovieWavs Page - Stripes: blownup.wav __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

08-03-2007, 01:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ivan11 Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: miami fl Boat: dusky 21 =( Best Catch: #130lb sword (est), 80lb sailfish Occupation: firefighter/paramedic Posts: 337	LOL, let the constant flames continues! __________________ ive been consumed by the darkside! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=885 22296 for more pics =)

08-02-2007, 09:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
jonnythrottle Lines In Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: pompano beach Best Catch: swordfish 170 pounds Occupation: sophmore Posts: 88	thats so messed up

08-02-2007, 09:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,306	All Right enough of your BS! First of all the picture shows no indication that the fish was not released, second the fish is clearly alive judging by the color and the eye is in a downward position indicating the fish has motor skills, third no hook is present and the fish has not been brought aboard to our knowledge as it is in a position to be released. YOUR threatened White Marlin are TARGETED by recreational fisherman, even though they are being considered on the endangered species list. Marlin tournament Officals and particapants opposed a regulation that would have sacrificed 300-400 White Marlin (according to Dr. John Graves) mortalities by imposing a mandatory circle hook rule. Where is your outcry for that? For someone who have NEVER fished the North End of the closed area you seem to be an expert, when in fact White Marlin are scarce in the proposed area of the EFP. The White Marlin makes it's summer migration to the area from Hatteras NC to the Outer reaches of Georges Bank. Though White Marlin can be caught in the area of Northern Florida, I have yet to hear of a Jacksonville or Charleston White Marlin Open being proposed. Why not make it 99.9%, if your going to try and bullshit everyone then go for it all. The Fisherman in that picture has been handling billfish for nearly 30 years, he is more qualified to release that fish alive in his sleep than you are on your best day. In regard to the Magazine, just goes to show how inaccurate a journalist with little sea time can be (I believe that shoe also fits you).

08-02-2007, 09:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
CAPTAIN YO Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: INDIAN HARBOUR BEACH, FLORIDA Best Catch: 300 lb BLUE MARLIN ON 30 lb TACKLE Occupation: CIVIL ENGINEER Posts: 32	Lighten up Francis...

08-02-2007, 02:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ron.38 Special Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 234	Vinnie, Just because you say BS does not mean its BS, OK? How about you tell us the percentage of white marlin killed by PLL vs rod and reel, and we will go with your number. The North end of the FEC is the South end of the time area closure and certainly IS part of the EFP that we stopped. Yes I said the EFP that we stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time you have a good night on the 50 line, you might think about thanking those of us that fought this thing to the end it deserved!! Oh of course when you don't have a good night, its probably because Ron Coddington made the US loose their quota, Ha Ha!! And by the way, by definition, that marlin was a take. The fish has been boated and should never have been removed from the water if it wasn't to be killed. And befor you say it, I know recs make th same mistake. And yes it probably was still alive in the pic, but ??you think it made it to the grill?? Just kidding, but I sure will get my money's worth out of this picture. And, another thing, Both Skip and I have voiced our opinion on many occasions about the circle hook deal and you know that I went on the record in DC as opposing any delay in implementing the cirlce hook rule. But this is politics man and you know how that goes. Get ready for the next battle because I'm sure Bluewater will have a new EFP application in the works by the end of the year. The problem is, no EFP makes sense in a juvenile fish area until something is done about soak time and the mortality rate on juvenile sword which is greater than 50% with circle hook if the soak is over two hours! How are the PLL's gonna get around that one, I tell you how, only buoy gear can be fished with the minimal soak time necessary to protect juvenile swords, and then only if they fish it like the best guys out here and with 10 or less buoys.

08-02-2007, 05:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,553	Like I said before Vinnie ... Commercial PLL`s = BAD ,,,that`s no BS!!!!! And the PIC proves it !!!!

08-03-2007, 09:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Skip Smith Lines In Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pompano bch, Fl Posts: 99	I bet Rick Ruiz's phone is ringing off the hook. I had read on another website, that the Florida Fish & Wildlife says that if you hold up a Tarpon for a photo and they see it, you better have a "Tarpon Stamp" for it. They said the same for Sailfish. They use the word "Harvest" when you hold one up. This same scenario may apply to the photos on this site of undersize Swordfish being held for photos and then posted. The next rumor will be that you have to call it in if held out of the water. It seems like a lot of computer time to chase photos, names and then issue citations, but it may be profitable for them. Nice job Ron.

08-03-2007, 01:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,190	Coño!!!!!!!!!!!

08-03-2007, 02:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
rollin Hooked Up Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 258	thanks for your perserverance Ron. alot of conservation minded fishing sportsmen (including myself) could learn alot about being proactive from you BBP opinions towards you are ignorant, inflammitory and plain stupid R

08-03-2007, 03:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
jonnythrottle Lines In Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: pompano beach Best Catch: swordfish 170 pounds Occupation: sophmore Posts: 88

08-03-2007, 03:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,306	If you think that was inflammitory you should read what I wrote to the Editor of National Fisherman Magazine. Plain and simple, Ron is a Lobbyist. He admits that he will soak as much out of any anti-commercial propaganda as possible. No doubt a very intelligent person, he has very little to no actual experience of what he writes. The closest thing this forum has to the truth about what occurs on a PLL'er is what I write, like it or not. It was never said that PLL do not interact with marlin. Score 1 for Ron and it was given to him by the enemy. Think I will pick up a sport rag and see how many sailfish are smiling for the photos. Last edited by Broadbill-Pro : 08-03-2007 at 09:27 PM.

08-03-2007, 04:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
psully Lines In Join Date: Aug 2006 Boat: 31 Contender Best Catch: 84" Occupation: Contractor Posts: 26	Keep up the great work Ron!!!

08-03-2007, 05:47 PM	#17 (permalink)
dring Lines In Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 38	as soon as i saw the picture in national fisherman i new it would cause a shitstorm!!!!!!!

08-03-2007, 09:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,306	Ron don't stop short, you will end up with several noses up your ass

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