Swivels:Food for thought

CaptKen · 07-10-2007, 02:40 PM

Sun Am 7-8-07 Sunrise, The long bait gets railed, I pushed it to 25 lbs and he dumped more than 1/2 less than 3/4 off an 80, seems like a decent fish, 10 mins later hook pulls, O well thats fishin, then upon inspection of what happened I find this, no tangles, everything in a line. Now this is a 500lb short throw tuna snap that you need pliers to open and close dam near, another wards you need to be tough to open them.

OK what happened ?

I am now almost convinced to do it Teks way and crimp everytime without the use of a snap, I still like the convinece factor of a snap though.

No doubt if it had been the 5 hour 500 lber it would have failed.

Ok lets hear it, dont be scared, I gotta know
Ken

Tuna Devil · 07-10-2007, 02:46 PM

The leader wrapped around the top of the snap. The preasure pulled it down and bent it. When you pulled the hook the slack allowed it to come back off.

It could have happened to anyone, but I would prefer the hook pulling to breaking the snap.

Crimps take an extra minute but but it is worth it.

Sorry you lost the fish.

Poledancer · 07-10-2007, 02:47 PM

just crimp it

quack quack · 07-10-2007, 02:53 PM

What TD said.I am fishing the pin rigs for my squids now.The best thing is to change out a bait you do not need to re crimp.Squid rigged in 15 secs.

I have been timed even faster then that.

Sorry to hear about losing the fish

I think we here about one of these things happening about once a month.

Darkside · 07-10-2007, 04:05 PM

Get with the times Ken.

I've been timed at re-crimping a bait on in 9 secs Quack

. Its all in the prep but what do i know.

Nick C · 07-10-2007, 04:25 PM

i tell you i'm not a fan of pinner rig. Rig em and sew em and recrimp.

swordstalker · 07-10-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick C

i tell you i'm not a fan of pinner rig. Rig em and sew em and recrimp.

I'm with Nick

Nick C · 07-10-2007, 04:41 PM

Thanks Kati

Captain Ollie · 07-10-2007, 07:49 PM

Screw the swivel. Crimp with an Aussie.

BTW.....while were at it I sent Nick a PM on why he doesn't like the pin rig...curious as to why.
I've rigged baits every way imaginable and I think its got the best hookup ratio.
..........AS LONG AS YOU SEW THE HEAD ON..........

This may make or break the rig. I think if you rig and sew you have the added benefit of the hook helping hold the head on. With the pin rig you don't have this added security. I have a feeling that if Mr. Sword wacks the head off the squid on the first go round....it may cause the fish to lose interest.

Of course, keeping in mind that I may go through upwards of 30+ a night when the squids are bad, the whole sewing the squid to the hook is really not an option for me. I do try to sew the heads on because it only takes like 2 seconds.

Tuna Devil · 07-10-2007, 08:23 PM

[quote=Captain Ollie;57025]

I have a feeling that if Mr. Sword wacks the head off the squid on the first go round....it may cause the fish to lose interest.

QUOTE]

You would know Ollie.

And I have to agree.

That's why we check the baits every 20 minutes.

Nick does not like the pin rig because he is a complicated individual.

pelagic predator · 07-10-2007, 09:00 PM

I had a couple problems with snap swivels, now I crimp.

Flatsfish B · 07-11-2007, 02:32 AM

I love the pin rig, has worked great for me (thanks Ollie!) have went 5 for 5 with it on my best night ever. I crimp the rigs and pin rig, works for me. Thats why they have multiple flavors of ice cream. I don't think the end result is much different then they way some people rig. Unless you take the time and sew it up real good like Drew does. Even with the pin rig ripping the squid off can sometimes be hard.

I think they key to the pin rig is nice thick bodied squid. I won't pin rig with thin squid that don't hold together well. Tonight we had a bait out from 830 to 130 that never got hit, the head which wasnt sewed was still nice and high and tight.

Ollie, call me sometime, i still wanna get a forearm workout if you have a spot.

LIGHTINING STRYKER · 07-11-2007, 05:42 AM

ken are you sure this wasn"t one of cavemans 5 year old swivels? P.S. long bait or was this on the tip rod with shark attached?

quack quack · 07-11-2007, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick C

i tell you i'm not a fan of pinner rig. Rig em and sew em and recrimp.

And the same with Mark.

You guys dont like them because well I wont go there.

Tunachaser · 07-11-2007, 08:52 AM

I've been using zip ties instead of sewing the squids. Takes much less time and has been very effective. Just my .02

quack quack · 07-11-2007, 08:58 AM

I wonder who was the first guy to start useing zip ties.

Nick C · 07-11-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quack quack

I wonder who was the first guy to start useing zip ties.

I know I been using them for a while... and I know you didn't show me

snooknreds2 · 07-11-2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tunachaser

I've been using zip ties instead of sewing the squids. Takes much less time and has been very effective. Just my .02

Tunachaser · 07-11-2007, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quack quack

I wonder who was the first guy to start useing zip ties.

Everyone knows that QQ was the Father of all inventions

All hail the Mighty Quack Quack

Flatsfish B · 07-11-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick C

I know I been using them for a while... and I know you didn't show me

who did?

07-10-2007, 02:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
CaptKen Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunrise/Dania Fla. Occupation: Power Plant Control Room Operator Posts: 837	Swivels:Food for thought Sun Am 7-8-07 Sunrise, The long bait gets railed, I pushed it to 25 lbs and he dumped more than 1/2 less than 3/4 off an 80, seems like a decent fish, 10 mins later hook pulls, O well thats fishin, then upon inspection of what happened I find this, no tangles, everything in a line. Now this is a 500lb short throw tuna snap that you need pliers to open and close dam near, another wards you need to be tough to open them. OK what happened ? I am now almost convinced to do it Teks way and crimp everytime without the use of a snap, I still like the convinece factor of a snap though. No doubt if it had been the 5 hour 500 lber it would have failed. Ok lets hear it, dont be scared, I gotta know Ken __________________ http://home.comcast.net/~CaptKen1

07-10-2007, 02:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tuna Devil Grander Join Date: Nov 2005 Occupation: Pirate Posts: 1,833	The leader wrapped around the top of the snap. The preasure pulled it down and bent it. When you pulled the hook the slack allowed it to come back off. It could have happened to anyone, but I would prefer the hook pulling to breaking the snap. Crimps take an extra minute but but it is worth it. Sorry you lost the fish. __________________ What do you mean I'm not kind? I'm just not your kind.

07-10-2007, 02:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Poledancer Lines In Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Delray Beach Posts: 56	just crimp it __________________

07-10-2007, 02:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,452	What TD said.I am fishing the pin rigs for my squids now.The best thing is to change out a bait you do not need to re crimp.Squid rigged in 15 secs. I have been timed even faster then that. Sorry to hear about losing the fish I think we here about one of these things happening about once a month. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision. Last edited by quack quack : 07-10-2007 at 02:56 PM.

07-10-2007, 04:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Darkside Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 377	Get with the times Ken. I've been timed at re-crimping a bait on in 9 secs Quack. Its all in the prep but what do i know. __________________ SAVE THE DATES: Hydro Glow Summer Swordfish Slam - JUNE 21, 2008 Hydro Glow Winter Swordfest - DECEMBER 6, 2008

07-10-2007, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,110	i tell you i'm not a fan of pinner rig. Rig em and sew em and recrimp. __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

07-10-2007, 04:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,110	Thanks Kati __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

07-10-2007, 07:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 593	Screw the swivel. Crimp with an Aussie. BTW.....while were at it I sent Nick a PM on why he doesn't like the pin rig...curious as to why. I've rigged baits every way imaginable and I think its got the best hookup ratio. ..........AS LONG AS YOU SEW THE HEAD ON.......... This may make or break the rig. I think if you rig and sew you have the added benefit of the hook helping hold the head on. With the pin rig you don't have this added security. I have a feeling that if Mr. Sword wacks the head off the squid on the first go round....it may cause the fish to lose interest. Of course, keeping in mind that I may go through upwards of 30+ a night when the squids are bad, the whole sewing the squid to the hook is really not an option for me. I do try to sew the heads on because it only takes like 2 seconds. __________________ If stupidity were painful, the screaming would be deafening. Last edited by Captain Ollie : 07-10-2007 at 07:54 PM.

07-10-2007, 08:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tuna Devil Grander Join Date: Nov 2005 Occupation: Pirate Posts: 1,833	[quote=Captain Ollie;57025] I have a feeling that if Mr. Sword wacks the head off the squid on the first go round....it may cause the fish to lose interest. QUOTE] You would know Ollie. And I have to agree. That's why we check the baits every 20 minutes. Nick does not like the pin rig because he is a complicated individual. __________________ What do you mean I'm not kind? I'm just not your kind.

07-10-2007, 09:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
pelagic predator Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2007 Boat: contender 31 Best Catch: 60inch swordfish Occupation: Highschool (freshman) Posts: 268	I had a couple problems with snap swivels, now I crimp.

07-11-2007, 02:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
Flatsfish B Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boca Boat: 2300 Keywest Best Catch: 77'' pumpkin Occupation: Sales supervisor Posts: 684	I love the pin rig, has worked great for me (thanks Ollie!) have went 5 for 5 with it on my best night ever. I crimp the rigs and pin rig, works for me. Thats why they have multiple flavors of ice cream. I don't think the end result is much different then they way some people rig. Unless you take the time and sew it up real good like Drew does. Even with the pin rig ripping the squid off can sometimes be hard. I think they key to the pin rig is nice thick bodied squid. I won't pin rig with thin squid that don't hold together well. Tonight we had a bait out from 830 to 130 that never got hit, the head which wasnt sewed was still nice and high and tight. Ollie, call me sometime, i still wanna get a forearm workout if you have a spot. __________________

07-11-2007, 05:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
LIGHTINING STRYKER Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: HOLLYWOOD Occupation: self employed Posts: 142	ken are you sure this wasn"t one of cavemans 5 year old swivels? P.S. long bait or was this on the tip rod with shark attached? __________________ only armed men can be free

07-11-2007, 08:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
Tunachaser Hooked Up Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fishwhistle, FL Boat: Tub Works Custom Best Catch: 83" Sword Occupation: Arabian Goggle Provider Posts: 283	I've been using zip ties instead of sewing the squids. Takes much less time and has been very effective. Just my .02 __________________

07-11-2007, 08:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,452	I wonder who was the first guy to start useing zip ties. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.