Sat tag info they got it but not us

quack quack · 12-20-2006, 03:42 PM

I have not seen or heard anything about the sat tags that were deployed.A bunch of people have asked and no one ever responded.

Now I understand the tag came up and the info got into some LLers up in Carolina.Now they are crushing the fish in a place they normally did not fish but tried a set there because thats were the tag popped up.They are allowed to do that and I have no problem but it sucks that we did not see this info and the only reason they got it is because we rec guys raised the money for the tags then tagged the fish for rec research now it back fired and is helping LLers

talk about irony.

If any one has any thing to add I am all ears

If this is all just rumor and horse poop I am sorry.

LIGHTINING STRYKER · 12-20-2006, 03:47 PM

this is not true

LIGHTS OUT · 12-20-2006, 03:55 PM

I heard something very similar and would like to get to the truth myself. What's the deal? ANYONE???????????????????

LIGHTINING STRYKER · 12-20-2006, 04:02 PM

there was a sail club meeting open to the public.where the topic was disscussed.

quack quack · 12-20-2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIGHTINING STRYKER

there was a sail club meeting open to the public.where the topic was disscussed.

OK for those of us that missed the meeting please fill us in.

Nick C · 12-20-2006, 04:16 PM

I helped raise money for these things, so I want the info!

ProfessorO · 12-20-2006, 04:30 PM

QQ, As Capt Stryker pointed out, a status report on the SAIL club
swordfish tagging project was given by Dr. Kerstetter from NOAA
at the last SAIL club meeting. I've also heard this rumor but no
specifics about it. As I have pointed out to you in the past, one
should not post things that you know nothing about.

First of all, two swordfish were tagged for a period of 3-4 months.
Both tags have surfaced, one near the Charleston Bump and the
other fairly close to where we tagged the fish. The longitude, latitude
info from where they surfaced arrives at NOAA and is around one
week old. No one from NOAA or the few people from the SAIL club
that knew those numbers ever talked to any LLrs plus the data was
"old" when we got it. Also, if you look at map of where the LL fleet fishes, there are data pts everyone off of the Carolina coast, so I doubt the LL were
fishing new grounds based on our old data. This rumor is pure BS and it is counter productive to our efforts. So QQ or anyone else, What are the specifics of the rumor; what boat, what time, and who gave them the info???

The NOAA scientists, because of their service contract with ARGOS,
get the data up to a month or two after the data are first transmitted.
They are just getting the transmitted data now and it will take some
time to work up the numbers. Eric Prince, his team, and I will be trying
some new analysis techniques to maximize the information that we can
get from this expensive data. Please be patient since everyone involved
in this project is doing this research free of charge and good science
takes time. cheers, arthur

glowstick · 12-20-2006, 04:44 PM

I Tagged That Fish And Still Have Not Heard Anything. What Up

reel life · 12-20-2006, 04:54 PM

once again the onl data we have as of et is the location that the tag poped up 1 off the bump, the other close to the place it was deployed. right now the gus at noaa are just getting the downloaded info . it will take time to change from 0's and 1's to something we can use. when the info is in hand it will be available.
thanks for your help and understanding

Nightfighter · 12-20-2006, 09:02 PM

Thanks for the update O.

Kids you have to wait until Christmas morning before you can open your presents. This wind sucks.

Broadbill-Pro · 12-20-2006, 09:33 PM

Eric,

I read your post and on my way down to scold you, I see that the Professor beat me to it.

LL'ers discovered the swordfishery off the Carolinas almost 30 years ago, they do not need tags to pop up to know where to fish.

You have been hard on the guys you once defended and admired. What's up?

catching · 12-20-2006, 10:49 PM

All BS, QQ is right the tag popped up and the LL'ers crushed them where the tag popped up in an open zone

I volunteered my time and emailed Eric @ NOAA and never got a response on the results

I thought Sat tagging Swords was a good thing but now not so sure

must be just for the guys in the click

You all that asked for all of us to volunteer to pass off a fish and now you are not willing to pass off the info

do not ask for our help anymore

catching · 12-20-2006, 11:41 PM

Since this has come up

They are also not sharing is the use of Circle hooks when tagging fish

Remember when they started it this year and they went out and did not get any to tag ?????????????

Well a respected Captain at one of the seminars said and I quote " they used circle hooks the first few times with no luck getting one to the boat but once they switched back to J's they tagged two fish in one night" BTW one of these fish lead the LLers right to them

The Scientist wants us to Switch to all circle hooks but when they need to get a project done it is Ok to use J’s and are banning the use of J’s for all billfish tournaments

Most of you all know how I roll when fishing swords

so it will not affect the way I fish but for those that will have to use circle’s come next year I feel for you, if the best of the best could not get them using circle hooks how will the rest of us do it when there is money on the line

use offset J's and say you were using circle hooks

OK BBP and DA Beast chime in when you want I think this has stirred the pot

ProfessorO · 12-21-2006, 04:43 AM

Catching, why stir the pot?? Both Dr Prince and I are doing this project
for free, and given that the bottom has fallen out of science funding in
this country, it is not an easy time for either of us. I'll be honest,
I don't need this BS and if you folks keep up with this attitude, it will
be the last time that I try to do any good for the recreational swording
community. Let me repeat myself, no data has been processed yet, no
one as been giving any info, and when the data are available it will be put
on a web site and be shown at the local fishing clubs for all to see.

So QQ, Catching, and members of this forum, Who told you this rumor and where are the specifics??

I'm not even going to waste my time commenting on the circle hooks.

I keep hearing these complaints from folks, some who did not contribute
at all to this effort. Tek gave us $500 and we don't hear him complaining.
We started a very cool project and if we all keep our cool about it, we
are all going to benefit from it. If you guys want to continue to bug and
bash the scientists, go ahead it is a free country, but all this BS is not
at all beneficial to anyone. happy holidays to you all. arthur

Broadbill-Pro · 12-21-2006, 05:58 AM

Catching,

You are using the LL'ers as a tool to reinforce your displeasure in regard to the tag info controversy. I assure you that LL'ers from South Florida are not going to steam 3 days North because one tagged fish surfaced.

To say that this year is any different than the last 20 in regard to where the LL'ers are fishing is not accurate. The S. FL. fleet may have fished North last trip, but they only joined the vessels from Maine to Charleston that fish there every year.

Had you recieved the tag info first, were you going to run up there? I think you are getting your slickers in a bunch for no reason. Put a little more rum in that egg nog and be MERRY.

BTW, according to the Professor, tag info has not been released. Do you now have the Lat/Long of that fish? Hatteras to 31n is a big area to assume anyone set LL gear on top of that tag. The S. FL. fleet was fishing on the Northern border of the closed area.

quack quack · 12-21-2006, 08:23 AM

Ok Prof O you know I have nothing but respect for you and all you do in swordfish community.You are behind everything good that is going on with the efforts to preserve our fishing.But reread the end of my post.I just heard this info and wanted answers about it's truthfulness.I have and do as much as any one out there to help this fishery and will not get beat up for asking a question.

Vinny who are you kidding.The inshore side were they are catching fish now is way west of were they usually fish this time of year.Did info on the help LLers locate some fish most likely not.But many people on this forum that helped in tagging as well as supporting the tourneys have been asking about the tag info for months with no response.That is what leads to rumors no info at all.I know this all was talked about at some time at the sail club meeting but I just wish it got posted up on SFC were much of the support for this project lies.

I did not mean to spread rumors and only asked a question and gave my opinion.

Vinny I was not going after LLers at all just pointing out what could be a very ironic situation.If I was still LLing I would have loved to have any thing that would help me catch more fish.

Nightfighter · 12-21-2006, 08:48 AM

Chill guys. The Prof. is a class act. He's not going to bullsh!t you. Let him do his thing. He will get us the info when he can.
This wind is gettin to you. Rig leaders, work on the boat, buy more swording gear to keep bussy. Or, get your self a man land-toy to use when the wind blows.

LIGHTS OUT · 12-21-2006, 08:50 AM

How long before data is processed. There should be a time frame. One week?Two weeks? Three weeks? When? What? Where? Why?
I doubt that anybody on this forum wants to stir up anything that can negatively affect our fishery. People would just like to be in the loop! So, let's all continue to work together.

Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fishalways · 12-21-2006, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfighter

Chill guys. The Prof. is a class act. He's not going to bullsh!t you. Let him do his thing. He will get us the info when he can.
This wind is gettin to you. Rig leaders, work on the boat, buy more swording gear to keep bussy. Or, get your self a man land-toy to use when the wind blows.

I'd go with the man toy.

I got the new jeep that I'm gonna go off roading with soon.

If I can find some peeps to go off roading with

2ndChance · 12-21-2006, 09:30 AM

Man what are you guys doing? Professor "O" is doing the right thing. It takes time for the information to be de-coded. When the information is available I am sure a meeting will be assembled for all you participated in the tagging. Three quarters of the forum wouldn't know how to read the information anyway. What most of forums members don't realize when the fish is tagged off South Florida they most likely travel north but a few remain in the area. WE would like to know where they are hanging out of South Florida and what depth they are travelling. WE ALL HAVE CABIN FEVER so have a few extra cold ones and wait for the winds to die down... Merry Xmas for the Captain Tony and the 2nd Chance Fishing Team.

12-20-2006, 03:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,452	Sat tag info they got it but not us I have not seen or heard anything about the sat tags that were deployed.A bunch of people have asked and no one ever responded. Now I understand the tag came up and the info got into some LLers up in Carolina.Now they are crushing the fish in a place they normally did not fish but tried a set there because thats were the tag popped up.They are allowed to do that and I have no problem but it sucks that we did not see this info and the only reason they got it is because we rec guys raised the money for the tags then tagged the fish for rec research now it back fired and is helping LLers talk about irony. If any one has any thing to add I am all ears If this is all just rumor and horse poop I am sorry. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

12-20-2006, 03:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
LIGHTINING STRYKER Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: HOLLYWOOD Occupation: self employed Posts: 142	this is not true __________________ only armed men can be free

12-20-2006, 04:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
LIGHTINING STRYKER Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: HOLLYWOOD Occupation: self employed Posts: 142	there was a sail club meeting open to the public.where the topic was disscussed. __________________ only armed men can be free

12-20-2006, 04:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,110	I helped raise money for these things, so I want the info! __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!" Last edited by Nick C : 12-20-2006 at 04:33 PM. Reason: notso harsh

12-20-2006, 04:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
reel life Hooked Up Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Knot sure Boat: REEL LIFE Best Catch: Iron Babe Occupation: Captain Posts: 158	once again the onl data we have as of et is the location that the tag poped up 1 off the bump, the other close to the place it was deployed. right now the gus at noaa are just getting the downloaded info . it will take time to change from 0's and 1's to something we can use. when the info is in hand it will be available. thanks for your help and understanding __________________ born to fish forced to work Capt. Ray C dragon baits from the other forum

12-20-2006, 03:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
LIGHTS OUT Hooked Up Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Plantation, Fl. Boat: 26' Open Fish/ Twin 200 Best Catch: 300+ Swordy Occupation: entrepreneur Posts: 557	I heard something very similar and would like to get to the truth myself. What's the deal? ANYONE???????????????????

12-20-2006, 04:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
ProfessorO Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Boat: Wellcraft 270 Coastal Best Catch: All of them Occupation: Professor of Physical Oceanography Posts: 492	QQ, As Capt Stryker pointed out, a status report on the SAIL club swordfish tagging project was given by Dr. Kerstetter from NOAA at the last SAIL club meeting. I've also heard this rumor but no specifics about it. As I have pointed out to you in the past, one should not post things that you know nothing about. First of all, two swordfish were tagged for a period of 3-4 months. Both tags have surfaced, one near the Charleston Bump and the other fairly close to where we tagged the fish. The longitude, latitude info from where they surfaced arrives at NOAA and is around one week old. No one from NOAA or the few people from the SAIL club that knew those numbers ever talked to any LLrs plus the data was "old" when we got it. Also, if you look at map of where the LL fleet fishes, there are data pts everyone off of the Carolina coast, so I doubt the LL were fishing new grounds based on our old data. This rumor is pure BS and it is counter productive to our efforts. So QQ or anyone else, What are the specifics of the rumor; what boat, what time, and who gave them the info??? The NOAA scientists, because of their service contract with ARGOS, get the data up to a month or two after the data are first transmitted. They are just getting the transmitted data now and it will take some time to work up the numbers. Eric Prince, his team, and I will be trying some new analysis techniques to maximize the information that we can get from this expensive data. Please be patient since everyone involved in this project is doing this research free of charge and good science takes time. cheers, arthur

12-20-2006, 04:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
glowstick Grunt Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 15	I Tagged That Fish And Still Have Not Heard Anything. What Up

12-20-2006, 09:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nightfighter Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Delray Beach Occupation: Brain Stergeon Posts: 479	Thanks for the update O. Kids you have to wait until Christmas morning before you can open your presents. This wind sucks. __________________ Night Fighters Lures NightFightersLures.com Swordfish Guide http://Swordfishguide.com

12-20-2006, 09:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,219	Eric, I read your post and on my way down to scold you, I see that the Professor beat me to it. LL'ers discovered the swordfishery off the Carolinas almost 30 years ago, they do not need tags to pop up to know where to fish. You have been hard on the guys you once defended and admired. What's up?

12-20-2006, 10:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,433	All BS, QQ is right the tag popped up and the LL'ers crushed them where the tag popped up in an open zone I volunteered my time and emailed Eric @ NOAA and never got a response on the results I thought Sat tagging Swords was a good thing but now not so sure must be just for the guys in the click You all that asked for all of us to volunteer to pass off a fish and now you are not willing to pass off the info do not ask for our help anymore

12-20-2006, 11:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,433	Since this has come up They are also not sharing is the use of Circle hooks when tagging fish Remember when they started it this year and they went out and did not get any to tag ????????????? Well a respected Captain at one of the seminars said and I quote " they used circle hooks the first few times with no luck getting one to the boat but once they switched back to J's they tagged two fish in one night" BTW one of these fish lead the LLers right to them The Scientist wants us to Switch to all circle hooks but when they need to get a project done it is Ok to use J’s and are banning the use of J’s for all billfish tournaments Most of you all know how I roll when fishing swords so it will not affect the way I fish but for those that will have to use circle’s come next year I feel for you, if the best of the best could not get them using circle hooks how will the rest of us do it when there is money on the line use offset J's and say you were using circle hooks OK BBP and DA Beast chime in when you want I think this has stirred the pot

12-21-2006, 04:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
ProfessorO Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Boat: Wellcraft 270 Coastal Best Catch: All of them Occupation: Professor of Physical Oceanography Posts: 492	Catching, why stir the pot?? Both Dr Prince and I are doing this project for free, and given that the bottom has fallen out of science funding in this country, it is not an easy time for either of us. I'll be honest, I don't need this BS and if you folks keep up with this attitude, it will be the last time that I try to do any good for the recreational swording community. Let me repeat myself, no data has been processed yet, no one as been giving any info, and when the data are available it will be put on a web site and be shown at the local fishing clubs for all to see. So QQ, Catching, and members of this forum, Who told you this rumor and where are the specifics?? I'm not even going to waste my time commenting on the circle hooks. I keep hearing these complaints from folks, some who did not contribute at all to this effort. Tek gave us $500 and we don't hear him complaining. We started a very cool project and if we all keep our cool about it, we are all going to benefit from it. If you guys want to continue to bug and bash the scientists, go ahead it is a free country, but all this BS is not at all beneficial to anyone. happy holidays to you all. arthur

12-21-2006, 05:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,219	Catching, You are using the LL'ers as a tool to reinforce your displeasure in regard to the tag info controversy. I assure you that LL'ers from South Florida are not going to steam 3 days North because one tagged fish surfaced. To say that this year is any different than the last 20 in regard to where the LL'ers are fishing is not accurate. The S. FL. fleet may have fished North last trip, but they only joined the vessels from Maine to Charleston that fish there every year. Had you recieved the tag info first, were you going to run up there? I think you are getting your slickers in a bunch for no reason. Put a little more rum in that egg nog and be MERRY. BTW, according to the Professor, tag info has not been released. Do you now have the Lat/Long of that fish? Hatteras to 31n is a big area to assume anyone set LL gear on top of that tag. The S. FL. fleet was fishing on the Northern border of the closed area.

12-21-2006, 08:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,452	Ok Prof O you know I have nothing but respect for you and all you do in swordfish community.You are behind everything good that is going on with the efforts to preserve our fishing.But reread the end of my post.I just heard this info and wanted answers about it's truthfulness.I have and do as much as any one out there to help this fishery and will not get beat up for asking a question. Vinny who are you kidding.The inshore side were they are catching fish now is way west of were they usually fish this time of year.Did info on the help LLers locate some fish most likely not.But many people on this forum that helped in tagging as well as supporting the tourneys have been asking about the tag info for months with no response.That is what leads to rumors no info at all.I know this all was talked about at some time at the sail club meeting but I just wish it got posted up on SFC were much of the support for this project lies. I did not mean to spread rumors and only asked a question and gave my opinion. Vinny I was not going after LLers at all just pointing out what could be a very ironic situation.If I was still LLing I would have loved to have any thing that would help me catch more fish. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

12-21-2006, 08:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
Nightfighter Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Delray Beach Occupation: Brain Stergeon Posts: 479	Chill guys. The Prof. is a class act. He's not going to bullsh!t you. Let him do his thing. He will get us the info when he can. This wind is gettin to you. Rig leaders, work on the boat, buy more swording gear to keep bussy. Or, get your self a man land-toy to use when the wind blows. __________________ Night Fighters Lures NightFightersLures.com Swordfish Guide http://Swordfishguide.com

12-21-2006, 08:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
LIGHTS OUT Hooked Up Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Plantation, Fl. Boat: 26' Open Fish/ Twin 200 Best Catch: 300+ Swordy Occupation: entrepreneur Posts: 557	How long before data is processed. There should be a time frame. One week?Two weeks? Three weeks? When? What? Where? Why? I doubt that anybody on this forum wants to stir up anything that can negatively affect our fishery. People would just like to be in the loop! So, let's all continue to work together. Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-21-2006, 09:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
2ndChance Lines In Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines Occupation: Realtor & Mortgage Broker Posts: 84	Man what are you guys doing? Professor "O" is doing the right thing. It takes time for the information to be de-coded. When the information is available I am sure a meeting will be assembled for all you participated in the tagging. Three quarters of the forum wouldn't know how to read the information anyway. What most of forums members don't realize when the fish is tagged off South Florida they most likely travel north but a few remain in the area. WE would like to know where they are hanging out of South Florida and what depth they are travelling. WE ALL HAVE CABIN FEVER so have a few extra cold ones and wait for the winds to die down... Merry Xmas for the Captain Tony and the 2nd Chance Fishing Team. __________________ 2ND Chance Charters Captain Tony Azeem Sponsored by: Captian Mark's Chum & Sword Slasher Products.