Sat tag info they got it but not us

[Capt. Art]

Hey lights Out:

I don't know what world you are living in.

You cannot put a time table on scientific analysis like you do on rigging baits.

If you keep badgering people who are helping us for free, the work will not be as good or last as long as we would like.

Capt. Art

[JahMussa]

I'm happy to have been involved with this project and I do want to see the data. Knowing that the tag popped up is nice but knowing where those fish spent the day and more important... the night time hours is what I'm looking for. I know this will take time to put together but I do hope I'm on PO's A list

[LIGHTS OUT]

Originally Posted by Capt. Art

Hey lights Out:

I don't know what world you are living in.

You cannot put a time table on scientific analysis like you do on rigging baits.

If you keep badgering people who are helping us for free, the work will not be as good or last as long as we would like.

Capt. Art

All i was trying to do was alleviate the animosity reguarding the topic. I was merely stating that these are questions that people are curious to know the answers to, not that I myself was requesting these answers. How you interpreted anything other than that is beyond me but apparently you are the type of person that encourages confrontation SOOOO, SO BE IT.

What type of world do you live in that you do not expect a time frame for a result or information requested be it scientific or medical or anything else for that matter.(drug test-one to two days;blood test-one to two weeks etc.)
The problem for you may be that people don't respect you enough to care to give you info. even if you do request it.Either way' TOUGH S*** if you feel like you have the need to try to pick on someone to boost your own self-esteem issues.

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by catching

OK BBP and DA Beast chime in when you want I think this has stirred the pot

Thanks for the invite. I do believe it was done with good intentions and hopefully good things will come from this Sat tag venture. I thank ALL who spent their valuable time in this project. However, I do have a few very short comments.

I use circle hooks and J hooks and can confirm that the circles are much more consistant with healthy releases. I have found I pull J hooks as much as I miss bites on circles.

About 5 years ago I was told (name withheld) to NEVER tag any billfish out of country and be wary of tagging Swordfish at all. This information is vital to all of us BUT appears to fall into commercial hands, quickly.

With the evolution of computers and these informational tags, it is impossible for me to fathom that it can take months to process this information. My little PC can be anywhere in the world in seconds.

'Nuff said. I don't want to get too involved in this because my strong opinions have caused some forum members to label me.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[LIGHTS OUT]

Originally Posted by The BEAST

Thanks for the invite. I do believe it was done with good intentions and hopefully good things will come from this Sat tag venture. I thank ALL who spent their valuable time in this project. However, I do have a few very short comments.

I use circle hooks and J hooks and can confirm that the circles are much more consistant with healthy releases. I have found I pull J hooks as much as I miss bites on circles.

About 5 years ago I was told (name withheld) to NEVER tag any billfish out of country and be wary of tagging Swordfish at all. This information is vital to all of us BUT appears to fall into commercial hands, quickly.

With the evolution of computers and these informational tags, it is impossible for me to fathom that it can take months to process this information. My little PC can be anywhere in the world in seconds.

'Nuff said. I don't want to get too involved in this because my strong opinions have caused some forum members to label me.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

A little COMMON SENSE goes a long way.

[quack quack]

I have no problem with the LLers.I have no problem with any rec guys.

I am done with this for now.But if the info got to LLers first when the rec guys did all the work then that would not be nice.I am not trailering up to SC but it would have been nice to be in the loop even if it was a small piece of info.Maybe some rec guy's knew about the info so why the secret?


I wish every one tight lines and safe trips homes.

[Sword Donkey]

Catching,
Swords fall under the Migratory Species ( just like the tuna permit ). Sword Tourneys aren't required to use circles after the 1st of Jan. ( only all other billfish tourneys ). This is a fact and great news for those that like to fish these sword tourneys and use J hooks doing so.

[Broadbill-Pro]

Food for thought, it was the LL'ers who did the work and research that has lead up to ALL of us knowing how to catch a swordfish.

I have been asked many times for advise and/or my opinion. Where do you think that knowledge came from? Even if LL benefit from Rec. info, I would have to say that the score is still not even.

Cheers QQ

[quack quack]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Food for thought, it was the LL'ers who did the work and research that has lead up to ALL of us knowing how to catch a swordfish.

I have been asked many times for advise and/or my opinion. Where do you think that knowledge came from? Even if LL benefit from Rec. info, I would have to say that the score is still not even.

Cheers QQ

Boy you left yourself wide open on that one Vinny

You are right about current fishing methods like night fishing,lights etc.But as far as even score tell that to all the guys that rec fished in the 70's I am sure they think the LLer still owe them for taking away the fishery back then.

Like I said before and I will say again.

If I was LLing and got info about some fish locations I would top off the fuel,pens,bait and grocery and go give it hell.I also think the stick boats guy's would say the LLers owe them too.While we are at it let's not forget to thank the Jap's for teaching us how to LL in the first place. Pearl Harbor,The A bomb and sushi baby

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Food for thought, it was the LL'ers who did the work and research that has lead up to ALL of us knowing how to catch a swordfish.

I have been asked many times for advise and/or my opinion. Where do you think that knowledge came from? Even if LL benefit from Rec. info, I would have to say that the score is still not even.

Cheers QQ

Vinnie,

DUDE! I have to agree with QQ on this one! You definitely left yourself wide open. Got your bullet proof vest on? You couldn't get this forum stirred up with the "boring" thread but you might with this one.

My only comment is that this information exchange is hardly, as you say, an uneven score, with the LL coming out on the short end. The LL'ers give us some information and it helps us catch "A" Swordfish or 2 more, on occasion. The LL gets one tidbit of lat/lon information from tags and/or Sat tag results from the recs efforts and they turn it into more "metric tons" of Swordfish. Not quite the same!

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[Broadbill-Pro]

I was going to mention the Japs fishing off our coast as far back as the 50's, but you beat me to it.

since we are talking POST VIETNAM WAR, lets say that it was the local LL fleet that inspired what is now a productive recreational fishery.

LL get their info these days from onboard satillite receivers that display SST, altimetry and current flow charts. Not to mention a network of vessels that share information via inmarsat C and SSB throughout the entire world. It is a bit more complicated than looking for an open spot on the 50 line. But you already know all of this, so I'm preaching to the masses thru you.

Admitt it, the attempt to pin the tagged fish crap on the LL was a cheap shot.

[Broadbill-Pro]

Jim,

All I am saying is that the position of ONE fish, hardly is something to make a LL'er turn his bow. It's a joke to think it had anything to do with their recent catches.

[catching]

Originally Posted by Sword Donkey

Catching,
Swords fall under the Migratory Species ( just like the tuna permit ). Sword Tourneys aren't required to use circles after the 1st of Jan. ( only all other billfish tourneys ). This is a fact and great news for those that like to fish these sword tourneys and use J hooks doing so.

SD, I could not find the the thread where it stated all billfish including Swordfish. If someone can find the reg's on this new rule and post it that would be great.

[catching]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

All I am saying is that the position of ONE fish, hardly is something to make a LL'er turn his bow. It's a joke to think it had anything to do with their recent catches.

If the fishing was not good where you were fishing it would not hurt to move now would it maybe they just got lucky

[quack quack]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Admitt it, the attempt to pin the tagged fish crap on the LL was a cheap shot.

Dude not to sound like a movie but Are you talkin to me?

Cheap shot my butt do not pretend not to know what happen.You were talking about it days ago.You know of what I am talking about

I have said it 10 times now if I had info I would use it and catch as many fish as I could.So cheap shot a LLers Is not what I am doing and you know that.I know it is hard to come off the water and I know you still have the veins in your teeth but stop with the double agenda.You know you want them to open the closed area to the south so you can fish out of the Key's.A nice 2 man 5 mile spool on your rebuilt Ocen Master wouls make you very happy and do not lie.

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Jim,

All I am saying is that the position of ONE fish, hardly is something to make a LL'er turn his bow. It's a joke to think it had anything to do with their recent catches.

I'm thick headed but not so dense as to believe that the fish has no friends around him. Do I think its a joke that a LL could be having a bad trip and say(?), You know what, let's gamble and give it a shot!" Heck no that is not above reality. I've done that Sailfishing. When the bite is off in my area and I hear of a bite in Miami, I will gamble and make the run even though I have nothing to gain. I am still going to get my base rate, either way. If I was gambling on making tens of thousands of dollars more than staying put, I would run as far as my fuel would take me. It only takes one gambler to draw the flush and the rest will follow.

[Tuna Devil]

I'd buy one.

[catching]

A captain was kind enough PM me and let me know he just received the tournament reg's in regards to circle hooks and Swordfish are not on the list

[LHPfish]

Some of you guys need to get off the damn computer and get a life, i don't want to read this crap. nuff said

[Fishalways]

Originally Posted by LHPfish

Some of you guys need to get off the damn computer and get a life, i don't want to read this crap. nuff said

Pot,

Meet Kettle.