Kite for Swords

Fishalways · 11-07-2006, 07:42 PM

Ok I'm going out on a limb here and going to broach the topic of kites.
Would it be correct for me to assume that the use of the kite is the same as balloons in that you are simply moving a spread away from the boat to allow more lines?

Obviously the kite puts the lines on the leeward side of the boat away from the flat and balloon lines.

Do you drop the kite lines down to depth or keep them on the surface?

Getting ready to put 6 straight up rod holders on the boat and I want to be able to put lines off both sides of the boat.

Now if I could just get through the next 7 days I can get back on the water.

P.s I'm editing pumpkin pooning video as we speak. Hopefully I will get it out tomorrow.

DIRTYFOOT2 · 11-07-2006, 07:47 PM

No answers just more ?'s for the pros. Where is the light presented on a night kite bait? Is anybody fishing a stinger in thier kite baits?
Thanks,
DF2

JupiterSailfish · 11-07-2006, 08:49 PM

I would think the wind would have to be really strong to keep the kite up with all that weight from the line and weights.

Otherwise it should work if you don't use weights. You could put some baits on the surface and then use the weight of the LP light on your line to sink it down slowly without affecting the kite.

Momentum · 11-07-2006, 09:08 PM

The way JupiterSailfish put it isn't a bad idea at all. I'm sure everyone is familiar with how the kite moves up and down with different wind velocities - ...well, think....saw you drop your bait 10 ft. down with the LP, the kite would move up 6-8 ft. (all depending) so think about how your squid would look moving up and down in the water colomn...pretty realistic!

Shark Tagger · 11-07-2006, 09:11 PM

Ok, my son will be mad but I'll get you the gist of our setup (he loves the kite) If you see a kite on the 50 line during the week, it is usually us.

Just as you said, the kite in swordfishing is used to drift the balloon baits off the other side of the boat, giving you a true diameter of baits.

We usually put these baits out first as it can get messy. We put the glowstick on the balloon just as normal and usually go 2 lines like this. Most of the time the fish picks up the bait, so dont expect the line to ever pop off the clip...

If the bite is up top, we have gone as far to put a runner on the surface very close to the boat so we can watch it... have got several dolphin like this at night...

If my son isnt out with us, we dont bother.. I dont have the energy for it

JR.ANGLER 1 · 11-07-2006, 09:32 PM

Shark Tagger - Are you saying that you are still fishing a jug / balloon off of the kite, or are you reffering to a helium balloon setup? It seems to me that with all that weight you would have to either be using a helium balloon or have stiff winter winds.

Thanks for the info.

Fishalways · 11-07-2006, 09:56 PM

Tagger

Your setup is what I was thinking about.

How deep do you drop them if you are not on the surface?

I definatly agree that if you don't have the people to keep track a kite can be a handfull.

Shark Tagger · 11-07-2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishalways

Tagger

Your setup is what I was thinking about.

How deep do you drop them if you are not on the surface?

I definatly agree that if you don't have the people to keep track a kite can be a handfull.

We usually drop them 100 and 200ft. As you said, it is a full time job keeping up with the kite.. especially if they are snapping.. but if we find they are snapping, the kite bites wont go out on the 2nd drift.

Shark Tagger · 11-07-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR.ANGLER 1

Shark Tagger - Are you saying that you are still fishing a jug / balloon off of the kite, or are you reffering to a helium balloon setup? It seems to me that with all that weight you would have to either be using a helium balloon or have stiff winter winds.

Thanks for the info.

Yes, we fish the balloon baits exactly as is. The kite is just used to put them on the opposite side of the boat. All the weight is on the balloon. If you had over 32 ounces of weight on the kite clip, you'd probably have some issues.

If there isnt enough wind to fly the kite, we wont bother. On the reef the helium rocks.. but swording it it too much hassle in my opinion. However if it was tournament time, we would consider it on a dead calm night... Again crew is needed to work everything fast and efficiently.

If you decide to fish a live bait on the surface, just use a glow stick as your marker...I like to fish this one close to the boat and just outside the light of the SWORDLIGHT.. its easy to work that way... we have 3 clips on our kite rod.

ST

swordfish123 · 11-07-2006, 11:52 PM

I am intrigued, but would this not cuase a series of problems trying to get tight on fish?

If the jug tipped over you would have an extra 75 yard or so to reel before you could get tight... how do you set your drag in these situations? I could see it working without the balloon better than with.

PS...do you put an electralume on the kite? that would be awesome! and it would probably confuse the hell out of some people!!!

Shark Tagger · 11-08-2006, 09:33 AM

Putting out a big runner or even squid with atleast 24 ounces of wait (we use atleast 32), is going to be an exteme load on your kite without the balloon. (If you fish a kite during the day with 2 to 3 gogs, you know even those baits can cause a load on a medium wind)

We fish all balloon baits with atleast 10lbs in the rod holder. If the balloon flips, we crank like normal. If it dunks or pops, the weight of the fish or even just the weight will pop it from the clip and this is where a 2 speed reel comes in handy.

The kite simply allows us to add 2 to 3 more baits to our spread when it is slow picking out there.

We caught a fish about 160lbs this year on a 100foot kite bait. It was pretty textbook... grabbed the squid and pulled drag and was hooked.. once popped, there was slack, but we already had the barb sunk and came tight again in seconds.

Tightlines

Sword Donkey · 11-08-2006, 11:19 AM

If you have wind, time, and the energy to fish a kite bait or two. Do it.. Otherwise it's too much hastle. I know several people who fish kites and have caught them pretty good on the kite baits. They use less lead and send the bait down until you can't see the light anymore. The kites will produce, they cover more lateral depth during your drift. It's the same thing that applies to sailfishing. We usually are busy enough with our jugs and tip rods that we don't bother, but if it works for you; let us know.

Capt. T

LHPfish · 11-08-2006, 12:29 PM

you dont need your baits deep to catch a swordfish. Half the fun of a kite is seeing the strike on the surface, in the light, next to the boat. Fish it like you would on the reef. :thumright:

DIRTYFOOT2 · 11-08-2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LHPfish

you dont need your baits deep to catch a swordfish. Half the fun of a kite is seeing the strike on the surface, in the light, next to the boat. Fish it like you would on the reef. :thumright:

Going to give it a try LHP. Weighting it down and all dat seems like wampum big hassle. One ?. Just leave the LP out of the equation?
DF2 :-k

Tuna Devil · 11-08-2006, 12:41 PM

I am with LHP on this one. We have all seen the Swords swimming in the lights.

DF,

You can use a lightstick to keep track of it in the dark, but you should try fishing it Sailfish style.

Venice Tunaman · 11-08-2006, 12:47 PM

that would be killer!!!

DIRTYFOOT2 · 11-08-2006, 01:14 PM

Thanks TD. You back up north?

Tuna Devil · 11-08-2006, 01:20 PM

Yes I am (50 Degrees and raining). I am going to try the Blue Fins one more time and then I am bringing my boat for the winter.

DIRTYFOOT2 · 11-08-2006, 01:32 PM

We'll keep the slip warm for ya capt.
Good luck w/ the giants.
DF2

LHPfish · 11-08-2006, 02:24 PM

Use a light stick, an LP isnt necessary, we usually don't fish them on baits <200ft. Also, keep in mind you have the ultimate light stick attached to your boat and 2 baits dangling off the kite in the light.

11-07-2006, 07:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Fishalways Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Boat: 206 Kencraft Best Catch: 450# Blue Marlin, Walkers Cay Posts: 632	Kite for Swords Ok I'm going out on a limb here and going to broach the topic of kites. Would it be correct for me to assume that the use of the kite is the same as balloons in that you are simply moving a spread away from the boat to allow more lines? Obviously the kite puts the lines on the leeward side of the boat away from the flat and balloon lines. Do you drop the kite lines down to depth or keep them on the surface? Getting ready to put 6 straight up rod holders on the boat and I want to be able to put lines off both sides of the boat. Now if I could just get through the next 7 days I can get back on the water. P.s I'm editing pumpkin pooning video as we speak. Hopefully I will get it out tomorrow.

11-07-2006, 07:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
DIRTYFOOT2 Grander Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lake Worth fl Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper Occupation: Gunnel Washer Posts: 2,061	Kites No answers just more ?'s for the pros. Where is the light presented on a night kite bait? Is anybody fishing a stinger in thier kite baits? Thanks, DF2 __________________ right thumb on the spool, left hand flips the lever

11-08-2006, 12:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tuna Devil Grander Join Date: Nov 2005 Occupation: Pirate Posts: 1,961	I am with LHP on this one. We have all seen the Swords swimming in the lights. DF, You can use a lightstick to keep track of it in the dark, but you should try fishing it Sailfish style. __________________ What do you mean I'm not kind? I'm just not your kind.

11-08-2006, 01:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
DIRTYFOOT2 Grander Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lake Worth fl Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper Occupation: Gunnel Washer Posts: 2,061	Thanks TD. You back up north? __________________ right thumb on the spool, left hand flips the lever

11-08-2006, 01:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tuna Devil Grander Join Date: Nov 2005 Occupation: Pirate Posts: 1,961	Yes I am (50 Degrees and raining). I am going to try the Blue Fins one more time and then I am bringing my boat for the winter. __________________ What do you mean I'm not kind? I'm just not your kind.

11-07-2006, 08:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
JupiterSailfish Hooked Up Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jupiter, FL Best Catch: 170lb Swordy - Tag Teamed it Posts: 585	I would think the wind would have to be really strong to keep the kite up with all that weight from the line and weights. Otherwise it should work if you don't use weights. You could put some baits on the surface and then use the weight of the LP light on your line to sink it down slowly without affecting the kite.

11-07-2006, 09:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Momentum Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 330	The way JupiterSailfish put it isn't a bad idea at all. I'm sure everyone is familiar with how the kite moves up and down with different wind velocities - ...well, think....saw you drop your bait 10 ft. down with the LP, the kite would move up 6-8 ft. (all depending) so think about how your squid would look moving up and down in the water colomn...pretty realistic!

11-07-2006, 09:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 921	Ok, my son will be mad but I'll get you the gist of our setup (he loves the kite) If you see a kite on the 50 line during the week, it is usually us. Just as you said, the kite in swordfishing is used to drift the balloon baits off the other side of the boat, giving you a true diameter of baits. We usually put these baits out first as it can get messy. We put the glowstick on the balloon just as normal and usually go 2 lines like this. Most of the time the fish picks up the bait, so dont expect the line to ever pop off the clip... If the bite is up top, we have gone as far to put a runner on the surface very close to the boat so we can watch it... have got several dolphin like this at night... If my son isnt out with us, we dont bother.. I dont have the energy for it

11-07-2006, 09:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
JR.ANGLER 1 Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 5 6 ACE Boat: Goin' Raptor Posts: 71	Shark Tagger - Are you saying that you are still fishing a jug / balloon off of the kite, or are you reffering to a helium balloon setup? It seems to me that with all that weight you would have to either be using a helium balloon or have stiff winter winds. Thanks for the info.

11-07-2006, 09:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fishalways Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Boat: 206 Kencraft Best Catch: 450# Blue Marlin, Walkers Cay Posts: 632	Tagger Your setup is what I was thinking about. How deep do you drop them if you are not on the surface? I definatly agree that if you don't have the people to keep track a kite can be a handfull.

11-07-2006, 11:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	I am intrigued, but would this not cuase a series of problems trying to get tight on fish? If the jug tipped over you would have an extra 75 yard or so to reel before you could get tight... how do you set your drag in these situations? I could see it working without the balloon better than with. PS...do you put an electralume on the kite? that would be awesome! and it would probably confuse the hell out of some people!!!

11-08-2006, 09:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 921	Putting out a big runner or even squid with atleast 24 ounces of wait (we use atleast 32), is going to be an exteme load on your kite without the balloon. (If you fish a kite during the day with 2 to 3 gogs, you know even those baits can cause a load on a medium wind) We fish all balloon baits with atleast 10lbs in the rod holder. If the balloon flips, we crank like normal. If it dunks or pops, the weight of the fish or even just the weight will pop it from the clip and this is where a 2 speed reel comes in handy. The kite simply allows us to add 2 to 3 more baits to our spread when it is slow picking out there. We caught a fish about 160lbs this year on a 100foot kite bait. It was pretty textbook... grabbed the squid and pulled drag and was hooked.. once popped, there was slack, but we already had the barb sunk and came tight again in seconds. Tightlines

11-08-2006, 11:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sword Donkey Lines In Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Around 1,200 feet of water off Miami Boat: Killing and Releasing Sword Donkies Occupation: Salesman Posts: 91	If you have wind, time, and the energy to fish a kite bait or two. Do it.. Otherwise it's too much hastle. I know several people who fish kites and have caught them pretty good on the kite baits. They use less lead and send the bait down until you can't see the light anymore. The kites will produce, they cover more lateral depth during your drift. It's the same thing that applies to sailfishing. We usually are busy enough with our jugs and tip rods that we don't bother, but if it works for you; let us know. Capt. T

11-08-2006, 12:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
LHPfish Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 185	you dont need your baits deep to catch a swordfish. Half the fun of a kite is seeing the strike on the surface, in the light, next to the boat. Fish it like you would on the reef. :thumright:

11-08-2006, 12:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Venice Tunaman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Venice Louisiana Posts: 205	that would be killer!!!

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11-08-2006, 01:32 PM	#19 (permalink)
DIRTYFOOT2 Grander Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lake Worth fl Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper Occupation: Gunnel Washer Posts: 2,061	We'll keep the slip warm for ya capt. Good luck w/ the giants. DF2 __________________ right thumb on the spool, left hand flips the lever

11-08-2006, 02:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
LHPfish Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 185	Use a light stick, an LP isnt necessary, we usually don't fish them on baits <200ft. Also, keep in mind you have the ultimate light stick attached to your boat and 2 baits dangling off the kite in the light.

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