confession

[rollin]

ive been talking to some fishin buddies and been enlightened to some comments that have been made about me in pm's on this forum, and even some open topics - so im gonna confess.

i originally registered my name on this forum as Rod Chucker - it was a nickname given to me by the capt. of the boat i was on when i faught my first decent swordfish, (90lbs or so). we were using stand-up gear with no harness and no knowledge of how to chase fish - just crank and crank - anyway, i threatened to throw the rod overboard after about 30 minutes cause my arms felt like they were gonna fall off - hence the name and my zeal for the darkside.

i changed my name to rollin after a commercial sword operator threatened to track me down and shoot at me if i didnt change my tune about commercial outfits. i liked to chat with most guys on here and even learned some good stuff, but hey, that was just too much BS.

one night after a few days of argueing with BBP and others about the damage done to fish stocks by commercial vs. recreational, (yada, yada, yada), i had had few too many shots and i insulted the fathers of commercial fishermen.

i absolutely apologize for those remarks. my father was my best friend til the day he died and taught me everything good that i knew in life - and that included from how to bait my first hook to practicing catch and release to conserve fish stocks. i am sure that my passion for fishing and conservation came directly from him entirely - so let me say again to everyone on this forum that was insulted my those remarks - i apologize.

i changed my name again after that to bugman - (which was actually my original yahoo screenname from another forum). nightfighter busted me the first time i posted under that name - i dont know how he did it, but it doesnt matter.

i will post under the name rollin from now on. if you decline to speak to me anymore cause of my changing names and getting drunk before i posted those regretful remarks, i wont blame you and i deserve it, but i'll still post here anyway - i talk to myself mostly anyway.

confession over.

BBP - why do you refer to recreational bouy fishermen as hypocrits when you sound like your about to do the same thing yourself? isnt that the definition of a hypocrit? someone who says its not ok to do something and then goes out and does that very same thing?

rollin

(i cant figure out how to change my name back to Rod Chucker or i would - its a much cooler name).

[Nightfighter]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
You are cracking me up. You outed your self.
I sure as hell hope no one is stupid enough to cause you harm just for screwing off on a forum. Freedom of speech and all.
The game was fun. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Verado06]

Dont worry about it buddy... and I too hope that no one would go psyco from postings in a forum.

Are you the guy that keeps asking us for Handgear Permits?

[Broadbill-Pro]

Actually, I remember having some decent debates with you as rod chucker, I have no hard feeling towards you or anyone else on this forum. It is all fun and games..

What I have stated is that as long as it is legal, I have no problem with the guys who bouy fish. That does not mean it should be allowed. I have access to a permit and to be honest would love to fish a few bouys for the fun of it (money is not important). The day that NMFS says lines in then I will toss my bouys in the dumpster.

I realize I swing a double bladed sword around, my take on all this confuses me at times. What it boils down to is that many jobs were lost in regard to the recovery of swordfish and now many jobs are being created without the health of the swordfish stock being considered.

The stock is recovered lets catch them, the stock is not recovered keep the longlines out. Well, which is it? Is the fishery in good enough shape to allow commercial fishing or not?

[reel life]

how manny jobs have been created due to the fact that PPL has been banned?
a crap load more than all the PPL put together, if you ask me.
and the staights were closed because of all the bykill that goes along with unattended gear. it had nothing to do with the stocks of swordfish more to do with turtles

[Captain Ollie]

Lets all read this statement by BBP VERY carefully.

"The stock is recovered lets catch them, the stock is not recovered keep the longlines out. Well, which is it? Is the fishery in good enough shape to allow commercial fishing or not?"

If I read read carefully between the lines I read this.................

If the stock is recovered enough to allow commercial fishing there is no reason not to allow the longliners back in.

Really, BP, please spare us all the smoke and mirrors and just say what you really want to in the first place......... Or better yet let me get my hammer and a fan to clear this up for you..............if the stock is recovered you see absolutely no reson not to allow LL's back in the straits.
Point blank.

[catching]

Not just the turtles but also everything else the LLing caught and killed that was not a Sword like Marlins, Sailfish, Etc. Etc. Etc.

BP you will have to agree that the Buoy guys do not have these issues, or at least not on such a large scale, and that is why they are allowed. They are not decimating the entire fishery of every fish and creature in the closed zones.

[captadamr]

I am so happy that PLL is TOTALLY ILLEGAL in the Bahmams, alothough i know our good friends stil sneak in to drop the gear..... [-X
Whos worse the PLL or the Jap Tuna Seiners?

[rollin]

well i got 1 more thing to say. no bouy gear in the closed zones. theyre closed for a reason.

comm. guys wanna sell they're catch from the closed zones? no problem. just catch 'em like we do - on a rod and reel.

[captadamr]

what is the diff between PLL and bouy gear>? A smaller boat, and 10,000 less hooks

[Nightfighter]

Originally Posted by rollin

comm. guys wanna sell they're catch from the closed zones? no problem. just catch 'em like we do - on a rod and reel.

you tell em

[The BEAST]

A commercial fisherman beothcing at a wannabe again commercial fisherman. This is pricelsss! If I were one of the few commercial guys allowed to fish in a closed/restricted area, I would simply shut up and fish. I surely wouldn't be calling any more attention to that fact on a forum.

Maybe I am old school American!?! A CLOSED/RESTRICTED area to commercial harvest should be a CLOSED/RESTRICTED area to commercial harvest, regardless of gear. Case closed! I know I would be miffed if they allowed a select few to fish in a "No Fish Zone" because they used a yo-yo! Am I the only one who sees this? It is only a matter of time before there are more and more buoy fisherman and then the LL'ers have a legitimate case to appeal their exclusion. It will be history repeated, once again.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[Broadbill-Pro]

Ollie, There was a time when I thought you had your sh#t together, but your constant attempts to put words in my mouth and read through the lines has convinced me that you are only concerned with your agenda.

For the last time!!! NO COMMERCIAL FISHING IN THE CLOSED AREA, that includes longlines.


I don't need to be told about the difference between LL and bouy gear (again why are we discussing LL's?, they are out never to return). Pointing fingers in that direction everytime the bouy discussion comes up is a cheap attempt to move the focus.

Beast, You hit the nail on the head. Ollie is smart enough to leave this issue alone, it burns his ass that he has to defend bouy fishing in public. No doubt he has confronted Cliff for posting that picture in the first place. The brighter of the bunch don't want this discussed and because I call them on it, the attacks come my way.


What really pisses me off is the recreational fisherman who fought for years to protect this fish stock and now have whimped out when some of their own are starting up something that will revive the commercial harvest of swordfish in this area. Where is Mike Leech now? Where is Ron Coddington when his good friend Cliff is commercial fishing in the closed area? So this was never about swordfish? It was only a bycatch issue? What about the pre-closure stock assessments that indicated the fishery was decimated? That assessment was thrown on this forum everyday to get the LL out. Now it does not matter?


Get your story straight, are you worried about being able to swordfish in the future or watching turtles play on the surface? Bouys are friendly killing devices, thats a load of BS. Swordfish will have their hands full passing our waters with recreational rod and reel pressure alone. There is no room for commercial fishing in this area and it is hypocritical to allow it.


Just in case you did not hear me Ollie, NO COMMERCIAL FISHING IN THE CLOSED AREA. If it is continued to be permitted, then we may all join you. Stop it now before it gets carried away and I do not mean allow the few to reap from the ocean who have permits now. Close it for all or none.

[quack quack]

Keep the legal buoy gear and enforce the law for the illegal sale by unlicensed comm guys.If you are selling your fish without a permit you are a unlicensed commercial fisherman not a rec guy.A lot of those fish have been posted on this site and nobody yelled at that :shock: I worry more about that guy then a legal guy sharing a big fish pic he got.

[Broadbill-Pro]

Eric,

It's a snow ball rolling down hill, you are more optimistic than me that it will not become a big problem here. Permits are being bought for new operations and as long as one is permitted the illegals will have the foot in the door to deploy gear undetected.

Though Cliff and Ollie enjoy throwing darts at me, they should know that I would fight to protect their legal right to catch and sell swordfish. That does not intend that I believe commercial harvest should take place in the conservation area.

[quack quack]

Vinny I see your point but the fact is rec guy's sell more fish than all the buoy guy's put together.So even if they close the area to all comm fishing this illegal trade will continue :!: Kind of like a gun ban the criminals will still have guns and law abiding folks get the shaft :shock: The comm fish are counted to wards the quota the pirate fish are not.The fact's are plain and simple closing the area to comm fishing will not stop pirate fishing and if anything will increase it :shock:

[Broadbill-Pro]

I don't think it would increase the illegal sale of fish. If a no-tolerance stand is taken then local illegal fish buyers would know that a clear history must be attached to the purchase of a HMS product.

Yesterday I spoke to a legal local swordfish buyer, he mentioned that he was approached by a restuarant owner for product since his normal illegal vendor was unable to catch due to weather. He was told a price for a legal fish and laughed saying he can buy it for 1/3 that price from his guy. He walked out without buying, with tonights good weather he will have swordfish on the menu tomorrow.

[quack quack]

I thought it already was no tolerance :???: If any one buys swordfish from a unlicensed fisherman they are breaking the law.That restaurant owner is going to wish he paid up now because when (not if)he gets busted the fines and bad press will be much worse then paying a few bucks more now:shock:

Like I posted yesterday a LLer that came in to NY with 10,000lbs avg out at $1.50lb.If not for some nice tuna it would have been a broke trip The weather was right but after seeing the market price on the fish they are staying at the dock instead of going back out.

[PURPLE FEVER]

The bouy gear debate continues!! In a prior post Capt. Ollie claimed that only 3-4 commercial fishermen were licensed for bouy gear and 2-3 were actually doing it right with logbooks,reporting,etc. I did not feel that was a problem. I was venting my concerns with the rec guys fishing hand gear illegally. That was supposed to have been remedied with the "new rules" effective Nov.1. Last wed. was Nov. 1 and the problem was'nt solved!!There is probably as much bouy gear out there as rod &reels. When you look east of the 49 line its all strobe lights as far as you can see. Cliff, Ollie , and the rest of the "legal" guys know whats happening out here. I'm not going to name names but there are guys fishing hand gear that used to be rod and reel only, Maybe its more challenging, maybe its more productive,but its the goose thats going to kill the golden egg. There is way too much of this going on IT WILL AFFECT THE FISHING IN THE CLOSED AREAS. It has to stop. Unfortunately, the only way to police it is to ban bouy gear {commercial fishing devices} in the closed zone.Its nothing personal but you guys know whats going on.The partys over!!! YOU,RE ALL EXCELLENT FISHERMEN fish like John B catch them on rod & reel.

[The BEAST]

What abso-freakin-lutely kills me is the ho hum, lackadaisical, approach that most of the forum members take towards this. They think that the show of support at the NMFS meeting was a clear message. :lol: Guess again, those people didn't hear a word of it. We have allowed a select few to commercial fish in a NO commercial/restricted zone and the door is now flung wide open. More permits are being issued and more buoy gear will be evident as time goes by. Then we can dodge strobe lights all night while trying to find a spot that is clear enough to fish. Capt. Ollie and a few others may be nicer guys who set up away from the rec fisherman but I guarantee you the others coming in the future won't be as nice, as they fight for drift space. For those who think allowing ANY commercial harvest boats in the closed zone is OK, check you drain plugs because you left with one missing and your boat is sinking. We've been here before and we don't need mapquest to tell us where this road leads to.

Today is election day and over half of the registered voters will NOT attend the poles to vote. Instead they will beotch about the state of the union, after the fact. Our government is so good at manipulating this so-so lazy society of ours, and it is our own fault. It has become an "in your face" attitude with officials now, because we allowed it.

NO Commercial harvest in the closed zone, PERIOD! NO sale of Swordfish in the closed zone, PERIOD! That would help identify QQ's debate about illegal sale also. What is the reasoning behind the acceptance of a few individuals making thousands of $$$$ while infringing on the rights of others? The quota? Bullship! There meager poundage doesn't make a dent. It is about getting a commercial foot in the door.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST