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[catching]

Captain Jim,

You fish for profits right :?: need I say more

The whole chipping in for gas, bait, food, drinks thing makes us a somewhat charter operation we do not make any profits like you do, hell if anything we are loosing money every time we go, but we do it to relax and have a good time.

Thanks for the insults sorry you could not connect the dots on the whole catch and release thing

I have never taken home more than one swordfish since one legal Swordfish is plenty, and I usually do not stay all night trying to kill another Swordfish like you would on a paid charter.

BP,

I have the highest respect for you and you kin, and all charter captains as well. Like you have said before if it wasn't for you guys we would not have the great technology we have today for catching fish recreationally :thumleft: just think about what you are saying when you want all Commercial Sword Fishing Banned.

If you get rid of Buoy Gear these guys are still good enough to do it on Rod and Reel just like us and catch enough to stay profitable.

The simple fact is Charter guys might fish by the recreational rules but they do it just about everyday and most of them are very good at what they do get paid for their services and make profits. Which makes them Commercial Fisherman !

So if were to have all Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast you Charter guys would have to be included since you still catch and kill a hell of a lot more Sword Fish than I ever will in a year, month, week, night; and I do not think anyone wants to see that happen. So go ahead and get Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast it will only leave more for us Recreational/Weekend Warriors to catch.

[Colonel Klink]

So there it is.The last paragraph is the one that got my attention and made me decide to post one more time;even though I swore to myself that I wouldn't. So your position is to allow longlines north of Ft. Pierce and south of Key Largo? How is this going to help recreational swordfishing? That's like shutting down I-95 in Palm Beach to the north and Miami to the south. Commerce in the middle is going to be affected,no? These areas are funnels,choke points if you will. This is right out of Blue Water Fishermans playbook. Cause angst about the bouy gear with the recreational fisherman,then come in and save the day by saying that we will help you remove the bouy gear if you support shaving off the north and south end of the zones. Could you be anticipating this,which is why you are looking for a directed permit for your boat? The one with room for a longline reel and a grand in plugs? Joking,right?
I tended to disbelieve those stories circulating around about you stirring the pot at LP with Don, saying that if those "sporties" don't give US some of the zone WE will sue and take the whole thing.I now see how there could be some plausabilty with that. And for what reason would would you post that dolphin slaying video,and then try to make some connection with that and American commercial fishing? Is re-opening part of this area going to stop the slaughter in Japan?
Beast: I admire your (and Vinnies for that matter) willingness to watch these threads all day long.I know you will come back to this with "NO COMMERCIAL FISHING IN THE CLOSED ZONE,NO COMMERCIAL FISHING IN THE CLOSED ZONE,NO COMMERCIAL FISHING IN THE CLOSED ZONE". This is not a closed to commercial fishing area.It is closed to pelagic longlines.Look it up.
Blast away,Vinnie and Jim.I am done with this nonsense and will not respond. This is not the place to have commercial fishing ideals discussed. We will never agree, so what is the point? I just don't have all day to take potshots at others; even if I did ,I still wouldn't.
PEACE (I'm sure)

[rollin]

thanks NF - u are a true believer

meanwhile - NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR! NO BOUY GEAR!

clear enough? :shock:

why is BBP chiming in with such TOTALLY hypocritical statements such as " It is my opinion that from Marathon to Fort Pierce should be deemed a recreational catch area only." AND "If I decide to bouy fish, it would be to recover the costs of the new vessel and have fun. I have gainful employment and do not need fish money to survive." in the same post?

i dont see a problem with charter guys - they are a large part of the positve economic impact of the recreational sector - they are as conservation minded (mosty) as most private guys as the more fish there are to catch, the more successful their business will be - no brainer. =D>

its only the true commercial fishermen that will take as much fish as allowed by law, (and in some cases MORE) - thats right, i said it, i think that theres probably as much poaching going on on the commercial side as the rec. side - that are decimating fish stocks.

they are just chomping at the bit to get the LLs back in here, to get the gill net ban lifted, to get more and more and more and more fish from the sea and could apparantly care less if they fish the ocean clean as long as it means more $ in their pocket.

cmon guys - is there anyone out there who thinks that if there was no regulations for comm. fishermen, there'd be no fish left sooner or later?

HA!

R

[flounder pounder]

To the tards that want to ban charter fishing for swords. Do you think since you can afford a boat and all the gear neccessary for swordfishing , that you have a right to catch them and the public who wants to pay for just a one night trip does not have that right?

[Shark Tagger]

Originally Posted by catching

The simple fact is Charter guys might fish by the recreational rules but they do it just about everyday and most of them are very good at what they do get paid for their services and make profits. Which makes them Commercial Fisherman !

So if were to have all Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast you Charter guys would have to be included since you still catch and kill a hell of a lot more Sword Fish than I ever will in a year, month, week, night; and I do not think anyone wants to see that happen. So go ahead and get Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast it will only leave more for us Recreational/Weekend Warriors to catch.

Come on now. This is getting out of control. The charter guys dont swordfish everyday (not even close), and they catch fish and "don't" catch fish just like us. They provide a great service, putting people without boats on fish. Or people who just want to have a good time and catch some fish.

Comparing a charter rod/reel boat to a longline or handgear boat is dumb. No matter what, a charter boat can put 3 fish at most in the boat per night.

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by catching

Captain Jim,

You fish for profits right :?: need I say more

Oh yeah, Dude, I'm just rolling in money. I tow my boat with a Lexus and my Sunday go to church car is a Mercedes. You have no clue. I drive a 1993 Chevy truck with a messed up drivers side door and have to crawl acrossed the seat to get in. I would tell you all about my profits but I have to get a paper towel to wipe the tears of laughter first. Do you think I have a computer on my boat, too? You have illusions of grandeur, and your idea of charter fishing is more like delusional. Why do you think most charter captains have another job?

The whole chipping in for gas, bait, food, drinks thing makes us a somewhat charter operation we do not make any profits like you do, hell if anything we are loosing money every time we go, but we do it to relax and have a good time.

So does that mean you have somewhat of a captains license, somewhat of a business license, somewhat of the permits? When the fishing sucks you can go home. I have to spend the rest of the day hunting fish, burning gas, bait and trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Why don't you tell me about losing money. You would crap your britches if you just looked at my bills. :lol:

I have never taken home more than one swordfish since one legal Swordfish is plenty, and I usually do not stay all night trying to kill another Swordfish like you would on a paid charter.

Me either! My last Sword charter was a month ago and we kept one fish and only fished for an hour. THEY called it off. That makes a total of 2 or 3 kept fish since 2001.

The simple fact is Charter guys might fish by the recreational rules but they do it just about everyday and most of them are very good at what they do get paid for their services and make profits. Which makes them Commercial Fisherman!

Everyday, profits!?! Still no clue!

So if were to have all Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast you Charter guys would have to be included since you still catch and kill a hell of a lot more Sword Fish than I ever will in a year, month, week, night; and I do not think anyone wants to see that happen. So go ahead and get Commercial Sword Fishing Banned off our coast it will only leave more for us Recreational/Weekend Warriors to catch.

If you want to count head to head then for every 20 different fisherman I take on my boat then count 20 different fisherman of your choice . In my last 6 day trips I kept 26 Dolphin with 18 different anglers. That is 1.45 Dolphin per angler per trip, not a limit of 10 each. If you have personally caught 1 swordfish you have caught one more Swordfish than me. I have only caught 13 Sailfish in my life and until last month on my trip to N.C. (I got one) my last wahoo was in 1990.

I really don't know why I answered your post. You really are in a fantasy land. Most of us charter captains that don't have an SPL to sell our catch would rather keep only what the customer can practically take and consume. Cleaning fish at the end of the day is just one more thing, we would rather not have to do before we can go home.

I am having a hard time with myself right now. I am trying to figure out why I am wasting my time on this BS with you. Maybe the forum will go back to only the really important questions at hand, like, what color lights do you prefer, what # test leader do you use, and should I dye my squid checkerboard or paisley? That always makes for some intellectual reading.

Sorry Klink, I don't feel like playing anymore.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST
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[catching]

Ok Jim, enough is enough

Yes I know that Charters, and LLing are not the same thing not even close, but they are considered in the eyes of the law to be Commercial Fishermen.

So if we were to ban all commercial Sword fishing, Charters could and might be included. When we say things we need to be clear about what we are saying.

Keep the PLLing out and do not include in one lump by using the word Commercial Fishermen.

I do not want to see anyone loose their livelihoods over this, but please make sure if you write to anyone to ban commercial Sword fishing use the terms Keep the PLL'ers out of the closed zones and we need to drop the whole commercial fishing term all together.

Sorry if I upset any charter guys but this was the point I am trying to make hear

:salut:

[jerry]

I kinda like the paisley color myself. Anyone have any tips on how to do the checkerboard. That sounds like an interesting scheme.

[Shark Tagger]

Originally Posted by jerry

I kinda like the paisley color myself. Anyone have any tips on how to do the checkerboard. That sounds like an interesting scheme.

Hey Jerry, we havent heard many sword reports for you in a while? any news off jamaica?

[quack quack]

Read my new thread

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by catching

Ok Jim, enough is enough

Yes I know that Charters, and LLing are not the same thing not even close, but they are considered in the eyes of the law to be Commercial Fishermen.

So if we were to ban all commercial Sword fishing, Charters could and might be included. When we say things we need to be clear about what we are saying.

Keep the PLLing out and do not include in one lump by using the word Commercial Fishermen.

:salut:

Winding down.... You see Bro, that is where you fall short. We are not considered commercial fisherman we are considered a commercial for hire, and only because we charge money to rent our boat and services, hence the tag name, "charter boat". The renters/leasee are the anglers. They need the fishing license, not me, although I carry a blanket license for them, of course. That is why we must abide by recreational rules. Now if the captain has an individual or vessel SPL, then he is in fact, a commercial fisherman, because he is licensed to sell his catch and doesn't need to abide by recreational catch limits.

I am a charter boat!

Sea ya later, I need a break from this BS! My vote is for a laser beam light, 3/16th aircraft cable, and checkerboard squid dye.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[jerry]

ST, whats happening? About time we all lightened up. Not much here to report. I wonder if the 17 fish we caught last year was all a mirage as we have not hooked into anything the past dozen or so trips except them nasty escolars. Partly my fault though as we keep going back to the same place over and over. Trying to plan a trip for this Friday and we for sure will be drifting some new water.
Keep tight and keep light, lifes too dam short.

Beast, how about some instructions on the checkerboard deal

[The BEAST]

jerry,

It's very simple. It requires a roll of 1/2" - 1" masking tape depending on how big you want the checker blocks and some red and black dyes. The paisley is harder requiring an air brush.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[Broadbill-Pro]

Gear attached to a vessel with a maximum length of say 300 yrds (without fish attached) is in my opinion recreational gear. Charter boats fall into that catagory.

The Marathon to Ft. Pierce comment was only indicated due to the narrowness of the fish traffic zone. The more intelligent get my drift.

Colonel are your paranoid? My interest in all of this is no more than yours. When are you guys going to lay off the secret agenda shit? As for my connection with L/P, it goes back to their beginning. Don and I have been friends long before he worked there and we have fished in several countries together. I stir the pot most places I go, L/P is just one of them. Maybe you will be lucky enough to hear one of my presentations at Boyles someday.

A very good friend (that you all know) told me a few days ago not to take any of this serious and I don't. For the last month many of you have had nothing to write about, now that the wind is blowing we could all use some entertainment.


On your last comment, this is not the place to discuss commercial fishing ideals, you should kiss my ass to be able to have the accurate information about that sector of the industry, otherwise you would still be living in the dark with Mike Leech. I have in the past offered to answer any question regarding LL, since the rest of my ex-comrades think you and your forum are a joke, be happy I offer anything and endure your heckling.

[Tuna Devil]