How do you tie a waxwd line loop on mono, that won't slide?

[Dick_Formula233]

I'm new to Swording, next Wed. night will be my first try at it.

How do you guys attach your balloons/floats to the mono? I've heard the idea of tying a waxed line loop to the mono at 200' or 250' etc., depending on how deep you want that bait to be, and attaching the balloon to the loop. I have not been able to tie a waxed line loop on 80lb mono, that doesn't slide down the mono with very little coaxing.

I've figured out how to fasten weights anywhere I want on the mono, by taking 8-10 wraps around the mono with a #64 rubberband and stretching the tag end back over the weight (just like a tag line).

I can't figure out how to attach a balloon with just a #64.

Any help?

[quack quack]

Do the same as the weight just make the tag end of band a cinch loop and put the end of ballon in

[CHRIS]

Just use a bunch of overhands and snug them tight and use a little zap (like superglue but for fishing so a bunch more $) to make them solid.

Hey, that's a good question is there any difference between them? I have always used ZAP but it smells and runs just like Krazyglue

Chris

[captadamr]

Im pretty sure they are both CA (Cyanoacrylates). We use them in R/C aircraft. CA comes in 3 diffrent viscositys, thin, medium and thick.

[JupiterSailfish]

Originally Posted by CHRIS

(like superglue but for fishing so a bunch more $)

:roflmao:

I use flyhead cement on my wax loops and they last for a quite a few trips.

[Flatsfish B]

I do about 8-10 half hitches one way, then go over the line and do 8-10 the opposite way.

I have a video of how to attach the ballon let me see if i can find it.

[just2fish]

Originally Posted by captadamr

Im pretty sure they are both CA (Cyanoacrylates). We use them in R/C aircraft. CA comes in 3 diffrent viscositys, thin, medium and thick.

bsi and tiano zap both have a flexiable version. it's in the pink bottle. captadamr do you fly....

[captadamr]

Used to fly ALLOT, but not so much anymore. Stil have my Kyosho Chooper and .46 SU-31. Had to sacrfice one thing for another :sad:

[Nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Dick_Formula233

I've figured out how to fasten weights anywhere I want on the mono, by taking 8-10 wraps around the mono with a #64 rubberband and stretching the tag end back over the weight (just like a tag line).

I can't figure out how to attach a balloon with just a #64.

Any help?

Don't use wax line, just use the #64 do the "sliding loopy thingy" in the rubberband, above the knot in the balloon, it will chinch up against knot. It will hold fine.
I think I remember a video clip Nick C did, that showed it.
It's best not to have permanent wax loops on your line, although many do.

[JupiterSailfish]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter

It's best not to have permanent wax loops on your line, although many do.

Why is that? Sorry, just wondering.

[Dick_Formula233]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter

Don't use wax line, just use the #64 do the "sliding loopy thingy" in the rubberband, above the knot in the balloon, it will chinch up against knot. It will hold fine.
I think I remember a video clip Nick C did, that showed it.
It's best not to have permanent wax loops on your line, although many do.

Yeah... Why not, and I have no idea what you mean by "sliding loopy thingy" Is it like a reciprocating gristle-pin oscillator?

Where might I find a video clip?

[Verado06]

we need to get some video going on this site... i'll see if I can help out next time we go fishing.

Tell the wind gods to stop blowing please -

[Nightfighter]

Originally Posted by JupiterSailfish

Why is that? Sorry, just wondering.

Here are a few:
1. Wax line loops and markers look like small eels or bait that toothy fish and squid snap at, cutting through the line.
LP light, wind-on, snap swivel, leader, hook, 50 ft. to 400 ft. of line all gone.
2. Over time you will be cutting off line, as it chaffs. Standard procedure to keep fresh, good line. You should be constantly checking the line as it passes through your fingers, for nicks, each time when you reel them in. The permanent loops will then be random depths, as bad line is removed.
3. Salt buildup in the wax line loops.

[Another Grand]

Nightfighter......I am disagreeing with you on that note. I think the difference is night and day but it is personal opinion. Wax loops allow you to get in the zone and then adjust quickly and efficiently. I have my jug rods marked in 25' increments throughout the rods. This means that if I get two bites on my 150' rod......I can then switch my whole spread to 125,150, 175.......using a tip to probe above it and a tip to probe below it. If I get a bite and I am using wax loops I can instantly put a bait out to the exact same depth. It is also alot easier to tell somebody go to the third wax loop than tell them to let it down 150'.

Several half hitches on either side will work so long as they are tight. There is a thread on here about how to do them and a couple people gave some different ways.

Same disclaimer as always.

Johnny

[Another Grand]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter

Here are a few:
1. Wax line loops and markers look like small eels or bait that toothy fish and squid snap at, cutting through the line.
LP light, wind-on, snap swivel, leader, hook, 50 ft. to 400 ft. of line all gone.
2. Over time you will be cutting off line, as it chaffs. Standard procedure to keep fresh, good line. You should be constantly checking the line as it passes through your fingers, for nicks, each time when you reel them in. The permanent loops will then be random depths, as bad line is removed.
3. Salt buildup in the wax line loops.

Just to keep the debate going.....

1. You are dead on.....I have a squid jig and squid sabiki, yet I have never caught a squid on either. I have caught three squid total, each one was on a wax loop.
2. It is easy to cust off line.....take it off in 100 ft increments and add another wax loop another 100' deep.
3. Salt builds up yes......but #64 rubberband will damage your line as well and leave a sticky residue.

This is what I have learned.......rubberbands and ballons are both plastic and will go bad......in the winter when its rougher they will pop and break and false alarm.

Either way......everybody is entitled to their own opinion and I still fish both ways all the time

[Flatsfish B]

Here is the video I made a while back. I will be making some new video soon with Tek, The very end should help you see the slip knot. slide that over the bottom and tighten, good luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRdDaOmnyo8

[Broadbill]

I think wax loops are the only way to go. Just tie a series of half hitches on both sides of the loop as tight as you can and it won't go anywhere. For those of you putting different kinds of glue on your loops over mono, bad idea. Zap, crazy glue etc. are all terrible on mono and break it down (you can see it become cloudy). It seeps through the loop and weakens the mono underneath. If you tie the loop properly it will not slide and you will not need glue. Another really good way to make loops is to take a piece of dacron about 4-5" long and lay it along side (parallel) of your main line and then take wax line and half hitch each end of the dacron. This way it lays tight against the main line and goes through your guides smoothly (since the loop is flat instead of sticking up like a wax loop. This way takes a little longer but if you ever tuna fish or anything else with the same rods, it is much better than having a loop trolling through the water. It will last a lot longer as well because it is not slamming through your guides every time you fight a fish or bring in a bait.

[Broadbill]

Sorry, as far as attaching the balloon to the loop, we take a piece of dacron about 10-12" long and tie it to the bottom of the balloon. The other end is then tied to (I think a # 12) cheap eagle claw snap swivel. Take a pair of dykes and snip the little catch off the swivel so it opens easily when pulled on. You then simply snap the swivel to the loop and send you balloon out. When a fish eats it pulls down the snap opens and the rest is up to you. We usually make a hundred of the little releases at a time and keep them in a bag ready to go. We have tried wire, rubber bands, etc, etc and this works the best for us. Hope this helps, I'm sure you will hear 1000 other ways to do it, try a few and see what you like best! Good luck!

[JupiterSailfish]

Hmm, that Dacron idea seems pretty cool! Rough weekend = time to try something new.

Thanks Nightfighter

[Dick_Formula233]

Originally Posted by Flatsfish B

Here is the video I made a while back. I will be making some new video soon with Tek, The very end should help you see the slip knot. slide that over the bottom and tighten, good luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRdDaOmnyo8

Much Gracias Flats... this is the answer I was looking for. I've decided I'm going to mark the line with dental floss and attach the balloons with rubberbands.