What is this?

catching · 10-09-2006, 09:38 AM

Hey Caught this in the dip net, thought it might be a sail without a bill but it had little sharp teeth, and was missing the lower peck fin's.

Any thought's.

Shark Tagger · 10-09-2006, 09:45 AM

not sure what that one is.. there is a post around here of the juvenile photos... i'll see if I can find it.

catching · 10-09-2006, 09:58 AM

I saw those pics already but at the stage they get the fin, they have a bill, unless that is assuming what they look like since it is a drawing and not a photo.

Shark Tagger · 10-09-2006, 10:06 AM

Ya, tough call. my guess would also be a sailfish. cool little sucker.

Broadbill · 10-09-2006, 10:31 AM

Both blue and white marlin have a sail when they are that size. Blues have no bill at first and small teeth, when they get larger they develop a bill and their dorsal gradually transform from a sail to a pointed pec fin. That's my guess. You can do a search on juvenile blue marlin and it should have some pics.

Colonel Klink · 10-09-2006, 10:36 AM

Hard to tell. Although it has some characteristics of a juvenile blue marlin, I would hazard a guess that it is a baby lancetfish.I have seen quite a lancets,but they were not as tiny as that one.
Just for the record,a baby blue marlin will not have as well formed of a bill at that size of a baby sailfish, but still has a large sail type dorsal such as that one.The dead giveaway of a tiny blue marlin is a chain type lateral line.This is very evident on fish that size.The lateral line looks kind of like elongated olympic rings.
Hope this helps.Thanks for sharing the cool pic.

Verado06 · 10-09-2006, 10:36 AM

True. I have seen baby blue marlin with sails. I would have to say blue marlin on this also.

Duke · 10-09-2006, 10:42 AM

Really looks like a baby Lancet...DUKE

catching · 10-09-2006, 10:54 AM

Baby White Marlin below, guessing those little guys we catch out there are white marlin and not sails. Still trying to find the Blue Marlin

catching · 10-09-2006, 11:05 AM

Larve Blue but this is all I could find.

hannaman · 10-09-2006, 11:56 AM

It could be a Wahoo.

Boboe · 10-09-2006, 12:03 PM

That first photo is a probably a LANCETFISH. We call them "sail cudas" jokingly, because that's what you'd get if a sailfish got it on with a cuda

Uncle Buck · 10-09-2006, 12:04 PM

Yes, though to tell. But I'm leaning towards Lancetfish too.

RiskTaker · 10-09-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by catching

Hey Caught this in the dip net, thought it might be a sail without a bill but it had little sharp teeth, and was missing the lower peck fin's.

Any thought's.

Somone was on the VHF last night and said they tagged a baby billfish. If I recall a piece of #9 wire. Any corellation?

Sword Donkey · 10-09-2006, 12:23 PM

Whatever it is, it's prob. dead from you handling it.

on deck · 10-09-2006, 12:33 PM

That was us that "tagged" the little guy last night. Actually caught 2 different ones. Funny that they are the first ones I have netted and both in the same night. Sadly those were the only billfish (or fish of any sort) that we were able to catch. 3 slashed baits and that is all. Perfect night though.

catching · 10-09-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sword Donkey

Whatever it is, it's prob. dead from you handling it.

It swam away just fine, it was holding on to my finger tip when released. That is how I know it had sharp little teeth.

flounder pounder · 10-09-2006, 02:50 PM

I have found when they are that small the only real way to be sure of the species is to taste it.

10-09-2006, 09:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,553	What is this? Hey Caught this in the dip net, thought it might be a sail without a bill but it had little sharp teeth, and was missing the lower peck fin's. Any thought's.

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10-09-2006, 09:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 921	not sure what that one is.. there is a post around here of the juvenile photos... i'll see if I can find it.

10-09-2006, 09:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,553	I saw those pics already but at the stage they get the fin, they have a bill, unless that is assuming what they look like since it is a drawing and not a photo.

10-09-2006, 10:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 921	Ya, tough call. my guess would also be a sailfish. cool little sucker.

10-09-2006, 10:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
Broadbill Hooked Up Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ft. Pierce, Fl Posts: 328	Both blue and white marlin have a sail when they are that size. Blues have no bill at first and small teeth, when they get larger they develop a bill and their dorsal gradually transform from a sail to a pointed pec fin. That's my guess. You can do a search on juvenile blue marlin and it should have some pics.

10-09-2006, 10:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
Colonel Klink Lines In Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 96	Hard to tell. Although it has some characteristics of a juvenile blue marlin, I would hazard a guess that it is a baby lancetfish.I have seen quite a lancets,but they were not as tiny as that one. Just for the record,a baby blue marlin will not have as well formed of a bill at that size of a baby sailfish, but still has a large sail type dorsal such as that one.The dead giveaway of a tiny blue marlin is a chain type lateral line.This is very evident on fish that size.The lateral line looks kind of like elongated olympic rings. Hope this helps.Thanks for sharing the cool pic.

10-09-2006, 10:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
Verado06 Hooked Up Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Miami and New Orleans Posts: 483	True. I have seen baby blue marlin with sails. I would have to say blue marlin on this also.

10-09-2006, 10:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Duke Hooked Up Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 271	Really looks like a baby Lancet...DUKE

10-09-2006, 10:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,553	Baby White Marlin below, guessing those little guys we catch out there are white marlin and not sails. Still trying to find the Blue Marlin

10-09-2006, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,553	Larve Blue but this is all I could find.

10-09-2006, 12:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	That first photo is a probably a LANCETFISH. We call them "sail cudas" jokingly, because that's what you'd get if a sailfish got it on with a cuda

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10-09-2006, 12:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
Uncle Buck Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boat in Boynton / Home In Boca Boat: Sailfish 218CC Best Catch: 350+ Mako Occupation: Graphic Designer Posts: 2,024	Yes, though to tell. But I'm leaning towards Lancetfish too.

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Sword Donkey Lines In Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Around 1,200 feet of water off Miami Boat: Killing and Releasing Sword Donkies Occupation: Salesman Posts: 91	Whatever it is, it's prob. dead from you handling it.

10-09-2006, 12:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
on deck Lines In Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ft lauderdale, fl Boat: fishing Occupation: restaurant manager Posts: 62	That was us that "tagged" the little guy last night. Actually caught 2 different ones. Funny that they are the first ones I have netted and both in the same night. Sadly those were the only billfish (or fish of any sort) that we were able to catch. 3 slashed baits and that is all. Perfect night though.

10-09-2006, 02:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
flounder pounder Lines In Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 42	I have found when they are that small the only real way to be sure of the species is to taste it.