Commercial Fisherman?? You tell me!

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

what part of that statement deals with the conservation of a species? i thought that was what recreationals where fighting for???


if you are telling us that all the participants in that tournament are commercial fisherman (which could be true as they are fishing for monetary gain), then I may agree with you.

OH PLEASE!!! Come up with something new! Arguing semantics is getting old and boring! I know... I know... You're still feeding those 300 million Americans (9.4% of which are unemployed) $18/lb Swordfish steaks.

[Ambitious]

Yeah we really need to stop the needless slaughter of one, once in a lifetime, near record trophy fish, that will fix everything. I just sat in my living room and watched one PLL harvest what, 18,000 pounds of swords in 4 days. Of all the moron threads I have read here, this has to be tops!

[WhItEoUt 23]

Somebody has to help fill that QUOTA RIGHT..........

[Unreel]

I got a assignment today for English class to right a documented essay a augmentative essay with two sides to the story and we can write it on anything we want. Im glade i have been reading this forum cause you guys have provided plenty of information thanks

[Broadbill-Pro]

Originally Posted by Ambitious

Yeah we really need to stop the needless slaughter of one, once in a lifetime, near record trophy fish, that will fix everything. I just sat in my living room and watched one PLL harvest what, 18,000 pounds of swords in 4 days. Of all the moron threads I have read here, this has to be tops!

Don't be so selective in your reading, you forgot about the 400 white marlin and couple dozen blues that are caught each year to get to that one trophy fish.

FYI, 18,000# of sword generates +/-36,000 meals at $20 a plate. One vessel in four days fishing adding $720,000 to the economy. Fishing tournaments benefit a select few in the local economy, but the lions share of the proceeds are given back to their own through awards.

My point is that one is no better than the other, if you think so then your a hypocrite.

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Don't be so selective in your reading, you forgot about the 400 white marlin and couple dozen blues that are caught each year to get to that one trophy fish.

FYI, 18,000# of sword generates +/-36,000 meals at $20 a plate. One vessel in four days fishing adding $360,000 to the economy. Fishing tournaments benefit a select few in the local economy, but the lions share of the proceeds are given back to their own through awards.

My point is that one is no better than the other, if you think so then your a hypocrite.

Funny how YOUR selective memory neglects to add the 40,000+ "dead discards" produced by PLL that benefit absolutely nobody, in no way, not one dollar! You have the hutzpah to question the efficiency of live release mortality in sport fishing?

Post the link to this tournament that had 400 White Marlin catches and 24 Blue Marlin catches in the North Atlantic! I fished the '07 Big Rock in Moorehead City, NC, which is a major Marlin tournament on the east coast and the numbers were nowhere near those that you fabricated! This year that tournament had 2 Marlin kept that met a 400# 110" criteria and released 79 Blues, 46 Whites, and 15 Sailfish. 175 boats caught 142 fish in a 6 day tournament. That equals a daily average of less than 24 fish, or less than 1 fish per boat for 6 days of fishing!

Gimme a break! Do you just make this crap up, as you go?

Your figures are imaginary and unrealistic! 18,000 pounds of cored Swordfish in no way, shape, or form, can come even remotely close, to 36,000 meals. Even the bus boy at the restaurant knows that a pound of any wholesale meat, dressed for preparation, does not yield 2 portions. Maybe you were thinking of Vinnie and Jim, diet sized, portions for $20 a plate. No need to discuss this. Pure fabrication!

I think the hypocrite point took very little thought! No? Wouldn't the hypocritical finger be pointed more toward the guy who has an unlimited daily bag limit, crying foul, to the guy who can only keep 4 fish! BTW... if we need to reach this quota SO BAD... why DOES the recreational angler have any bag limits at all???? Who are the hypocrite's?

[Harry Klauber]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Don't be so selective in your reading, you forgot about the 400 white marlin and couple dozen blues that are caught each year to get to that one trophy fish.

FYI, 18,000# of sword generates +/-36,000 meals at $20 a plate. One vessel in four days fishing adding $360,000 to the economy. Fishing tournaments benefit a select few in the local economy, but the lions share of the proceeds are given back to their own through awards.

My point is that one is no better than the other, if you think so then your a hypocrite.

Vinnie,
Just to keep the numbers straight +/-36,000 meals at $20 per plate is $720,000 not $360,000 as you stated - okay just a math error. I'm not wading in on this fight- just keeping the numbers straight. Harry

[Broadbill-Pro]

BEAST: Post the link to this tournament that had 400 White Marlin catches and 24 Blue Marlin catches in the North Atlantic!

Gimme a break! Do you just make this crap up, as you go?


This year's (2008) Open proved to be one of the most exciting and memorable in the tournament's 35 year history. With 365 whites (95.6% of which were released), 26 blues (23 of which were released) and more winners than ever before due to the new Daily Meat Fish category, the 35th Annual White Marlin Open will not soon be forgotten.

Marlin - 35th Annual White Marlin Open a success


Nice to see that I have waken the BEAST!


Now please provide us with the link to 40,000+ dead discards from our domestic PLL fleet. Please don't insult us by using a publication associated with recreational fishing or Ron Coddington, how about a NMFS link from actual log books.

Swordfish has about an 80% after core yield, if you like I can recalculate the figures for you, maybe Harry can do that for me.

Harry please post the figures, but use an average of 40,000 pounds per vessel core weight for Grand Banks voyages. The number of boats would be sketchy, let's say 30 boats from 1980 to 1995 and half that until 2006. Since 2006 the fishing has been good enough off Georges Bank that many of the boats do not make the trip far East anymore.


SORRY HARRY!!! Let's not forget each boat make 3 Banks trips per summer, plus 9 other months with about half that production.

[Broadbill-Pro]

Originally Posted by The BEAST

Post the link to this tournament that had 400 White Marlin catches and 24 Blue Marlin catches in the North Atlantic! I fished the '07 Big Rock in Moorehead City, NC, which is a major Marlin tournament on the east coast and the numbers were nowhere near those that you fabricated! This year that tournament had 2 Marlin kept that met a 400# 110" criteria and released 79 Blues, 46 Whites, and 15 Sailfish. 175 boats caught 142 fish in a 6 day tournament. That equals a daily average of less than 24 fish, or less than 1 fish per boat for 6 days of fishing!

Gimme a break! Do you just make this crap up, as you go?

Here are this years (2009) numbers right off the White Marlin Open web-site:

370 White Marlin

34 Blue Marlin

1 Sailfish

2 Spearfish

LINK BELOW:



White Marlin Open

[Harry Klauber]

Swordfish has about an 80% after core yield, if you like I can recalculate the figures for you, maybe Harry can do that for me.

Harry please post the figures, but use an average of 40,000 pounds per vessel core weight for Grand Banks voyages. The number of boats would be sketchy, let's say 30 boats from 1980 to 1995 and half that until 2006. Since 2006 the fishing has been good enough off Georges Bank that many of the boats do not make the trip far East anymore.[/SIZE]


SORRY HARRY!!! Let's not forget each boat make 3 Banks trips per summer, plus 9 other months with about half that production.[/QUOTE]

Vinnie, I am making 3 assumptions. One is that the 9 month period yields a total of 1/2 the catch that the 3 trips in 3 months does, you want total weight of fish caught not core weight but I will provide both, and a core is about 80% of the total weight of the fish - is that correct?

40,000 core weight/trip x 3 trips = 120,000#/ boat
120,000#/boat x 30 boats x 15 years = 54 million # core weight or 67,500,000# whole uncored fish - at 80% core yield
These numbers are for 3 months of fishing. Since you said the remaining 9 months yields 50% of the 3 months. Adding the remaining 9 months at 50% we get
67,500,000 x 1.5 = 1,012,500,000 whole weight

For the second set of years
40,000 core weight/trip x 3 trips = 120,000#/boat
120,000#/boat x 15 boats x 11 years = 19,800,000# core weight or 24,750,000# whole uncored fish
These numbers are for 3 months of fishing. Adding 50% for the remaining 9 months we get
24,750,000 x 1.5 = 37,125,000 whole weight

Grand Total is 1,012,500,000 + 37,125,000 = 1,312,031,000 Pounds.
I don't know what point you were trying to make and see you edited the 360,000# error. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time but just keeping the numbers straight. You and The Beast can get in the trenches over this one. He is out Cubera fishing again tonight. He had a slammer trip last night. I "think" my math is correct. I've had a long day and am tired so don't crucify me if I made a mistake. Harry

[TTesterman]

In Jamaica a man goes out off Port Antonio he catches fish for a living and he can catch more blue marlin than most of us! They will eat it! all the fish in the stores come from fishermen. some good some bad. a blue marlin tournament brings fishermen together and a bunch of families also. why not tag a blue at 600 points and a 600lbs + 1 point per lb kill tournament?? Opps did I cross a line? you say put a price on them ... uhhh yep I did ... simple logic and some people need to accept that there are more fished killed off Zane Gray reef by longlinners n a week than we kill a year on the east coast and Islands... more sharks, whites , they do eat their turtles! we have come a long way in conservation but try not to start wearing girllie pants now. I have not ever seen a blue go to waste by the way... people cut them up and eat them. science gets a boost with a fish also ... now compare that to pulling just 10 miles of gear a long time ago... that big fish hanging fed some people ....but also helped generate biz. for marinas locals etc.. the guy out there on the longline rig getting bounced around & not seeing his girl or kids working his butt off and trying to take care of fish and turtles is feeding your family or friends somewhere. two sides to this if you look at the BIG picture... rant on about the things that are really wrong guys...

[Broadbill-Pro]

Com'on Beast, just when I was feeling the love you clam up!

[Aquaholic]

heres the marlin from the original post. getting filleted...hence it was not killed for no reason.

[Uncle Buck]

That's some gray-lookin' meat. If I didn't already know marlin tasted good, I'd be skeptical of eating it.

[GT Fish]

Originally Posted by Aquaholic

heres the marlin from the original post. getting filleted...hence it was not killed for no reason.

Is that a chic? Tranny?

[NightCrawler]

just looks grey next to his bleach blond hair. For a sec I thought
it was the surfer from swords on the line

[PURPLE FEVER]

Last Monday night Diners ,Drive-ins and Dives! Smoked Blue Marlin Dip at the Blue Marlin Smokehouse and grill North Miami!

[NightCrawler]

Originally Posted by GT Fish

Is that a chic? Tranny?

You like what you see?

[GT Fish]

Originally Posted by NightCrawler

You like what you see?

Hell no! I like my Trannys looking better than that..

[Uncle Buck]

I prefer my trannys to look more like this...

[Ambitious]

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

Don't be so selective in your reading, you forgot about the 400 white marlin and couple dozen blues that are caught each year to get to that one trophy fish.

FYI, 18,000# of sword generates +/-36,000 meals at $20 a plate. One vessel in four days fishing adding $720,000 to the economy. Fishing tournaments benefit a select few in the local economy, but the lions share of the proceeds are given back to their own through awards.

My point is that one is no better than the other, if you think so then your a hypocrite.

It is always the same with you guys, farmers of the sea, who sold you the exclusive rights to the farm? Anyway, I am not saying there should not be commercial fishing. It should be done in a sustainable fashion that's all.

On the BS you started:

I used to live near Cape May, the tournaments and sportfishing in general have a huge benefit to that area. More so in Florida. I agree with you on a lot of what you say and have friends that commercial fish but to point at one hung fish and say there is some slaughter going on is ridiculous. My buddy just won the small boat division in a recent NC marlin tournament. I believe every white (there were a pile of em) were released (they had 5 in an outboard, not tooo shabby).

[Broadbill-Pro]

[QUOTE=Ambitious;122964]who sold you the exclusive rights to the farm? QUOTE]

Great comment, I wonder if it can be used in regard to recreational fishing?

Last I checked commercial fisherman were not calling for the elimination of recreational fisherman. I don't see where anyone except recreational fisherman are asking for the exclusive right.

You missed my point if you think I was pointing a finger at the marlin slaughter, yes 400 fish in 1 tournament is a slaughter to use your words. Point is we all are guilty, regardless if we kill to pay our mortgage or to hang a flag in the riggers. The division in our fishing sectors makes us look foolish in international eyes.

Lastly, swordfish have "recovered" in the past 9 or 10 years, that tells us that the fishery is being managed beyond sustainable. Please correct me if I am getting something wrong.

[Ambitious]

O.k. , you win.....I sent you a P.M...

[Disco Lady]

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck

I prefer my trannys to look more like this...

Ñooooooooooo!!!

[Captain Juan]

That's actually the inside of the new Daiwa MP 3,000,000!

It's the whale wars edition.

J

[Harry Klauber]

Originally Posted by Captain Juan

That's actually the inside of the new Daiwa MP 3,000,000!

It's the whale wars edition.

J

Juani,
Best post in the thread. I loved it - the Daiwa 3,000,000 - "Whale Wars Edition" - Priceless!!! Harry

[Broadbill-Pro]

Originally Posted by Captain Juan

That's actually the inside of the new Daiwa MP 3,000,000!

It's the whale wars edition.

J

Is that the model with the optional laser?

[reel life]

[QUOTE=Broadbill-Pro;122996
Lastly, swordfish have "recovered" in the past 9 or 10 years, that tells us that the fishery is being managed beyond sustainable. Please correct me if I am getting something wrong.[/QUOTE]

how is that working for blue fin tuna? and yet the PLL`s want to keep more.

[Uncle Buck]

It's actually a cut-away view of a 2009 Subaru WRX STi transmission... but the Daiwa reference was funnier! Good one Juani!

[Broadbill-Pro]

Originally Posted by reel life

how is that working for blue fin tuna? and yet the PLL`s want to keep more.

Longlines are not asking to kill more Bfin, they are asking to be able to retain more of what is already being killed and discarded each year. Our self regulation requires PLL to sink about 90 tons of Bluefin per year that are counted against our ICCAT quota.

The 1 or 2 additional tuna will be bycatch in relation to the amount of swordfish onboard, the idea is to promote larger swordfish catches in order to retain the more valuable tuna.


I have to say that it is getting old always being the asshole on this site, but you guys really don't have the facts straight. Many recreational reps have this information, but refuse to post the truth.