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CARBEN COPY · 04-24-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lopezmj10

This may sound crazy but by this time next year (and possibly sooner) gas proces will be much lower. It's simple supplyand demand. Everyone in this country (unless you're a millionaire) has altered their fuel consumption as a result. Either by trading in the big suv for a smaller compact suv, or others have bought hybrids and still others have switched to commuting on scooters. At the same time you have the big push for alternative fueled vehicles and the automakers building more fuel efficient vehicles. Others simply don't drive as much, or don't go fishing as often, if they do they fish inshore or in closer. For example, I decided to go spearfishing at the patch reefs only 4 miles out as opposed to going further out or dolphin fishing this weekend. I also decide to spearfish because I would not have to spend money on bait since fuel was more expensive. At the same time the whole "green" movement is also reducing oil consumption.

That whole scenario alone reduces demand. Add to that the fact that some of the wells in Alaska that were considered dried up are actually being tapped again thanks to modern technology and oil fields in the Arctic Ocean once considered unreachable are also being explored thanks to modern technology.

The biggest factor will come when the people have had enough. We as a country have just about reached that point then add all the above mentioned factors and our dependence on oil will decline. When it all blows up the same thing will happen with oil that happened with the housing market. The same thing happened in the 70's with the oil crisis

Like everything excessive or addictive you have to hit rock bottom before you get back up.

JMHO.

DISAGREE:

We as a nation have already curtailed our consumption. It's a sad day, they just keep raising and raising with no good reason. Our mid east neighbors are in the pits buying oil and gas futures like there's no tomorrow. There's speculation for 150-200 a barrel right now. I agree with your thought process 100% unfortunately the rational does not seem to matter

NightCrawler · 04-24-2008, 09:24 AM

Heard a guy call in on a morning radio show and say: "Obama will have the oil prices back under 2$ within 6 months of his presidency"

If that's true, I say Obama for President!!! ANd sh#t while you're at it, go ahead and fill his cabinet with all the Jamos he wants!!!

Sec of State wright

But that's really not the topic of this thread Quack wants to know if it has affected fishing habits...Not mine, not yet.

Quack how about you?? Have you cut down?

quack quack · 04-24-2008, 09:24 AM

T Boone says $150 a barrel.

quack quack · 04-24-2008, 09:41 AM

I have been fishing less then a year ago but only because I am getting stuff done and ready for my hunt camp.That fuel bill will be $200 round trip to drive there and back.

freezorburn · 04-24-2008, 09:55 AM

This shit has to stop, The cost of fuel is insane. Here in New jersey Many people have spent $8,000 heating there homes this past winter!

$100 fill-ups arrive at gas pumps - CNN.com

quack quack · 04-24-2008, 10:16 AM

What run away inflation looks like in Africa.Coming soon to a gas station near you.

I bet you 10 camels we can get oil to $100 a barrel.

quack quack · 04-24-2008, 10:19 AM

Ron Mexico · 04-24-2008, 11:25 AM

I went out 70 + miles on Sunday on a buddies 38 Jupitor with trip 250's. Tried to give him some money for gas, but he declined several times. I think he felt sorry for me since I actually sell boat. I then went out yesterday 70+ miles, in my 23 contender w/ twin suk 140's. Burned around 80 gal @ $3.50.00 per $280.00 split 3 way. That's still affordable, maybe my boat will even go up in value. The problem with the bigger outboard powered cc and express boats is not that people can't afford them it is the gas and finding a crew that can afford to chip in. The only good I see coming from higher fuel pices is less presure on the fish. On a different note using tools like hitons and roff's will go a long ways in helping us locate some fish and there fore making each trip more productive.

NightCrawler · 04-24-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Mexico

The problem with the bigger outboard powered cc and express boats is not that people can't afford them it is the gas and finding a crew that can afford to chip in.

What is the fuel burn on a boat rigged with trips?
I know for sure that i have one of cheapest gigs in town.
Minutes to the inlet, burn 27 gallons on a average swordtrip and divided
by 3 guys that's about 30 bucks. One brings the ice, one brings the

and one brings the bait and this is something that you
can do twice a week easily.
I get alot of invites, but it's gotten to the point where I just rather
fish my boat!!
Any takers??

quack quack · 04-24-2008, 02:14 PM

Disco Lady · 04-24-2008, 02:24 PM

COÑO!!!!!!!

::

F@#ck this gas shit!

freezorburn · 04-24-2008, 02:38 PM

Disco Lady · 04-24-2008, 08:30 PM

FB

thats funny shit!

B767 · 04-24-2008, 08:46 PM

Harry Klauber · 04-24-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocean Outlaw 420

Yep,four years ago it was around $1.25 for commercial diesel and the year before that it was around a dollar.I started commercial fishing 5 years ago and fish prices haven't changed much.You can't fish closer to shore if the fish aren't there,you still have to go where ever they are.

I think there should be a national strike on fuel!It is rediculous.

My uncle runs a big machine shop up here in Jville and does bearings for ships sometimes.He was talking with one of the owners of a container ship and he told them they burned around 10,000 gallons of fuel per day!

I was chief engineer on a 1000 foot long steamshhip for 33 years. Our fuel consumption at normal operational speed was just over 1000 BBL a day - that's over 42,000 gallons a day but we didn't care as we were on charter and the charterer paid for the fuel. You get one guess who we were chartered to. Boy you are a smart bunch - of course - UNCLE SAM!

Harry Klauber · 04-24-2008, 10:00 PM

Quack Quack knows of whom I speak. We have a mutual friend that was innovative enough to build a commercial fishing sailboat over 20 years ago. He fishes the canyons from Montauk every summer and does 90% of his time on the water under sail. He also catches a lot of tuna. Maybe the lesson here is we all might need to just SLOW DOWN a bit if we ever want any relief. By any standard all of our boats are inneficient fuel burning pigs. Sure one might burn less than another but a BAD car might get 8-10 MPG and a GREAT boat might get 3 MPG. How about the ones that get under 1 MPG. Our addictions are expensive and it's going to get worse. The country has to collectivley cut back our energy consumption and we all have to give up something to get us there.

If you want to figure out just how inefficent your boat really is use nautical calculations and figure out your boats "slip" - not where you dock it but the difference in engine miles vs traveled miles as a percentage of engine miles. An example - engine RPM 4500, gear reduction 1.5:1 - thus your prop is turning at 3000 RPM. Multiply 3000 by the pitch of your prop and that is the "theoretical distance at 100% efficiency that your boat should move every minute. If your outboard's prop has a 19" pitch that means the prop at 100% efficiency should move your boat 4750 feet per minute or almost exactly .9 miles per minute which calculates to 54 miles per hour. At 4500 RPM if your boat makes about 32 MPH your efficiency is 32 divided by 54 which is about 60%. In running those 32 miles you might burn say 32 gallons of gas which means you get about 1 mile per gallon. Most consider that pretty good - I think that's pretty inefficent. Wednesday I elected to fish in 10 feet of water in Biscayne Bay never more than 6 miles from the marina rather than spend the $ to chase dolphin offshore. Three of us caught 6 keeper grouper and released at least 15 more on less than 20 gallons of gas. It was the alternative to staying home and turned out to be a great day. No slammer dolphin to report but a great day on the water with a couple of friends.

This forum is both unique and excellent as it has a diverse group that brings different opinions and ideas to the table. There are many in this group that are good friends. As a start I don't think anyone should be fishing with less than a comfortable group aboard their boat. If you can fish with four than make sure you have four when you leave the dock. It's better to have four on one boat than 2 each on 2 boats. It's not much to ask and at least we might feel as if we are doing something. The answer shouldn't be "I can afford it so who cares" but rather what about the poor guy that struggles to put gas in his car so he can just make it back and forth to work. Hang on as it's not going to get any better unless we all start doing something and that might just mean sacrifices. Everyone acknowledges that most hate to sacrifice but it's getting to the point where we really don't have any other choice.

Harry Klauber · 04-24-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baldurs390

i wish it was only 315k. i am on the frances fleet
Welcome To Frances Fleet-New England's Premier Fishing Fleet

If your boats are "typical" 85 foot Lydia's they are probably powered with older Detroits or Cats. Someone might consider re-powering as my buddy in Montauk on the Marlin Princess (also an 85 foot Lydia with a pair of 8-92 Detroits) says this is his last season as the only trips he can make money on are high paying charters. His "open boat business" is all but dead as no one wants to drive from the city to Montauk. With 15 fares he used to be able to break even and now he needs 30 to do that. It's a sad plight when it's all you've done all your life but fuel costs are going to force many out of the business. And by the way - you folks are well known to run a first class operation.

Disco Lady · 04-25-2008, 12:10 PM

COÑO!!!!!!

I'm the poor guy that cant afford it.But i'm still going........

any way you look at it.

. By the way they do this shit! every summer.

Cheers,DL

weekendbender · 04-25-2008, 01:27 PM

Make that $119.00+ per barrel today!

Bill Fisher · 04-25-2008, 02:59 PM

There ain't no stoping this shit. As long as these idiots keep speculating the oil is going to continue to rise. OPEC even said it was all speculation and that there was no reason on why the oil keeps going up. Yea the demand has gone up but not to the extreme that we have to pay 5 dollars a gallon its ridiculous.

04-24-2008, 09:24 AM	#42 (permalink)
NightCrawler Hooked Up Join Date: May 2005 Location: pompano Boat: fishing Posts: 473	Heard a guy call in on a morning radio show and say: "Obama will have the oil prices back under 2$ within 6 months of his presidency" If that's true, I say Obama for President!!! ANd sh#t while you're at it, go ahead and fill his cabinet with all the Jamos he wants!!! Sec of State wright But that's really not the topic of this thread Quack wants to know if it has affected fishing habits...Not mine, not yet. Quack how about you?? Have you cut down? __________________ A long life may not be good enough, but a good life is long enough.

04-24-2008, 09:24 AM	#43 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	T Boone says $150 a barrel. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-24-2008, 09:41 AM	#44 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	I have been fishing less then a year ago but only because I am getting stuff done and ready for my hunt camp.That fuel bill will be $200 round trip to drive there and back. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-24-2008, 09:55 AM	#45 (permalink)
freezorburn Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey\Key Biscayne, FL Boat: "Norson" Custom Canaveral 28' Pilot House Best Catch: They where all the Best! Occupation: Programmer\Construction Work Posts: 325	This shit has to stop, The cost of fuel is insane. Here in New jersey Many people have spent $8,000 heating there homes this past winter! $100 fill-ups arrive at gas pumps - CNN.com __________________ "The Sea Love Those Only Who Fear It"--KBYC-- Capt. Ken of the "NORSON" Last edited by freezorburn : 04-24-2008 at 09:58 AM.

04-24-2008, 10:16 AM	#46 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	What run away inflation looks like in Africa.Coming soon to a gas station near you. I bet you 10 camels we can get oil to $100 a barrel. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-24-2008, 10:19 AM	#47 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	__________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-24-2008, 11:25 AM	#48 (permalink)
Ron Mexico Lines In Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange Beach, AL Boat: 23 contender "Riden Dirty" Best Catch: double breast bed thrasher Occupation: Advertising Posts: 17	I went out 70 + miles on Sunday on a buddies 38 Jupitor with trip 250's. Tried to give him some money for gas, but he declined several times. I think he felt sorry for me since I actually sell boat. I then went out yesterday 70+ miles, in my 23 contender w/ twin suk 140's. Burned around 80 gal @ $3.50.00 per $280.00 split 3 way. That's still affordable, maybe my boat will even go up in value. The problem with the bigger outboard powered cc and express boats is not that people can't afford them it is the gas and finding a crew that can afford to chip in. The only good I see coming from higher fuel pices is less presure on the fish. On a different note using tools like hitons and roff's will go a long ways in helping us locate some fish and there fore making each trip more productive.

04-24-2008, 02:14 PM	#50 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	__________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-24-2008, 02:24 PM	#51 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,609	COÑO!!!!!!! :: F@#ck this gas shit!

04-24-2008, 02:38 PM	#52 (permalink)
freezorburn Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey\Key Biscayne, FL Boat: "Norson" Custom Canaveral 28' Pilot House Best Catch: They where all the Best! Occupation: Programmer\Construction Work Posts: 325	__________________ "The Sea Love Those Only Who Fear It"--KBYC-- Capt. Ken of the "NORSON"

04-24-2008, 08:30 PM	#53 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,609	FB thats funny shit!

04-24-2008, 08:46 PM	#54 (permalink)
B767 Hooked Up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Miami Boat: VSC, Old Hatt Occupation: Bus Driver Posts: 401	__________________ Life on the water is good, and beer makes it better

04-24-2008, 10:00 PM	#56 (permalink)
Harry Klauber Hooked Up Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Miami Boat: 284 Mako Best Catch: Blue Fin Tuna - 1049 Pounds Occupation: Retired USCG Unlimited HP Chief Engineer Posts: 202	Quack Quack knows of whom I speak. We have a mutual friend that was innovative enough to build a commercial fishing sailboat over 20 years ago. He fishes the canyons from Montauk every summer and does 90% of his time on the water under sail. He also catches a lot of tuna. Maybe the lesson here is we all might need to just SLOW DOWN a bit if we ever want any relief. By any standard all of our boats are inneficient fuel burning pigs. Sure one might burn less than another but a BAD car might get 8-10 MPG and a GREAT boat might get 3 MPG. How about the ones that get under 1 MPG. Our addictions are expensive and it's going to get worse. The country has to collectivley cut back our energy consumption and we all have to give up something to get us there. If you want to figure out just how inefficent your boat really is use nautical calculations and figure out your boats "slip" - not where you dock it but the difference in engine miles vs traveled miles as a percentage of engine miles. An example - engine RPM 4500, gear reduction 1.5:1 - thus your prop is turning at 3000 RPM. Multiply 3000 by the pitch of your prop and that is the "theoretical distance at 100% efficiency that your boat should move every minute. If your outboard's prop has a 19" pitch that means the prop at 100% efficiency should move your boat 4750 feet per minute or almost exactly .9 miles per minute which calculates to 54 miles per hour. At 4500 RPM if your boat makes about 32 MPH your efficiency is 32 divided by 54 which is about 60%. In running those 32 miles you might burn say 32 gallons of gas which means you get about 1 mile per gallon. Most consider that pretty good - I think that's pretty inefficent. Wednesday I elected to fish in 10 feet of water in Biscayne Bay never more than 6 miles from the marina rather than spend the $ to chase dolphin offshore. Three of us caught 6 keeper grouper and released at least 15 more on less than 20 gallons of gas. It was the alternative to staying home and turned out to be a great day. No slammer dolphin to report but a great day on the water with a couple of friends. This forum is both unique and excellent as it has a diverse group that brings different opinions and ideas to the table. There are many in this group that are good friends. As a start I don't think anyone should be fishing with less than a comfortable group aboard their boat. If you can fish with four than make sure you have four when you leave the dock. It's better to have four on one boat than 2 each on 2 boats. It's not much to ask and at least we might feel as if we are doing something. The answer shouldn't be "I can afford it so who cares" but rather what about the poor guy that struggles to put gas in his car so he can just make it back and forth to work. Hang on as it's not going to get any better unless we all start doing something and that might just mean sacrifices. Everyone acknowledges that most hate to sacrifice but it's getting to the point where we really don't have any other choice.

04-25-2008, 12:10 PM	#58 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,609	COÑO!!!!!! I'm the poor guy that cant afford it.But i'm still going........ any way you look at it. . By the way they do this shit! every summer. Cheers,DL

04-25-2008, 01:27 PM	#59 (permalink)
weekendbender Hooked Up Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Boat: Contender 25' Twin 200 Yamis Best Catch: Never enough Occupation: 401k Sales Posts: 116	Make that $119.00+ per barrel today! __________________ A man's got to believe in something, I believe I'll go fishing.

04-25-2008, 02:59 PM	#60 (permalink)
Bill Fisher Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami Boat: 61 Viking "Moma" Occupation: E-commerce Posts: 229	There ain't no stoping this shit. As long as these idiots keep speculating the oil is going to continue to rise. OPEC even said it was all speculation and that there was no reason on why the oil keeps going up. Yea the demand has gone up but not to the extreme that we have to pay 5 dollars a gallon its ridiculous.