Not that I care...... - Page 2

Swording123 · 09-24-2007, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broadbill-Pro

No electric reels, what the difference if it's caught on the bottom?

I agree... I think pulling on a swordy on the bouys takes more skill than pushing a button on an electric...

lcosta02 · 09-24-2007, 06:22 PM

Electric reels should never be allowed in tournaments. It goes against the very grain of fishing.

Rod, reel, and endurance are fishing. Not sitting down pushing a button.

Relentless33 · 09-24-2007, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcosta02

Electric reels should never be allowed in tournaments. It goes against the very grain of fishing.

Rod, reel, and endurance are fishing. Not sitting down pushing a button.

Unless it is a deep drop tourney (tiles, snapper, etc.)

I think all of the sword tourney shouldn't even consider allowing electrics.

WhItEoUt 23 · 09-24-2007, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cutler

certainly not a bad idea...

Great idea but i still love the night time a whole lot less sweat love the idea i think the keys is haveing a 36 hour tourney in october

Ron.38 Special · 09-24-2007, 07:08 PM

OK
So you can cheat if you want......

But seriously, does anyone get any satisfaction over cheating there way into the winnings?

I guess there are always some people that value money over morals so it will happen in sword tournaments and others.

It is interesting tht anyone with negative comments about the daytime tounament are people who didn't come to the meeting and didn't see the rigs. The funny thing is the "secret rig" is very similar to what I was trying before I saw someone elses rig.

Look, we know daytime swording with an electirc reel will never get your name in the record books, but neither will catching a 300 # core on a buoy.

Everyone in this hobby/business of swordfishing is dying to catch one in the daytime, since there is nothing like seeing a swordy jump in broad daylight.

And for you buoy guys, when you get the deep drop weight to the boat, you still have to handline in another 100 or more feet of line so I guess we become handline fisherman once they hit the boat.

And for everyone out there, if catching 700#'s plus of fish in one tournament isn't a sign of extreme experience with these fish, then you can kiss my .....

BP has shown his many years of expertise paid off in this tournament and I would venture to guess that he has wired more fish than everyone on this forum combined.

This day tournament was a benchmark in swordfishing and will go down in the record books.

OK, so how many of you buoy guy's are trying to figure out how to handle 1600' of handline?

And something else, ... The Swordfish Club is the major player and political arm of the recreational swordfishing community. We have dedicated ourselves to the politics of swordfishing, and we have spent a lot of money and time to protect this fishery. We encourage and enjoy other swordfishi clubs and fishing clubs in the area, but if you recreational swordfish, you owe it to yourselves and the fishing community to stay intouch with the swordfish club.

We are the Blue Water Fishermen's Association of the recreational swordfishing community!

(Didn't know where else to rant, so I did it here!)

Thanks Mike for the forum!

Now shut up and go swordfishing!

Uncle Buck · 09-24-2007, 07:10 PM

Anyone thinking that electric fishing is just "pushing the button" has no clue. There are a thousand other variables to landing a big fish than just cranking the handle. Hell, sometimes it seems like the angler has the easiest job.

But go ahead, disallow electric reels in daytime sword tournaments. While we're at it, let's make fighting from the rod holder illegal too.

Swording123 · 09-24-2007, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcosta02

Electric reels should never be allowed in tournaments. It goes against the very grain of fishing.

Rod, reel, and endurance are fishing. Not sitting down pushing a button.

Right on... I agree 100%....

"Uncle Buck Anyone thinking that electric fishing is just "pushing the button" has no clue. There are a thousand other variables to landing a big fish than just cranking the handle. Hell, sometimes it seems like the angler has the easiest job.

But go ahead, disallow electric reels in daytime sword tournaments. While we're at it, let's make fighting from the rod holder illegal too."

I believe when IGFA rules apply in a tournament it is illegal to catch fish in a rod holder that is in a fixed position... like in the gunwhale...

Uncle Buck · 09-24-2007, 07:39 PM

Correct. But are there any pure IGFA-legal swordfish tournaments?

Nick C · 09-24-2007, 07:42 PM

Miami Swordfish tournament.

Another Grand · 09-24-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron.38 Special

OK
So you can cheat if you want......

But seriously, does anyone get any satisfaction over cheating there way into the winnings?

My friend, this is South Florida. Nobody wants to think that cheating exists, but it does and will continue to. Again, people can have superb morals and ethics, but it only takes one bad apple. It is honestly a good question, what do people get satisfaction out of in winning a sword tournament?

I guess there are always some people that value money over morals so it will happen in sword tournaments and others.

I agree....and that is all I am saying.....it was a little easier to enforce without the daytime perspective. This post was simply questioning how others thought that tournaments might adjust to react to this.....nothing more nothing less.

It is interesting tht anyone with negative comments about the daytime tounament are people who didn't come to the meeting and didn't see the rigs. The funny thing is the "secret rig" is very similar to what I was trying before I saw someone elses rig.

Nobody has anything negative to say about daytime swording. I havent scene one comment that was negative about daytime swording. Some have questioned what the draw is but nobody said anything negative. It is a great thing because it allows us to learn more about the fish.

Look, we know daytime swording with an electirc reel will never get your name in the record books, but neither will catching a 300 # core on a buoy.

I dont think anybody is arguing that. Ask some of those boys in the Keys, from what I understand the record would have been broken but that is second hand info so I cannot vouch that. Its funny that you compare handlining a fish with pressing a button, I dont see what the comparison is for but you are entitled to say whatever you want.

Everyone in this hobby/business of swordfishing is dying to catch one in the daytime, since there is nothing like seeing a swordy jump in broad daylight.

Agree to that, except maybe 300lbs Tuna flying all around the boat

And for you buoy guys, when you get the deep drop weight to the boat, you still have to handline in another 100 or more feet of line so I guess we become handline fisherman once they hit the boat.

There are a hundred way to catch the swords on the bottom. I thought it was funny that everybody wanted some secret instead of just going out there and using there heads. Point is, not all the rigs I have scene had to be handlined

And for everyone out there, if catching 700#'s plus of fish in one tournament isn't a sign of extreme experience with these fish, then you can kiss my .....

Vinnie is the man, no two ways about that.

BP has shown his many years of expertise paid off in this tournament and I would venture to guess that he has wired more fish than everyone on this forum combined.

I would venture to guess that too

This day tournament was a benchmark in swordfishing and will go down in the record books.

Obviously. The tournament was insane, the fact that 13 boats fished and two 95" got caught is rediculous. Wait till people get it down more, its gonna be crazy. Not sure if I think the electic reel thing will stick, hopefully, methods will change to keep it "fishing" tournament and not "harvesting" tournament....the thread was pertaining to how the tournaments formats may have to be adjusted

OK, so how many of you buoy guy's are trying to figure out how to handle 1600' of handline?

Ollie was just telling me he figure it out....he went to tell me how, and then a Gerbil ran by and off went Ollie

And something else, ... The Swordfish Club is the major player and political arm of the recreational swordfishing community. We have dedicated ourselves to the politics of swordfishing, and we have spent a lot of money and time to protect this fishery. We encourage and enjoy other swordfishi clubs and fishing clubs in the area, but if you recreational swordfish, you owe it to yourselves and the fishing community to stay intouch with the swordfish club.

Most definitely, for life brother

We are the Blue Water Fishermen's Association of the recreational swordfishing community!

I agree you are the far right. Bluewater is the far left. Some of us would like to take a middle ground and worry about the fish, and not recreation vs. commercial. Is that OK with you?

(Didn't know where else to rant, so I did it here!)

I dont know what you are ranting about. This thread was for thought on how the tournaments would react. As to what I think you are venting about.....You got on here and gave people the perception that they were paying $15 to find out the secret. If you would have told people $15 mandatory donation for satellite tagging and to cover expenses you wouldnt have had a problem, but you didnt do that.
Thanks Mike for the forum!

Thanks Mike

Now shut up and go swordfishing!

I tuna fish

We dont sell tackle. We dont run fishing clubs. We are not pushing political agendas. We dont run tournaments(anymore) We are not in this for anything else than fishing. This is a fishing website to talk about fishing......some of you get upset when things get said because you have a vested interest in other aspects whether it is political or financial. We dont, thus we discuss and say what we want as long as you dont get outside the confines to the point where you are being libelous which has been done on here. Alot of things are said joking around, here is a good example "lucky sperm special olympics" .......I mean seriosly, its poking fun at the thought of reeling in a swordfish with a button. The truth of the matter is, as Buck said, there is alot of skill involved, at least moreso than one would think.

Again, not sure what you are venting about?

Skip Smith · 09-24-2007, 08:24 PM

Swordfish Club Meeting - Wed. Sept 19

The club has always charged for guests. We did post it and answered the question on this above thread.

Another Grand · 09-24-2007, 08:45 PM

Skip,

The point is this......you guys are completely right to charge $15 to cover expenses, to raise money, etc.

When the thread was started which caused so much problems it was because:
1) you told people at the meeting that were on the internet, not to put it on the internet (which is totally understandable but comes off wrong) They then relayed that message

2)On the troublesome thread, Ron said you have an agreement with Mike to take the rig down if it gets posted {again, comes off wrong)

3)On the same thread, Ron gave the impression that it was $15 to learn the secret not to cover costs or raise money (again comes off wrong)

I dont care either way, it has no relation to this thread

Nothing personal. I understand why you would not want your rig on here. But Ron has a way of not coming off right, even when I think he means well. People were offended by the manner in which it came across not the $15 or the daytime swordfishing.

Its ok guys, take a deep breath....everything is ok.

Daytime swordfishing is gonna be sick once people figure it out, it puts a whole twist on everything and I threw some questions out there to see what people thought.

UFCroft · 09-24-2007, 09:03 PM

With regards to the electrics, if it's, "As easy as pushing a button.?" Why were 80% of the fish that were hooked up, lost during the tournament on Saturday? Regardless of just cranking on a fish, how many fish at night have been lost due to unforeseen circumstances (no way angler could have done much of anything to fix). It's the same as daytime. Fish do crazy things, if it was easy, there would be no fish left because would have all outsmarted them already. Electrics or not, fishing is still fishing.

On a side note, if people put as much thought into a rig as they do wandering the internet, they'd probably figure out a way to catch one in the daytime. And if they spent even more time trying it, they'd figure out a way that works. After all, that is what the people that have figured out succesful ways of doing it have done. 15 dollars or not, if someone tells you how to do something, you usually have go try it many times before you get it right anyway, and usually end up throwing in your own adaptation of it.

DIRTYFOOT2 · 09-24-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck

Anyone thinking that electric fishing is just "pushing the button" has no clue. There are a thousand other variables to landing a big fish than just cranking the handle. Hell, sometimes it seems like the angler has the easiest job.

But go ahead, disallow electric reels in daytime sword tournaments. While we're at it, let's make fighting from the rod holder illegal too.

Didn't think I implied that.The reply was in reference to a previous post about a 24 hour tourney, and how fair it would be to have RR guys competing w/ button pushers. Regardless its always more sporting to go toe to toe, or fin to hand as it were. Not poopooing on the deep drop. toast: or the boat handling skills needed to pull off a succesful deep drop. IMO you'd have to seperate the two for a sporting event

Skip Smith · 09-24-2007, 10:13 PM

[quote=Another Grand;66981]Skip,

The point is this......you guys are completely right to charge $15 to cover expenses, to raise money, etc.

When the thread was started which caused so much problems it was because:
1) you told people at the meeting that were on the internet, not to put it on the internet (which is totally understandable but comes off wrong) They then relayed that message

We (the directors) never said that. One guest who was sharing his experiences about day-time swordfishing did said that you shouldn't tell anyone.

I never say what Ron wrote or heard that he said that. I'll ask him about that.

It wasn't our rig, it was RJ's rig. If he wants to draw it up, he can do whatever he wants with it.

Vinnies catch was quite impressive. There are still some nice ones out there.
I guess they've seen too may lightsticks near the surface over the years.

Uncle Buck · 09-25-2007, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick C

Miami Swordfish tournament.

Oh. Okay. So, how do they regulate it? Observers?

The BEAST · 09-25-2007, 06:30 AM

This "secrecy" thing really cracks me up. This is nothing new. They have been doing this in Venezuela for over a decade. The techinique has been well known for at least that long. The only difference is in personal preference as to where you fish or how you get your baits to the bottom and back.

quack quack · 09-25-2007, 09:08 AM

BP has shown his many years of expertise paid off in this tournament and I would venture to guess that he has wired more fish than everyone on this forum combined.

I would argue that one.It is hard to wire fish from the bridge.

I think TD and Myself would be equal to him but only because we were always on deck

Any way Ron I have a problem with you saying the sword club is THE MAJOR PLAYER AND POLITICAL ARM of all rec swordfisherman.BS BS BS.You are forgetting about every one on this forum the other forum TBF,RFA and so on.Almost every one on this forum sent letters,emails,called NMFS,NOAA,Congressmen and so on.You are not the only rec person on the whole AP panel.We talked alot on the phone about things so you know I am right.But you have been getting on SFC to get support to do away with buoy guys.WHY WHY WHY?I know you want to get NMFS to let all rec guys sell fish legally.That is a bad thing because the first time a rec guy sells a fish he is now a commercial fisherman.He is not a rec guy that sells fish he is a commercial fisherman with no say in rec fishing.Period end of story no gray area a commercial fisherman.Besides any one from up North nows what the blue fin fleet looked liked when every one started selling those fish..

You think the 50 is crowded with buoys.Imagine a 100 boats on every good night 7 days a week.Guy's would flood down here to fish for them.Guys in 20ft CC to 70ft battle wagons would be out there to put a little extra coin.Now with the day fishing it could be round the clock.I will say it again if a rec guy sells a fish he is now a commercial fisherman with NO say in rec fishing matters.

So Ron do not claim that you and the club are the only ones protecting this fishery.That is the attitude that has kept many people from joining the club.

So stop dividing us as club guys,forum guys,buoy guys and so on.We all are the same and you need to realize that.

09-24-2007, 06:22 PM	#22 (permalink)
lcosta02 Hooked Up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Coral Gables, FL Boat: Cabo 35' Exp Occupation: Marine Division Manager Posts: 140	Electric reels should never be allowed in tournaments. It goes against the very grain of fishing. Rod, reel, and endurance are fishing. Not sitting down pushing a button. __________________ Costa Oil--- www.costaoil.com 2004 35 Cabo Express 2007 33 Invincible "All I know is that I know nothing." -Socrates

09-24-2007, 07:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
Uncle Buck Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boat in Boynton / Home In Boca Boat: Sailfish 218CC Best Catch: 350+ Mako Occupation: Graphic Designer Posts: 1,725	Anyone thinking that electric fishing is just "pushing the button" has no clue. There are a thousand other variables to landing a big fish than just cranking the handle. Hell, sometimes it seems like the angler has the easiest job. But go ahead, disallow electric reels in daytime sword tournaments. While we're at it, let's make fighting from the rod holder illegal too. __________________ 2007 TBF Top Swordfish Tagging Angler, Atlantic Uncle Buck Graphic Arts, LLC Graphic Design Services for the Boating/Fishing Industry

09-24-2007, 07:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
Uncle Buck Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boat in Boynton / Home In Boca Boat: Sailfish 218CC Best Catch: 350+ Mako Occupation: Graphic Designer Posts: 1,725	Correct. But are there any pure IGFA-legal swordfish tournaments? __________________ 2007 TBF Top Swordfish Tagging Angler, Atlantic Uncle Buck Graphic Arts, LLC Graphic Design Services for the Boating/Fishing Industry

09-24-2007, 07:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,095	Miami Swordfish tournament. __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

09-24-2007, 09:03 PM	#33 (permalink)
UFCroft Lines In Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Fort Lauderdale/Bahamas Boat: Yellowfin, Contender, Jim Smith, it depends. Best Catch: 66" Daytime Pacific Sword, 74" Daytime Atlantic Sword Occupation: Mate Posts: 44	With regards to the electrics, if it's, "As easy as pushing a button.?" Why were 80% of the fish that were hooked up, lost during the tournament on Saturday? Regardless of just cranking on a fish, how many fish at night have been lost due to unforeseen circumstances (no way angler could have done much of anything to fix). It's the same as daytime. Fish do crazy things, if it was easy, there would be no fish left because would have all outsmarted them already. Electrics or not, fishing is still fishing. On a side note, if people put as much thought into a rig as they do wandering the internet, they'd probably figure out a way to catch one in the daytime. And if they spent even more time trying it, they'd figure out a way that works. After all, that is what the people that have figured out succesful ways of doing it have done. 15 dollars or not, if someone tells you how to do something, you usually have go try it many times before you get it right anyway, and usually end up throwing in your own adaptation of it. __________________ UFCroft .: Fish Mercenary :.

09-24-2007, 07:08 PM	#25 (permalink)
Ron.38 Special Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 217	OK So you can cheat if you want...... But seriously, does anyone get any satisfaction over cheating there way into the winnings? I guess there are always some people that value money over morals so it will happen in sword tournaments and others. It is interesting tht anyone with negative comments about the daytime tounament are people who didn't come to the meeting and didn't see the rigs. The funny thing is the "secret rig" is very similar to what I was trying before I saw someone elses rig. Look, we know daytime swording with an electirc reel will never get your name in the record books, but neither will catching a 300 # core on a buoy. Everyone in this hobby/business of swordfishing is dying to catch one in the daytime, since there is nothing like seeing a swordy jump in broad daylight. And for you buoy guys, when you get the deep drop weight to the boat, you still have to handline in another 100 or more feet of line so I guess we become handline fisherman once they hit the boat. And for everyone out there, if catching 700#'s plus of fish in one tournament isn't a sign of extreme experience with these fish, then you can kiss my ..... BP has shown his many years of expertise paid off in this tournament and I would venture to guess that he has wired more fish than everyone on this forum combined. This day tournament was a benchmark in swordfishing and will go down in the record books. OK, so how many of you buoy guy's are trying to figure out how to handle 1600' of handline? And something else, ... The Swordfish Club is the major player and political arm of the recreational swordfishing community. We have dedicated ourselves to the politics of swordfishing, and we have spent a lot of money and time to protect this fishery. We encourage and enjoy other swordfishi clubs and fishing clubs in the area, but if you recreational swordfish, you owe it to yourselves and the fishing community to stay intouch with the swordfish club. We are the Blue Water Fishermen's Association of the recreational swordfishing community! (Didn't know where else to rant, so I did it here!) Thanks Mike for the forum! Now shut up and go swordfishing!

09-24-2007, 08:24 PM	#31 (permalink)
Skip Smith Lines In Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pompano bch, Fl Posts: 80	Swordfish Club Meeting - Wed. Sept 19 The club has always charged for guests. We did post it and answered the question on this above thread.

09-24-2007, 08:45 PM	#32 (permalink)
Another Grand Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 963	Skip, The point is this......you guys are completely right to charge $15 to cover expenses, to raise money, etc. When the thread was started which caused so much problems it was because: 1) you told people at the meeting that were on the internet, not to put it on the internet (which is totally understandable but comes off wrong) They then relayed that message 2)On the troublesome thread, Ron said you have an agreement with Mike to take the rig down if it gets posted {again, comes off wrong) 3)On the same thread, Ron gave the impression that it was $15 to learn the secret not to cover costs or raise money (again comes off wrong) I dont care either way, it has no relation to this thread Nothing personal. I understand why you would not want your rig on here. But Ron has a way of not coming off right, even when I think he means well. People were offended by the manner in which it came across not the $15 or the daytime swordfishing. Its ok guys, take a deep breath....everything is ok. Daytime swordfishing is gonna be sick once people figure it out, it puts a whole twist on everything and I threw some questions out there to see what people thought.

09-24-2007, 10:13 PM	#35 (permalink)
Skip Smith Lines In Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pompano bch, Fl Posts: 80	[quote=Another Grand;66981]Skip, The point is this......you guys are completely right to charge $15 to cover expenses, to raise money, etc. When the thread was started which caused so much problems it was because: 1) you told people at the meeting that were on the internet, not to put it on the internet (which is totally understandable but comes off wrong) They then relayed that message We (the directors) never said that. One guest who was sharing his experiences about day-time swordfishing did said that you shouldn't tell anyone. I never say what Ron wrote or heard that he said that. I'll ask him about that. It wasn't our rig, it was RJ's rig. If he wants to draw it up, he can do whatever he wants with it. Vinnies catch was quite impressive. There are still some nice ones out there. I guess they've seen too may lightsticks near the surface over the years. Last edited by Skip Smith : 09-24-2007 at 10:15 PM.

09-25-2007, 06:30 AM	#37 (permalink)
The BEAST Charter Captain Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Miami/upper Keys Boat: 2007 WorldCat 330TE / 300 Suzuki's Best Catch: every catch is my best catch Occupation: charter captain Posts: 767	This "secrecy" thing really cracks me up. This is nothing new. They have been doing this in Venezuela for over a decade. The techinique has been well known for at least that long. The only difference is in personal preference as to where you fish or how you get your baits to the bottom and back. __________________ Capt. Jim, The BEAST 2007 WorldCat 330TE / 300 Suzuki's

09-25-2007, 09:08 AM	#38 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,425	BP has shown his many years of expertise paid off in this tournament and I would venture to guess that he has wired more fish than everyone on this forum combined. I would argue that one.It is hard to wire fish from the bridge. I think TD and Myself would be equal to him but only because we were always on deck Any way Ron I have a problem with you saying the sword club is THE MAJOR PLAYER AND POLITICAL ARM of all rec swordfisherman.BS BS BS.You are forgetting about every one on this forum the other forum TBF,RFA and so on.Almost every one on this forum sent letters,emails,called NMFS,NOAA,Congressmen and so on.You are not the only rec person on the whole AP panel.We talked alot on the phone about things so you know I am right.But you have been getting on SFC to get support to do away with buoy guys.WHY WHY WHY?I know you want to get NMFS to let all rec guys sell fish legally.That is a bad thing because the first time a rec guy sells a fish he is now a commercial fisherman.He is not a rec guy that sells fish he is a commercial fisherman with no say in rec fishing.Period end of story no gray area a commercial fisherman.Besides any one from up North nows what the blue fin fleet looked liked when every one started selling those fish.. You think the 50 is crowded with buoys.Imagine a 100 boats on every good night 7 days a week.Guy's would flood down here to fish for them.Guys in 20ft CC to 70ft battle wagons would be out there to put a little extra coin.Now with the day fishing it could be round the clock.I will say it again if a rec guy sells a fish he is now a commercial fisherman with NO say in rec fishing matters. So Ron do not claim that you and the club are the only ones protecting this fishery.That is the attitude that has kept many people from joining the club. So stop dividing us as club guys,forum guys,buoy guys and so on.We all are the same and you need to realize that. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

09-25-2007, 09:14 AM	#39 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catc