3/2 Catch22

[CJDcatch22]

WOW long night. We fought the 2-4 SE slop on the way out and fished the 50 until about 2:30. We stuck it out because it seemed fishy. Lots of slashes but no hookups - the drift was quick with that south wind, 4-5 kts. Had a couple small fish check out the light but no interest in baits. Scattered tinkers, lots of moon, deep bites.

[WhItEoUt 23]

Another day another way capt

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TIGHT LINES AND SHARP HOOKS

[SUPERDOLPH]

Went out 3/2/07......... caught a 51" fish......... Report will follow by TightlinesPE ..caught on the Mometum!

[Momentum]

Catch22,

SuperDolph was on my boat and we had the same issues as you...very quick drift (even with the use of the 12' Paratech)...we had 12 slashed baits and we felt about 6 of them slashing the bait and I was able to momentarily get a hook on one of them when he was toying with it....we ended up with a 51'' pumpkin (smallest pumpkin I've ever seen) eating a bait at 225 ft...we stuck it out until 1 with all the fishiness (like you mentioned) but we kept getting whacked around and called it a night. We had a fish take a bait as it was being sent down on the tip rod (line went slack) but as soon as the line got tight, the JBHC to mono connection broke.

[Relentless33]

Nice fish Capt.

Momentum,
congrats on the fish

Who was the local vendor?

[FinalPoint]

Heard the same thing from another boat. Went through 18 squids and caught a pumpkin about the same size.

[Momentum]

Relentless,

Don't worry about the vendor....they are a very reputable local place that many here and abroad go to...I know they will see what went wrong and make it right. Nobody's perfect.

[SUPERDOLPH]

Originally Posted by Momentum

Relentless,

Don't worry about the vendor....they are a very reputable local place that many here and abroad go to...I know they will see what went wrong and make it right. Nobody's perfect.

Mike-- The line broke above the connection on the JB, it was not a failure in the connection.. something must have knicked it and snapped it as it was a clean break!

[CARBEN COPY]

Originally Posted by Momentum

Relentless,

Don't worry about the vendor....they are a very reputable local place that many here and abroad go to...I know they will see what went wrong and make it right. Nobody's perfect.

If it is the same "person" I believe you are talking about, he made the same mistake on 3 reels for one of my buddies Lost everything from the core up. The "person" did make good on all lost but..........You don't want that happening when you have a BIG fishy on. This so-called person better tighten up his ship or will prolly start losing some big business

[SUPERDOLPH]

i am wondering now, is it even worth it to have the mono top shot? Maybe i should just have 130lb JerryBrown straight to the wind-on.. What do you think?

[FinalPoint]

Use the top shot. I have straight JB on a couple and I am switching to the top shot because I hate the fact that there is no stretch.

[Momentum]

Dave, go with whatever you want...I like my straight JBHC and haven't pulled any more fish off with that than with mono...I also don't like any more connections than I need...I don't feel I need the topshot so I'd rather go with my JBHC all the way and not have to worry about changing it for a long time.

I'd rather have 130 lb. of strength on my 50's if I hook a monster and have to lock the drag...bottom of the spool, lots of line out, and locked drag produces much more drag on the fish than one thinks....I like having the 'backbone' that I need. I don't care for stretch because the mono will stretch to a certain point before it exponentially stops and then breaks. Once I start pulling off lots of fish, I'll put mono topshot on...but I fish 22 lbs. at strike with full JBHC and have had a great hookup ratio overall.

[Momentum]

Also:

Catch 22,

Do you know Joey Csapo on the No Regulation (Regulator 32)? He fished with us last night and tried to hail you on 72 without a response.

[igotbenefits]

Dave call me Monday while your there.. I'll need you to pick up some things for me if you can.

[RiskTaker]

Originally Posted by SUPERDOLPH

i am wondering now, is it even worth it to have the mono top shot? Maybe i should just have 130lb JerryBrown straight to the wind-on.. What do you think?

Friday night fish report first. A beautiful night to be fishing offshore. Hardly a boat in sight. That can be a wonderful thing. We had the same fast drift and thought it was just us, by using only a 4 ft. bag. Our bites were deep: 400 and 200 payed out, so by compensating for the angle they were less in terms of FSW. But still, our deeper baits got the attention last night. We got two bites and a newbie brought a 46" fish to the boat. The hook came out easily and was release. Tom was still a happy camper to catch his first swordfish.

Superdolph, to provide some feedback to your inquiry: My reels are configured same as yours: JBHC 130# Hi-viz on the base. But I am only using wind-ons attached by triple loop to loop to that. At the beginning of my journey, which is still young, I used 200 yd, long top shots. But no longer. (Keep in mind though that you should do some regular yearly maintentance, or as needed, and replace the first 100 yds. of your JBHC, just for some peace of mind as the seasons march foreward.)

You should think about your fishing needs then make your decision based upon what makes sense for you. For me for example, on the 50s, I use a 60-75 ft. length of 200# mono. Primarily intended for swordfishing, (I prefer to attach the weight to larger diameter nylon), but tell me where that is not a good configuration for other troll fishing applications. Well perhaps tuna fishing: so alrigghty then but I cannot think of another. In that case, simply swap your wind-on to a length of much smaller mono or flourocarbon. For the 80s, which I had some reservations, bit I still did switch, from more 50s, I am using 300 ft. of 200# mono. The length is somewhat arbitrary, but it happens to be a convenient measure for 100 yd. packages in that size line. I just think of it as a long wind-on, because it is still a loop to loop connection. The reason I went to a longer length of mono on the 80s was especially to cover the situation for High speed trolling. I definitely came to the conclusion after observing the pressure exerted on lures doing 19kts., that I wanted to have a notable amount of elasticity should a fish strike, Wahoo and thinking optomistically about a rare tuna or billfish, without having to rip his head off. This configuration works just fine and dandee for swordfishing too. You could even just crimp a swiveled-hook to the end and have a "minimalist's" connections configuration, and still have your wind-on too.

So the only thing awkward that remains, is to be using the 80 wides for general trolling applications. It may be a bit awkward but somebody has to be the goof-ball. Either that, or use 30s or stout spinners. Which I can, and do.(A picture of hauling in a sailfish with an 80W is quite simply, classic.)

[Relentless33]

Originally Posted by Momentum

Relentless,

Don't worry about the vendor....they are a very reputable local place that many here and abroad go to...I know they will see what went wrong and make it right. Nobody's perfect.

Thanks

[Momentum]

Originally Posted by Relentless33

Thanks

Sorry I couldn't tell you but believe me it was a simple mistake...posting names will just snowball into an argument...

[Relentless33]

Completely understand 100 percent. Putting a name out can come back to haunt you 10 times worse. Which is why I probably shouldn't have asked in the first place.

[Momentum]

No worries, I am more concerned about protecting the reputable vendor than myself. Nobody on a forum can put me down.

Catch22,

Sorry for the slight derailment on your thread...albeit there was some good information exchanged.

[RiskTaker]

Sorry folks,

Not to distract from the importance of a timely fishing report theme but to call attention, when it calls my attention:

I think you should post the names. If you have defective equipment, you should call it for what it is. It was defective. If you are not willing to step up to the plate to say who's it is, then you are protecting something: sometimes, it is not always the other guy.

Since incarceration and other civil penalties are not involved here, don't be a freakin' coward to place credit, where it was sourced.

Once a defect is recognized, perhaps we can take affirmative action to call attention to the matter and get it fixed. And in the process we may discover what the root cause of the prblem is.

Whoever provides the wind-ons wants to know when defects occur, and so do their customers: by direct feedback or through forum exchange. And when they occur we should share in the knowledge. During the exchange, we may improve for the overall benefit of the industry.

In all fairness, I once protected a retail vendor, by protecting his name from public scrutiny. But I did ask for the service on short service and it was provided. At the time when tension mattered, the wind-on failed miserably: it failed with only a few pounds of tension, < 10 lbs. Just another day in the night of a swordfish angler. But it did cost me the entire rig: weight, lights, wind-on leader, bait and the fish that was taking it all away. Who knows maybe that fish may have died with the long trailer hanging from its mouth. I never asked for renumeration because that does not seem to be appropriate unless it is considered grossly wrong.

Today, I am a very happy fisherman: I make my own wind-ons, so the only person/business I have to blame is right there in front of the mirror when I am looking at it. The criticism factor is contained by natural selection.

Interestingly, I have had one of my very own wind-ons fail:such a devastating blow. By golly, upon inspection of the remaining evidence it was the nylon monofilament that snapped only an 1 1/2 (inch and a half) away from the windon-serve. Maybe things can be learned here too?

So if you have warranty replacement of accessory gear, then my accolades to you. It is better service than you will get elsewhere.

IMO - it would still be better to avert the failure in the first place.

[SUPERDOLPH]

Thanks RISKTAKER.. I havent used the 50s for trolling yet but do plan on using them for bigger baits down on the weight and shockleader for wahoo. So i do see your point about the mono topshot! On my 30wides, i have the topshot of 150 yards of 50 mono backed with 450 yards of 130JBHC as i was planning on using those for trolling but still have the ability to use for swording (As long as i dont get the "Big One" on it).

Thanks for the advice!

[Captain Ollie]

The less connections the better. Top shots and all that BS are totally unneccessary. What the hell do you want stretch for anyway?? Fish your drag at 20# min and if the fish isn't hooked up for real (not fouled) you'l find out in a hurry. Its utterly ridiculous to sit there and baby a fish with some pu$$y ass drag setting only to have it come unglued after some grueling hours long fight. I think the best thing you could do is see Tek and have him make you some custom wind-ons, somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 feet. He makes some kickass wind-ons and I've taken them to hell and back and haven't had a failure. Attatch that wind-on straight to whatever line your fishing and end the windon in a hook with a tag end and pin rig the squid straight to the windon. That's a total of one connection and its as simple as you could possibly get it. If you catch a fish on it you just cut the burned mono off and do another pin. If you get 70 foot wind-ons you can can catch something like 3 to 4 fish on it before it gets too short. This is all I would ask of a wind-on anyway. If you push them too far you could end up cryin in your cereal in the morning because you were too cheap to change one of the most important pieces of terminal tackle and the big one got away.

[Momentum]

Ollie,

Good points and I agree with you on the topshot. Stretch IMO is BS and it's all technical bullcrap that people just whine about. Bottom line is...if you're putting good amount of drag on them (20lbs) stretch won't do you any good....if he's hooked right, he ain't coming out unless you slack up on him. The connection broke at the topshot to JBHC so the windon wasn't an issue, just that connection (which was out of all of the guides and half way to the water)...I like my JBHC all the way - less connections and more strength overall if I ever need it...swording is all opinions, though....you do it your way, I do it mine, but it seems to me that you and I do it similarly, Ollie.

[Nick C]

Ollie, what's up bro.
Tell me, How do feel about light drag and top shots? You coming on the 202 trip again?

[JupiterSailfish]

Thanks was freakin awesome Capt. Ollie.

[Tunachaser]

Originally Posted by CARBEN COPY

If it is the same "person" I believe you are talking about, he made the same mistake on 3 reels for one of my buddies Lost everything from the core up. The "person" did make good on all lost but..........You don't want that happening when you have a BIG fishy on. This so-called person better tighten up his ship or will prolly start losing some big business

Hmmmmmm, a familiar tune from Charlie & The Chocolate Facotry is rining in my ear. . . . .

[GENERALturtle.]

Originally Posted by Momentum

No worries, I am more concerned about protecting the reputable vendor than myself. Nobody on a forum can put me down.

:

If that was true you probaly shouldn't have said

"the JBHC to mono connection broke. We will have to be talking to a local vendor about that. "

PS If you were a fish Mikey you would be a google eye!

[Momentum]

Chris, it actually broke on the mainline..the JBHC itself broke and not the connection...we were wrong on the first assumption.

[CARBEN COPY]

Originally Posted by Tunachaser

Hmmmmmm, a familiar tune from Charlie & The Chocolate Facotry is rining in my ear. . . . .

I did not mention or infer that it was him. No songs here!! As a matter of fact, I was gonna pay him a visit to hook me up with one of those long windons ollie was talkin about in a few weeks........Optimistically thinkin I'm getting a pair of wlrs for my b-day. If not, I may just have to go get em myself

[GENERALturtle.]

Originally Posted by Momentum

Chris, it actually broke on the mainline..the JBHC itself broke and not the connection...we were wrong on the first assumption.

gottcha