Venice sword trip bust

knotreel · 02-12-2007, 06:04 PM

2/6-7/07, We finally got some weather to put a sword trip together out of Venice LA. (home port). Conditions were good, made 4 nice drifts over our most productive spot. NADA. We ended 0/1, plus got a few baits pulled. The one we had was small and pulled off just under the boat. We pulled in an headed to the famous midnite lump where we did fair on tuna. 13 with the biggest about 50-60 and most were BF and about 25. We were out Todd Laborde's new 40' Cabo (NICE!!) Crew was Todd, Whitney, Matt, Paul, Charlie and me.
This was an experiment as we don't have any experience on winter sword fishing over here. In South FL you guys have "summer" year round or at least the GS is a pretty constant influence on fish and bait. (i guess?) For us over here, where the fish and bait stay in cooler weather is a pot shot now or at least it looks that way. So, it's back to the drawing board for us.

Ron, aka Hammer

billspilingup · 02-12-2007, 06:19 PM

Why is it back to the drawing board? You hooked one fish (albeit small) and had a few baits hit. It was slow like that for quite a few guys over here the last half of last week.

Keep trying and good luck!

knotreel · 02-12-2007, 08:11 PM

Maybe I am over thinking the deal but, over here our fish (other pelagics) move around some with the seasons. Our "hot spot" was good in summer but I worry that bait concentations, currents, water temp, ect may have moved the swords too. Since we have little (no) winter experience with swords I am wondering if our bad trip was just a fishing deal or we should be somewhere else. My guess is swords are ok with temps we have on the grounds now but the bait? I don't know. Do squid, ribbon fish, ect move to warmer water and for that matter does the water temp below the themocline really change that much as the surface changes? These are the things that I am thinking.

JupiterSailfish · 02-12-2007, 09:13 PM

Instead of four drifts on the same spot. Try three other spots, find new ground? Trying to help out with the blackboard.

At least you know the fish are there.

Flatsfish B · 02-12-2007, 09:22 PM

I agree with your thinking, see here we are fishing bottom structure, and that is what causes bait of some sort year round. We get killed by squid in the summer so bad they eat our baits, and right now the tinkers are thick thick. If you believe there is no bait around then you might want to find it. The swords here move a lot to i think. There are times when you get rats by the dozen, times where a bite is not had, and times where there are multiple 300+ pound fish caught in the same week. Good luck

WhItEoUt 23 · 02-12-2007, 09:30 PM

billspilingup is right we didnt do great down here either my suggestion is to keep trying they will come still sounds like a good trip still with the tuna at least you did't go home skunked

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hannaman · 02-13-2007, 08:24 AM

Your also fishing this water just recently. Alot of us over here have over a 100 trips logged for Swordfishing in this area. We know where all the canyons are...right over here in our SWEETWATER.

tunaman81 · 02-13-2007, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knotreel

does the water temp below the themocline really change that much as the surface changes? These are the things that I am thinking.

No...the water temps a couple of hundred feet down stay relatively constant.

snooknreds2 · 02-13-2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tunaman81

No...the water temps a couple of hundred feet down stay relatively constant.

he knows his stuff

02-12-2007, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
knotreel Lines In Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Louisiana Boat: Hammer, 30' custom cc Posts: 26	Venice sword trip bust 2/6-7/07, We finally got some weather to put a sword trip together out of Venice LA. (home port). Conditions were good, made 4 nice drifts over our most productive spot. NADA. We ended 0/1, plus got a few baits pulled. The one we had was small and pulled off just under the boat. We pulled in an headed to the famous midnite lump where we did fair on tuna. 13 with the biggest about 50-60 and most were BF and about 25. We were out Todd Laborde's new 40' Cabo (NICE!!) Crew was Todd, Whitney, Matt, Paul, Charlie and me. This was an experiment as we don't have any experience on winter sword fishing over here. In South FL you guys have "summer" year round or at least the GS is a pretty constant influence on fish and bait. (i guess?) For us over here, where the fish and bait stay in cooler weather is a pot shot now or at least it looks that way. So, it's back to the drawing board for us. Ron, aka Hammer __________________ Ron White (Hammer) My boat building project website www.concentric.net/~knotreel Last edited by knotreel : 02-12-2007 at 06:13 PM.

02-12-2007, 08:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
knotreel Lines In Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Louisiana Boat: Hammer, 30' custom cc Posts: 26	Maybe I am over thinking the deal but, over here our fish (other pelagics) move around some with the seasons. Our "hot spot" was good in summer but I worry that bait concentations, currents, water temp, ect may have moved the swords too. Since we have little (no) winter experience with swords I am wondering if our bad trip was just a fishing deal or we should be somewhere else. My guess is swords are ok with temps we have on the grounds now but the bait? I don't know. Do squid, ribbon fish, ect move to warmer water and for that matter does the water temp below the themocline really change that much as the surface changes? These are the things that I am thinking. __________________ Ron White (Hammer) My boat building project website www.concentric.net/~knotreel

02-12-2007, 09:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Flatsfish B Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boca Boat: 2300 Keywest Best Catch: 77'' pumpkin Occupation: Sales supervisor Posts: 684	I agree with your thinking, see here we are fishing bottom structure, and that is what causes bait of some sort year round. We get killed by squid in the summer so bad they eat our baits, and right now the tinkers are thick thick. If you believe there is no bait around then you might want to find it. The swords here move a lot to i think. There are times when you get rats by the dozen, times where a bite is not had, and times where there are multiple 300+ pound fish caught in the same week. Good luck __________________

02-13-2007, 08:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
hannaman Charter Captain Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Boat: 32 Donzi w/ twins Best Catch: 300+ pound Swordfish club, still. Occupation: Charter Boat Captain Posts: 672	Your also fishing this water just recently. Alot of us over here have over a 100 trips logged for Swordfishing in this area. We know where all the canyons are...right over here in our SWEETWATER. __________________ Captain Cary Hanna New Lattitude SportFishing Charters 954-907-0967 Florida Fishing Charters

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02-12-2007, 06:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
billspilingup Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lighthouse Point Boat: 31' Ocean Master Best Catch: 300lb & 200lb back to back daytimers Posts: 469	Why is it back to the drawing board? You hooked one fish (albeit small) and had a few baits hit. It was slow like that for quite a few guys over here the last half of last week. Keep trying and good luck!

02-12-2007, 09:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
JupiterSailfish Hooked Up Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jupiter, FL Best Catch: 170lb Swordy - Tag Teamed it Posts: 579	Instead of four drifts on the same spot. Try three other spots, find new ground? Trying to help out with the blackboard. At least you know the fish are there.

02-12-2007, 09:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
WhItEoUt 23 Grander Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: pompano bch Boat: dusky 23 Best Catch: 160 lb swordfish 52 ib rooster fish Occupation: self employed Posts: 1,072	billspilingup is right we didnt do great down here either my suggestion is to keep trying they will come still sounds like a good trip still with the tuna at least you did't go home skunked ___________________________ TIGHT LINES AND SHARP HOOKS

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