some swords pic

quack quack · 05-25-2006, 02:52 PM

wow now I got it.

Now that everyones jaw is on the ground

I found this pic on the web and thought I would share.Not sure on the location but those fish are very fresh.Heads on and nongutted :!: They can not be more than 2 days old tops.

MANATEE MANGLER · 05-25-2006, 03:13 PM

The way iam going I would be lucky to catch as many thats in the first row in a lifetime.Hey quack are the pieces of paper on them tell there weight ? Do think that they came from the same boat? Is that a good catch for the com guys.Its kinda cool at the same time makes me wonder how long can the swords keep up with us :?:

Nick C · 05-25-2006, 03:15 PM

HOLY MOTHER!

LL's got 'em all

quack quack · 05-25-2006, 03:43 PM

Thats weight in kg.I am not sure how they were caught but they are fresh!It was most likely a LL boat but they must be thick because in another pic it showed they were not gutted :???: I will go to the web site and see if I can get more info.

quack quack · 05-25-2006, 03:49 PM

quack quack · 05-25-2006, 03:55 PM

Don't forget the MAKOS

Shark Tagger · 05-25-2006, 04:01 PM

Unreal!!!! ](*,)

Did they used to slay them like that out in our grounds?

Captain Ollie · 05-25-2006, 05:35 PM

The motherload! How'd you get the pics of what I caught the other night out here? JUST KIDDING! :lol: Those pics have to be from outside this country. If these were taken by an American longliner you would only be looking at plugs. Must be a short range one night or two night operation. Fish kept whole like that take up far too much room in the hold. Not to mention the faster deterioation of the quality of the meat. My fish are dressed out and cleaned as soon as they hit the deck. If those numbers are indeed the weight in kilos, most of these fish are quite small. I see one that says 28 and if you convert that, its a whopping 62 pounds. They do, however, appear to be in absolutely pristine condition. If I didn't know any better I'd swear the warehouse was floating right over where they where caught!
Quack, I can't wait to see the posts this pic generates. Its definitely going to gets lots of peoples pantys in a bunch. I hope everyone that looks at those pics also realizes that this type of slaughter goes on night after night 365 days a year. Isn't greed a wonderful thing?

RiskTaker · 05-25-2006, 05:58 PM

Ollie:

I cannot imagine this type of harvest going on night after night from a local 1 or 2 day excursion. There has to be some break, due to the weather, etc. : otherwise you are relentless and something will breakdown. The planet is a pretty vast place but how can those number be sustained? It seems like there are reports of recovery going on with the swordfish population along the NW Atlantic coast line. Perhaps the slaughter is happening in the southern lattitudes of this hemisphere. I don't know. But those are interesting photos nevertheless. Jerry has spoken of a wholesale house in Trinidad, if I have it correct, where there is a backlog of billfish (Sails/marlins) in stock, willing to be sold cheap, and all the good Tuners have departed to the Oriental side of the hemisphere: we are the less pressured Occidental side.

But yeah, I hear you, it seems like a risky business, in sloppiness to present fish to the wholesale market without some level of quality control, like field dressing for example. Such a fine fish. Seems like you would at least dress them in dignity for their funeral procession. Or at least for those gastronomers that crave their flesh in a commercially acceptable quality fashion, if possible. What a waist if the flesh is tainted due to decay or histamines.

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 06:22 PM

:shock: :shock: :shock: ](*,) ](*,) :shock: :shock: :shock:

WOW

:-s :-s 8-[ :-s :-s

Captain Ollie · 05-25-2006, 10:11 PM

Risktaker

What I meant was that this amount of fish and more (swords) is being harvested SOMEWHERE in the world EVERY night. Not that I meant from that particular place (in the pic) every night. Mother Nature, Murphy's Law, and mechanical gremlins aren't going to let you score like that every night from the same place. That pic could very possibly be from a southern hemishpere location. Its also quite likely that this is the work of several boats. Possibly Quack could find out where this photo originated from. The curiosity is killing me.
Yes there is a recovery of sorts in the NW Atlantic but that means diddly squat in the bigger picture of decimation like this. This recovery is probably due to the fact there has been a significant reduction in the quantity of longline hooks fishing the North Atlantic. At its peak it was, get ready for this, 11 MILLION HOOKS. :shock: How does ANYTHING survive in a minefield like that?
With all that worldwide pressure on fishstocks it would be a nice fantasy if we could figure out a way to "fence off" our little piece ocean. Maybe we could even train the fish to spawn here and stay in our waters. But coming back to reality here, sustainablity of a fishery such as swordfish, which are so highly migratory, is quite literally impossible if you don't have some sort of global cooperation. AND WE ALL KNOW DAMN WELL THAT JUST AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! The whole of the problem with the world of commercial fishing is that most of the gear used is just too damn efficient at wiping out large quantities of fish in too short a period of time. Of course, as I said before, this all boils down to that most crappy of all human characteristics, GREED, and until someone invents a pill to cure that, it only ends when the source of the money dries up and we move on to the next thing.

quack quack · 05-26-2006, 08:59 AM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/freecat/67077021/

This is the site that I found the pics on.It looks like a spanish photobucket site :???:

I think it is in Spain.

PURPLE FEVER · 05-26-2006, 12:46 PM

Broadbill Pro where are you? How often are whole fish, including bills, taken to market?

Broadbill-Pro · 05-26-2006, 03:14 PM

Spain and a few other Nations in Europe request that the head and bill be attached when the fish are sold fresh. The percentage of fresh fish (sword) is very small in comparision to frozen since 90% of the Spanish fleet is offloading in foreign countries.

I have sold many fish over the years with the bills attached. Mostly in South America, but the cost of shipping becomes crazy due to the size of the box required. Frozen swords are just impossible to stack in the blast freezers with the bill on. A recent trip to Sicily I observed many fish with the head attached at the market, but they were caught in the Med. Sea and sold locally.

quack quack · 05-26-2006, 03:18 PM

BP It's hard to see but in somepics you can see that they are not even gutted! I have never seen that before.

Broadbill-Pro · 05-26-2006, 03:51 PM

i posted that last reply without seeing the pictures. those fish were caught off vigo, spain. although it may look like a lot of fish, my estimate is maybe 150 to 200 pieces?? that is not a very significant amount of fish. the freshness and size indicate that the fish were caught in no more than 2 nights and close to shore and the fish were not stacked very high in the hold. they were probably caught by 10 or so vessels.

estimate a 80lb. dressed weight average on maybe 10 boats is roughly 1500 pounds per vessel. that is a drop in the bucket compared to what could be caught during a june/july moon phase out front of south florida. better catches than that existed here for 20 years with 30 vessels working the area.

Broadbill-Pro · 05-26-2006, 04:03 PM

leaving the guts in is also very common. i unloaded at the united fishing auction in honolulu, we never gutted a tuna, dorado, striped marlin, etc. in the 5 years i was there and to this day ALL of the fish sold there are head-on and guts-in. it makes for a heavy talley! a deck hose is shoved inside the belly to flush the decomposed feed out.

the only fish that are gutted are those destined for the east coast. theory is that a fish should be sold before decay sets in. not possible for 20 sets LL vessels. the eyes should be clear and the meat firm.

Disco Lady · 05-26-2006, 05:35 PM

C

n

!!!!!!!!!!! :

ops:

Nick C · 05-26-2006, 09:36 PM

yep... had to know a big time Cono!!! was coming lol.

Good info BP... very interesting. So that's how it was out here for the LL's in the 80's?

Relentless33 · 05-26-2006, 11:27 PM

Yea, it usually will come in a few times, especially in a post like this :lol:

05-25-2006, 02:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	some swords pic wow now I got it. Now that everyones jaw is on the ground I found this pic on the web and thought I would share.Not sure on the location but those fish are very fresh.Heads on and nongutted :!: They can not be more than 2 days old tops. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-25-2006, 03:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,226	HOLY MOTHER! LL's got 'em all __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

05-25-2006, 03:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	Thats weight in kg.I am not sure how they were caught but they are fresh!It was most likely a LL boat but they must be thick because in another pic it showed they were not gutted :???: I will go to the web site and see if I can get more info. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-25-2006, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	__________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-25-2006, 03:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	Don't forget the MAKOS __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-25-2006, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
MANATEE MANGLER Lines In Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 79	The way iam going I would be lucky to catch as many thats in the first row in a lifetime.Hey quack are the pieces of paper on them tell there weight ? Do think that they came from the same boat? Is that a good catch for the com guys.Its kinda cool at the same time makes me wonder how long can the swords keep up with us :?:

05-25-2006, 04:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 921	Unreal!!!! ](*,) Did they used to slay them like that out in our grounds?

05-25-2006, 05:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 596	The motherload! How'd you get the pics of what I caught the other night out here? JUST KIDDING! :lol: Those pics have to be from outside this country. If these were taken by an American longliner you would only be looking at plugs. Must be a short range one night or two night operation. Fish kept whole like that take up far too much room in the hold. Not to mention the faster deterioation of the quality of the meat. My fish are dressed out and cleaned as soon as they hit the deck. If those numbers are indeed the weight in kilos, most of these fish are quite small. I see one that says 28 and if you convert that, its a whopping 62 pounds. They do, however, appear to be in absolutely pristine condition. If I didn't know any better I'd swear the warehouse was floating right over where they where caught! Quack, I can't wait to see the posts this pic generates. Its definitely going to gets lots of peoples pantys in a bunch. I hope everyone that looks at those pics also realizes that this type of slaughter goes on night after night 365 days a year. Isn't greed a wonderful thing? __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

05-25-2006, 05:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Had one once, then she took the boat away Posts: 1,979	Where have all the swordfish gone? Ollie: I cannot imagine this type of harvest going on night after night from a local 1 or 2 day excursion. There has to be some break, due to the weather, etc. : otherwise you are relentless and something will breakdown. The planet is a pretty vast place but how can those number be sustained? It seems like there are reports of recovery going on with the swordfish population along the NW Atlantic coast line. Perhaps the slaughter is happening in the southern lattitudes of this hemisphere. I don't know. But those are interesting photos nevertheless. Jerry has spoken of a wholesale house in Trinidad, if I have it correct, where there is a backlog of billfish (Sails/marlins) in stock, willing to be sold cheap, and all the good Tuners have departed to the Oriental side of the hemisphere: we are the less pressured Occidental side. But yeah, I hear you, it seems like a risky business, in sloppiness to present fish to the wholesale market without some level of quality control, like field dressing for example. Such a fine fish. Seems like you would at least dress them in dignity for their funeral procession. Or at least for those gastronomers that crave their flesh in a commercially acceptable quality fashion, if possible. What a waist if the flesh is tainted due to decay or histamines.

05-25-2006, 06:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 3,013	:shock: :shock: :shock: ](,) ](,) :shock: :shock: :shock: WOW :-s :-s 8-[ :-s :-s __________________

05-25-2006, 10:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 596	Risktaker What I meant was that this amount of fish and more (swords) is being harvested SOMEWHERE in the world EVERY night. Not that I meant from that particular place (in the pic) every night. Mother Nature, Murphy's Law, and mechanical gremlins aren't going to let you score like that every night from the same place. That pic could very possibly be from a southern hemishpere location. Its also quite likely that this is the work of several boats. Possibly Quack could find out where this photo originated from. The curiosity is killing me. Yes there is a recovery of sorts in the NW Atlantic but that means diddly squat in the bigger picture of decimation like this. This recovery is probably due to the fact there has been a significant reduction in the quantity of longline hooks fishing the North Atlantic. At its peak it was, get ready for this, 11 MILLION HOOKS. :shock: How does ANYTHING survive in a minefield like that? With all that worldwide pressure on fishstocks it would be a nice fantasy if we could figure out a way to "fence off" our little piece ocean. Maybe we could even train the fish to spawn here and stay in our waters. But coming back to reality here, sustainablity of a fishery such as swordfish, which are so highly migratory, is quite literally impossible if you don't have some sort of global cooperation. AND WE ALL KNOW DAMN WELL THAT JUST AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! The whole of the problem with the world of commercial fishing is that most of the gear used is just too damn efficient at wiping out large quantities of fish in too short a period of time. Of course, as I said before, this all boils down to that most crappy of all human characteristics, GREED, and until someone invents a pill to cure that, it only ends when the source of the money dries up and we move on to the next thing. __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

05-26-2006, 08:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	http://www.flickr.com/photos/freecat/67077021/ This is the site that I found the pics on.It looks like a spanish photobucket site :???: I think it is in Spain. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-26-2006, 12:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
PURPLE FEVER Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: pompano beach,fla. Posts: 438	Broadbill Pro where are you? How often are whole fish, including bills, taken to market?

05-26-2006, 03:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,409	Spain and a few other Nations in Europe request that the head and bill be attached when the fish are sold fresh. The percentage of fresh fish (sword) is very small in comparision to frozen since 90% of the Spanish fleet is offloading in foreign countries. I have sold many fish over the years with the bills attached. Mostly in South America, but the cost of shipping becomes crazy due to the size of the box required. Frozen swords are just impossible to stack in the blast freezers with the bill on. A recent trip to Sicily I observed many fish with the head attached at the market, but they were caught in the Med. Sea and sold locally.

05-26-2006, 03:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 5,014	BP It's hard to see but in somepics you can see that they are not even gutted! I have never seen that before. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

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05-26-2006, 03:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,409	i posted that last reply without seeing the pictures. those fish were caught off vigo, spain. although it may look like a lot of fish, my estimate is maybe 150 to 200 pieces?? that is not a very significant amount of fish. the freshness and size indicate that the fish were caught in no more than 2 nights and close to shore and the fish were not stacked very high in the hold. they were probably caught by 10 or so vessels. estimate a 80lb. dressed weight average on maybe 10 boats is roughly 1500 pounds per vessel. that is a drop in the bucket compared to what could be caught during a june/july moon phase out front of south florida. better catches than that existed here for 20 years with 30 vessels working the area.

05-26-2006, 04:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Broadbill-Pro Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Best Catch: When I look at a Commercial Fishing Vessel I see 300 million Americans and you only see the Crew Posts: 1,409	leaving the guts in is also very common. i unloaded at the united fishing auction in honolulu, we never gutted a tuna, dorado, striped marlin, etc. in the 5 years i was there and to this day ALL of the fish sold there are head-on and guts-in. it makes for a heavy talley! a deck hose is shoved inside the belly to flush the decomposed feed out. the only fish that are gutted are those destined for the east coast. theory is that a fish should be sold before decay sets in. not possible for 20 sets LL vessels. the eyes should be clear and the meat firm.

05-26-2006, 05:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami. FL, Boat: 37 Merritt Best Catch: (Blue Marlin)550 Lbs ST. Thomas Occupation: Charter Captain Sometimes... Posts: 3,514	C n !!!!!!!!!!! : ops:

05-26-2006, 09:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,226	yep... had to know a big time Cono!!! was coming lol. Good info BP... very interesting. So that's how it was out here for the LL's in the 80's? __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

05-26-2006, 11:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 3,013	Yea, it usually will come in a few times, especially in a post like this :lol: __________________

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