4-19 Swordfishing Report

[RiskTaker]

Hey Jerry:

That report sounds great. I'm getting a hankerin for some fresh caught tuners. We should be turning on with the bite with Blackfin tuna very soon. Cogzwell also reported on loading up with YFTs over on the Bimini side of the Stream, last week.

If those YFTs were all small in the 30-50 lb. range, are you sure that you did not want to let some go free. :razz: Just kidding - we know you need to keep the wifie happy with a fresh supply.

Hey, you guys are funnin with me. ops:

Time to give Fishesdred a warmer welcome and look forward to his second post.

[vicious fishesdred]

hmmm.... ok guess ill start here ,first of all i never registered here (why i cant use the fishesdred name ,who ever made that for me please give me the password),im guessing mike made the screen name and moved my post from the fs forum(south fishing reports) to here .I did not ,and not 1 person out of the thousands of fs members flamed me ,like all these flamers here are.Im quite glad i wasnt a member and not quite sure i want to be now.

Next off i have caught many swords and not a newbie ive fished your sword tounys drew ,mabey if my dreads were down youd recognize me ,that was my boats first sword trip and my friends first sword each,that by the way were released in as good of condition as possable .Tell me when swords are all tangled in the leader with a little pup you untangle it boatside?Who said i kept these pups?Dont see the spotlight pointed directly at it?WEll both those fish looked good to me swimming away , did they live who knows? do all of your fish survive the day after you released them? F

unny though you experts just know they are dead and whats better the know it alls that know the other fish wasnt 61"(catching ,albar1) because out of his 6 sword trips 1 time he has seen a 55 inch fish , guarentee this albar lets be truthfull after you count the 2x6 dock boards granted actual board size is smaller but space in between boards makes up for plus the fish is on a slant :lol: . [



Any other questions ? do i need to get a tape measure and take a pic of it on same slant as the sword on the dock the ONE LEGAL FISH THAT I KILLED ON MY BOATS FIRST SWORD TRIP. .........

[swordfish123]

ummmmmmm are you SURE those are 2x6s??? I can tell by the way the light is hitting the dock that they are not. I have not seen nor been to your dock but I can tell clearly from the evidence in the picture that those are 2x4s-- maybe its Qbeam. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just kiddin man..., NICE fish!!

[catching]

fishdred,

Nice fish and pics, just have to admit from that last picture it does look small, must be the way the pic was taken. Sorry dude that is a nice fish and great pictures at the dock.

Congrats again
Catching

[Broadbill]

GET A LIFE!!!!

[Darkside]

Fishdred I knew you looked fimiliar, and i was on your side. Dont let a few people that think they know everything and jump to conclusions give you a bad taste for this site. Glad you set the story straight letting everybody know you released the two smaller fish.
Tight lines.

[RiskTaker]

Welcome to this forum "Vicious Fishesdred", seeing the previous was your "real" first post. Sorry to say that your first experience on SFC was not as good of an experience as say, compared to FS forum. Stick around for a while and you may find this site absolutely amazing for some good information and great fishing tales, if you have a slight slant for swordfishing. It only gets better from here. The next spliff is on me.

BTW - good report on the report.

[Rod Chucker]

i was the first one to respond to your thread, Dred and hopefully this will be the last comment on the small fish. i asked about that first fish in the pic because it definetly looked small and the pic makes the eyes look clouded, which usually means a dead fish. i asked, you answered. if you say it swam away, i believe you. that was all i wanted to know. i guess that maybe it was a reflection of the camera flash. :???:

the LLs are not here due in part of the pup mortality they cause. i'd hate to see all swordfishing cut off here because a few idiots cant figure out how to release a small fish unharmed. thats why we take releasing small fish seriously on our crew and yeah, we untangle pups in the water, but our boat is alot lower to the water and easier to work like that than yours looks.

i never slammed or flamed you, just wanted to know. i would have slammed you if you'd have said it was dead and you could care less, thats for sure.

again, good job and nice fish. welcome to the SFC flamin' debate club!
:thumright:

[vicious fishesdred]

ps: Few more things.Thanks goes to everyone who was sticking up for me (i knew you were drew) ,or was not jumping to conclusions,and all the congrats.Sorry i flamed back ,but generalturtle sees me and says you started a firestorm on s.f.c . which i had no idea i was even on ,so i go look and it got me a lil hot so....Im not mad at who ever moved my post here just next time please let me know so i can defend myself if this type of thing goes on again .oH and give me my password .For the record the 61" fish was reported .Was it me that you were telling get a life broadbill?No big deal about asking did someone kill a fish , how big it was ,ect.Just dont imply anything . The questions i would be asking though would be how deep were you fishing ,how deep was your bait what did they eat what time did they hit especially because from what i heard there was no other sword caught that night but :???: now i frogot .But thats just me i guess. Oh was that you that was "takin on the jellys " tuna devil? ...............pps :i took the 2 smallswords and sewn them together to make 1 big one but ...shhhh :razz:

[Shark Tagger]

Great fish and welcome to the forum... what kind of boat is that is the picture?

[Capt Ted]

Usually i dont see the bashing here on SFC and that is why I come here and not to the other forum.

I think we are going nuts from our lack of bites We were out on the 19th and not one bite. I gues only 20% of the boats really do catch 80% of the fish

Great catch buddy.

Ted

[RiskTaker]

Fishesdred:

OK, I will bight.

So where did you say that you were fishing that night?

Did you find any Tinkers?

What was the preference rigging that got their attention, and how deep were your bites?

Did you happen to notice a time when the bite turned on or shut down?

The great news about a few recreational anglers being out there night after night, (some small scale commercials too), is that they can keep a pulse on the current trends: bite times, on/off, inside/outside in general. So it is kind of like, everybody fan-out to cover a larger area; and let us know what you find out.

Now this news may not be publicized, wide-open on the forum; although, many good fishing techniques have been posted and have enlightened all of us, but a few phone calls made to the guys fishing on previous nights may help you setup on starting number(s) that may be a "wee bit" warmer than colder, compared to taking a SWAG at it.

This forum is GREAT for that!

As a matter of fact, IMO, this site has a very low rate of bashing going on, in general, a little bit more on the funny entertainment side, and enough snippets of excellent fishing information, that I check out this site all the time. I think it is a great place to visit. Not as busy as the Florida Sportman site. But for good content, the best in South Florida (I know of another too but nil on posts, ask off-line and I will point your there), and for swordfishing in particular, I have yet to find a better site anywhere in the world!

Once again, welcome to this little place in cyber space. Hope you can network from time to time.

(Good job Michael Grimm, for this place. :thumleft: )

[Disco Lady]

CONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOVE YOU ALL OK LET'S HAVE THAT COCKTAIL NOW! :lol: :lol:

[billfisher]

Wow; what a post. I can't help but to put in my 2 cents here. First off I have a great deal of respect for many people in this thread, Randy, Rodchucker, etc.. I am 99% certain the fish being displayed is NOT LEGAL. I have a friend that is a photoshop expert and have blown the picture up with various measures and compared the size of various objects in the picture to physical parts of the swordfish. If you look carefully at the small to medium size guy in the grey shirt and see how his hand about wraps around in front of the lunate caudal fin that in itself indicates a small fish. I'm not going to harp on this though. I have been fishing, spearfishing, and lobstering since I was a child and can't honestly say I have never killed an illegal fish. However I avoid it to the best of my abilities. I can understand the guys were excited to probably get their first BIG GAME fish and a picture etc.. Unfortunately in the process it is almost certain as tender as these small swords are and as hard as they fight, etc. this fish probably did not make it (This I don't know for sure, but I would bet the fish in the picture did not make it guys).

Anyway, not to beat a dead horse but I have one issue with what RISKTAKER said in this thread. He said the following: " Just in case a small fish does not survive, you can still keep it without any legal hassles, just the peanut gallery will get you" What in the name of all that is good did you mean by this risktaker?!? I know the FWC people and they most certainly will cite you for an undersized fish, DEAD or ALIVE "WITHOUT EXCEPTION" (well maybe if the FWC guy is boning your sister he'll let you off, otherwise you will get read your rights my friend!!!) Please explain what you meant by this risktaker???
To fishesdead or dread or whatever you call yourself, always be as careful as possible and nice fish in the bottom of the boat!

Sincerely and Tight Lines,
Roland

[Disco Lady]

The One On the Right CONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: Very Well Said Amigo.

[RiskTaker]

Billfisher:

I just caught this post before I was about to get away from this machine and catch the Enron "Movie" , on the other machine. OK, I will explain in more words, or as needed. Gollie, I thought I did a pretty good job with just one paragraph or sentence: but mis-communication can happen at any time, where a re-statement is perfectly fine and acceptable.

BTW- That is one cute gal in your Avatar. Do you fish with her often?

Back to your inquiry -- I never really questioned the size of the fish posted by whoever posted this first report on the forum. Obviously, the smaller fish is not a slob. But I do know that photographs can enhance or degrade from what IS is. Some people can play on those. (I would also agree that there are investigative methods than can decipher information from photographic perspectives). But that is not really the point that I am responding to.

Hopefully, and obviously so, pictures of harvested under legal size fish should not be posted on a public forum: it is evidence that can be used against you, if pushed. (But I never challenged once, that the photographed fish was under 47"). As a matter of fact, I am glad that this has degenerated into such a discussion, because it provides the opportunity to dry the laundry. (and I do not have to fold it - :razz: )

The point I made, which I hope was very clear, and interpretted from all the readers, and if not, with a little further clarification:

I never meant at all to even entertain the idea of keeping a fish in the boat, under the 47" legal minimum, but what I mean by stating a small swordfish I meant that:

I am very happy with a 47" minimum size swordfish (legal) requirement because just in case you happen to catch a small fish, 47"-53" , but one that is over 47", and it does not survive.... Then you do not have to make the sacrifice to the Mako gods or take a shot with your swordfish dart with a spot on the bottom. (You do not have to ditch the fish if it somehow could not survive, even if you chose to do the honorable thing and release a small fish that was otherwise in good spirits.)

I hope that helps with a consciencious clarification. If you have read very many of my posts, NEVER have I said anything about suggesting keeping undersize (<47") swordfish, and you know from experience that sometimes small fish get mamed by the catching process, hook in mouth or swallowed deep, foul hook, line wrap on tail, etc. At least you will not get a ticket from law enforcement if you have a small fish landed on your vessel (>47" and up to the point where small fish is 90 lbs. or more. ) Or up to the size of fish that people stop complaining (seems like QQ has narrowed it down to the politically correct 50-60" range that is not going to be critiqued by the "peanut gallery", and I am one of those peanuts too.

Sorry Billfisher, to get your jets all fired up. But if you knew me personally.... I would prefer to keep a legal fish first and foremost, because I like to fish for the food value, and possibly justify the fuel and expenses to make it all happen, then I would like to choose to release fish thereafter that are considered "small" . Only if larger fish are caught after that, would I feel really good about keeping another one or two.

Read my posts, you may know where I come from and it will all be in the same context. (If I am hipocritical in any way, please advise me how and where you see it. I am human and can and do make mistakes. But I am also humble enough to fess up to errors in judgement and can retract statements or make amends, as needed.)

My comments about the fish size were all based upon the legal domain. I encourage all recreational anglers to catch a legal size fish. If the fish looks too small to you, please release it. After you put the first fish in the boat, if you choose to keep more I hope you choose to keep only decent size fish after the first one, like 53"" plus or bigger than your first.

Oh yeah, I am also the same guy that would suggest to you to release a very large fish too, because it IS a healthy breeding female. (That is an impossible statement for commercial interest due to the mass, but as a recreational interest the choice remains an option.)

Peace Billfisher, (Now if we can just kiss and make up: but only with the one on the right, in the Avatar..... Coño) Ño!

(and keep my sister out of this if you don't mind. AND I am 99% certain that I am not certain to the exact size of the small fish in the photo. I can say that I have seen, and guestimated, fish that were clearly undersized, but after putting a tape measure on them they were bigger than I first thought, an legal size besides.) irat:

Fishesdred - this is all your fault, man. :lol:

Maybe we should start tagging more small fish :?: : with another excuse to let them swim until the next sunset or beyond.

[billfisher]

Risktaker:
It's cool.
Thanks for explanation!

Sincerely,
Billfisher

[Randy]

I can see where Billfisher got upset with the "typo? " "Ok to keep small fish" Im sure RT didnt really mean that ,and how he may get the impression a photo of a guy holding a fish up in the air with his LEFT hand and ballancing it with his right with his fingers wrapped around the bill might lead him to think that fish is tiny + dead. Im also havin a little problem with the "Kill three of em at 47" ,thats the rules " concept . I see where this might be good for commercial interests where the main goal is "$ per pound at the dock" but sportsfishermen may not think it's a good idea to kill off the babies before they reproduce and see no challenge in dragging in a 60# fish in with an 80. Ive fished with Billfisher and watched as he delicately unhooks , revives these small fish and releases fish. Weve caught a ton of these , I dont even know how many. I know if you dont get them back in immediately , hold them and revive them they die easily. As I said I give Dred the benefit of the doubt and credit , He caught that tiny fish , Brought him aboard , unhooked him, measured him, found the camera, set up the "photo op" posing with his buddy taking the pic and then revived this fish finally releasing it to swim away. They are extremely organized , We pull em in , see they are small before they are in , unhook them in the water , swish them back and forth and release them. I watched brokenhearted as one turned belly up even after all that. Again I give Dred the benefit of the doubt but I can certainly understand where some might be skeptical . As for rules , History shows CLEARLY "The Rules" have led to the offshore environment we have today. Rules are only made because people NEED them because they dont do what is right unless someone makes them. While some politician is making "Rules" from an armchair in another state while his paid advisors throw "you'll get this many votes if you say this and that many votes if you say that " and the commercial interests are dumping huge amounts of cash into his election campaign to sway him . Take into consideration where these "rules" are coming from. "Rules" said they could longline , Rules said they could Gill net , Rules said US Sugar could use the Gulf as their personal sewer, Rules say they can have 6 effluents dumping BILLIONS of gallons of treated sewage off our beaches every day, etc. , etc. "Rules" . Theyre for people who dont know what is right or do and dont care Or have to be curtailed as they will wipe out the fishery for $. If people didnt they wouldnt need "Rules" . Thats the bottom line.

[Broadbill]

Fishesdred,

The "get a life" was NOT directed at you, but everyone else who has nothing better to do than criticize a picture. Who give a s#$t how big the smaller fish is, it was released and everyone jumped all over them before they even knew the facts. Did the fish live??? Who knows. I have tagged a good number of fish and haven't got one back yet, hopefully we are not killing all these fish we "set free". This has always been a great forum, hopefully it's not going to get like the other ones with all the ridiculous comments.

GO FISHING, HAVE FUN!!! All of us know the rules and hopefully stay within them. And hopefully even more of us know to be more responsible, and keep fish WAY ABOVE the minimum.

-Scott

[RiskTaker]

Since this thread is still going, I thought I would also provide a link to an article posted on this forum in case you have not read it yet.

http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/b...h-release.html

Capt. Vinnie LaSorsa wrote this up about 2 years back and it is good information to absorb if you are not familiar with releasing fish.

BTW - is anyone else catching any swordfish recently? I've been land-lubbered for the past 3 weeks due to work committments and could not go if I wanted to. But we may give it a try for some Blackfin Tuna this weekend, live bait style.