5+ Hours HookedUP !! (HELP) SworDmans Story of the 1.

[jerry]

Wow, this is making for fun reading. My $.02, As far as the way I fish and I am no expert except for 30 odd years of offshore experience. The longer a fish is in the water the more chance there is of losing it. That is a policy I fish by. If a fish comes alongside and you have the experience to deal with it then do so. Whether flyer or poon. If you have a big green fish up and dont have that experience then thats different story. Its up to each of us, captain and crew to make that call. Dont fool yourselves though. A large, green fish can wreak havoc at boatside and the potential for injury and or death is very, very real.
As far as paying honor, I dont think that you take anything away from a fish whether you let it fight for 5 hours or 5 mins. My respect and admiration are just as great for either case.
Tight lines and be careful.

[HiD]

Like I said previously we were GOING to, now we GOT a POON. Thanks, Complete Angler, you guys are the BOMB !!!!
I can't wait for tomorrow, gonna STICK a few for sure, we need all the practice we can get with that thing.

CJ, wanna come along for the ride and find out who the ***** really is, oh yeah and bring a couple of those WIND ONS so we can attach our CHUM BAGS too.

HiD
Alfred

p.s. We'll be @ Matheson @ 4:30, you can't miss us, we are a bunch of crazy CUBANS with a POON.

[RiskTaker]

HiD:

If I ever happen to see anyone cruising the flats or cuts late at night looking for some Robalos with harpoon in hand, I will know for sure that we have found the crazy band of Guajiros.

(Kids, don't do this at home or you may get arrested: it is not Legal.) Although I do believe it sounds to be a bit more sporting than using a hook and line.

Now who is going to catch a sword with a Yo-yo setup? Sounds crazy but there might be some takers; probably from the big Island down south too. :lol:

[jerry]

ya man, you can count me in on the handline deal.

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

I have not tried to piss anyone off.....
I'm pissed off over hearing this crap about we hooked her up on the 49 at 7:15 and the fish put up a great fight on the 80W....we pooned it and waited for it to die.....we weighted it on the certified scale and it came in at 63 lbs....

or better yet...
we hooked her up at 7:15 and the fish was huge....we could tell just by the shear volume of water that was moved when it jumped dragging our floats.....the hole that this fish made was so big that it created 10 foot waves.....we knew we had the trophy of a life time.....we had only been hooked up for a second or two when we readied our harpoons...The fish having been on our hook for 3 minutes decied TO COME RIGHT AT US, so ned hammered it down with the poon....we could see that the poon had little affect on this fish so as ned held fast onto and fought the fish up so jimbo could get another dart into it.....that should do the trick....we waited till this monster bleed out and took the big $hit..........
Better yet, it's comming right at us....us the ak-1278...or call in an air strike.....shoot it, shoot it.....
Is this what you call fishing?......not me, my choice and I respect yours...

If I fight a fish for five hours and it gets away......That is what I call fishing, that is what it is all about, that is what keeps us all going out for more.....I would love to see any fish take me passed 5 hours.....so far about 3 hours is the longest for me....
Had three fisherman pass the rod back and forth for 4 and 1/2 hours....yes we got the fish.....no did not poon it....just put some beatiful gaffs into her...and wenched her @ss in right through the transom.....end game....hi-fives, anglers got their photos, sick amount of meat....and we did it the distance....they still talk about how sore they were after pulling on her....they talk about her with full resect to this day....
I'm not the greatest fisherman, not even implying that....matter of fact I don't fish any more than I have to....I like watch newbies have fun....I'm there for the business end of the deal....get payed, hope to hookem up, put em down, snap some photo's, dress them out, packem in ice, send them happily down the road....
Sorry if I have rattled anyones chains, I guess I'm old school.....
Free samples of Sword windon's to the first 10 upset fisherman that I ticked off......That way if my windon's fail on the 49 line you can bash the Cr@P out of me...of course you have to explain what happened........
email me first
Capt. John

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by CJWINDONLEADERS

I guess I'm old school.....
Free samples of Sword windon's to the first 10 upset fisherman that I ticked off......That way if my windon's fail on the 49 line you can bash the Cr@P out of me...of course you have to explain what happened........
email me first
Capt. John

I say windons are for Girly Men , If you were old school you would wire them up from 30' away.
John

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

I'm old school, I love wiring fish....I wear my sunglasses at night(amber)...I started to build windons after I noticed my clients always wanting to perch themselves between me and the transom as I'm wiring a fish.....no matter how much I tell them to get back.....some people just want a swivel or hook in the face or worse...Pull out a gaff and they peel off until fish is stuck and comming over the side.......I build windons for fisherman who don't have any experience on big or little fish.....they make fishing a heck of a lot easier for the non trained, limited experience group that basicly is everyone who has replied to this thread with the exception of a couple....
You can do what ever you want with my work as long as I get payed....
As far as me taking a ride.....I'm game, First you book me when I'm available, next you send part payment....balance on remaining payment to be payed on the day of the trip...Next I'm the law...It's my way or the highway...everyone gets this message....NO POONs even on your boat.....not taking it with us...If I say move, you move....no questions.... :twisted: and if your with me your not *****'s, your either real brave or incredibily stupid..... Fish pimping is easy, I get payed..............I'm done with this thread, see you on the dark side.......

[Nightfighter]

:high :salut:

[quack quack]

I started to build windons after I noticed my clients always wanting to perch themselves between me and the transom as I'm wiring a fish.....no matter how much I tell them to get back.....some people just want a swivel or hook in the face or worse...Pull out a gaff and they peel off until fish is stuck and coming over the side.......I build windons for fisherman who don't have any experience on big or little fish.....they make fishing a heck of a lot easier for the non trained, limited experience group



The same reason people use a poon are the same reasons you started building windons :shock: Any one that would hire you with that attitude would be an idiot.If all your worried about is getting paid then who cares what they use to kill a fish with.Like you said I am done with this.

[hannaman]

I never have a problem wiring my fish. Sometimes I have to tell the angler to keep the rod tip away from my head as Im bent over the gunnel pulling in my leader. I don't want to get lassoed around my head as I have to dump the leader. So yea sometimes you have to raise your voice for safety sake, its all part of the game and its a great time. BTW more than half the time I don't bring a mate.

[jerry]

Wind-ons are a great tool for fishing no matter what your experience level. Again a lot of these decisions, use of wind on's or straight leader, poons or flyers, come down to personal choices.
Yes, wind-on's have a lot of benefit for the beginner. But they also have great benefits for seasoned anglers as well. I fish all wind-on's, do I pull on those leaders? You bet. Nothing sweeter in fishing than taking a wrap on a fish thats gonna pull back.
I dont understand why we have to be critical of anyones fishing style. Give advise, sure, but never condemn. I have fished all over the world and love to see different techniques. One thing about offshore fishing, you can always learn something new. Anytime you think you know it all you are just shortchanging yourself.

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

I get plenty of free ride and work for us offers....I had to stop doing those trips.....I worked, they played, and I had nothing to pay the bills with....
I still love taking a wrap or two on fish from time to time...
I don't use a mate either.....
I'm a monster in size....that along with a booming voice still will not move anyone like a nice gleaming gaff....
This does infact come down to personal choice, I learn, and am still learning...it just doesn't stop.....
I was broken in on a Flier, thats what I use...My wifes clan are Native American and they still to this day harpoons, gigs, spears when posible....They are damn deadily with their subsistance hunting....
Out and gone...thanks for all the fun, This has been a great post...very entertaining for me.......GOD BLESS, STAY SAFE, and I don't Harpoon the BIG ONE by my choice, but my wifes clan does...
PEACE MY BROTHERS OF THE NIGHT....

[SNAPPY]

IMHO everyone should stick to what they are more comfortable with, Harpoon or gaff.If someone has mastered the art of catching swordfish and feel the need to give the fish a more fair advantage, then I suggest you put a yoyo(hand reel) out there and hang on :lol:

[Reelpleasure]

" Cheat a Champanion of an honorable fight" Do you really belive that fighting a fish to exhaustion is honerable? What if it is the wrong Species? What if the Fish is under size? You have killed a fish that might have lived if it was not fought to exhaustion. Once you see the fish and decide to take it for meat or whatever you owe it to the fish, and the safety of the crew to end the fight in a humane and ethical manner. Harpoons and Gaffs have been used for ever. How about MOBY DICK,
I guess all those guys were *****s too. The next time I go Deer Hunting
with my Bow I should shoot the Deer in the leg and let it bleed out for 3 days untill it dies of exhaustion. According to you that is the honorable thing to do. Maybe the wound will heel itself but the animil dies of infection. I'm glad many people do not agree with you,exhaustion is not an honorable death if you are going to harvest the Animal or Fish do it
quickly and do not let it suffer.

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

Some of the replies are unreal and show the level of angling experience that I expect to see on a daily basis....
You always stay on top of any situation esp. at night with in my personal belief that the sword is in the top 3 of all of the big nasties....
I rate miss swordy at 1 or 2.....alternating with miss mako....
Anyone with any more than one or two fish can tell right off the bat if you are playing with a Bitch, stud(marker), or pup...I use 80's outside with 100 lbs main with 220 bridals with 300 lbs windons...Fresh tinkers are my bait of choice....I don't spend any cash on squid.....
On that gear....you stop a pup in its tracks....and do not need to hit it with any kind of stick.....shorts are freed and hopifuly fight another day...
A marker is stuck with a Tool of anyones choice....
A Bitch is fought to controled complancy and hammered home with the business end of a TOOl of your choice....

Pitch dark, bunch of YO HO gungho GOOGIANS, and a nasty fish....does not make for an ideal date....

I think where this wonderful thread has gone south is this point....with poons it is to easy to cut short the life of a beatiful fish....I personally object to sticking fired up green fish...this is what I am hearing from just about every want to be up start sword player....

This thread was about a Big green meanie that was within hammering zone with a poon.....That fish MIGHT of caused some problems with these guys..... as they don't own a poon, they just asked were to buy one, I hope they bought one, looks like these guys may be new to swording,....They need to learn with someone on how to use it before actualy tring it green on a big green bitch.....If that fish was played for say another hour or two that fish would of been a little bit more spent and maybe a little bit more easily handled....If when that fish crusied up to the boat as in the story, green and hot, knowing that they were going to have problems with playing with this big gal that was still full of energy, drag goosed back a hair, hopifully the engine was running, bunmp into gear and slowly pull away from this fish....fight back to the boat, if still green, repeat, repeat until fish can be rolled and is managable....little gaff, tail rope, ect...end game...I have been in this stuation many times, experience is what I get payed for...take control of a problem and come home a winner.....
This is a common huge mistake, not prepared....no poon or flier....and no idea on how to handle the situation....and how to win in this under gunned situation.....
I have told many of my clients to back off the drag a hair, just a lbs or two at or near the boat a hair just to get a green fish that I believe will cause potential problems to my clients away from us.....I have no problem making that call....adds to the excitement......drag is goosed back up and and the fight continues....I have absolute faith in my tackle....We have never lost a fish yet do to hook pull or gear failure on a long fight....If we pull a fish it is right off the bat......I use circles only.....I want a good mouth hook.....I will not hurt them with J's simply because of the pups that we might kill by accident.....a bad J will bleed them good on a deep set.....
If you had bad knots, crimps, weak hooks, drags, reel screws, ect...those items are hopifuly delt with at the the barn.....
my gear is cherry before it gets put into play....
losing a fish due to bad hook set, pulled hook, ect....thats fishing gentalman and ladies....
losing a fish because something went bad due to stupid mistake that could of been takin care of at the dock.....absult stupidity.....

not preaching, not a know it all, have been around the block....

[Tuna Devil]

With all your experience how could you say you NEVER lost a fish in a long battle due to a pulled hook :?:
That is not a statement experience would make.
It only opens the door to the truthfulness of some of your other statements.

This is just one *****'s opinion.

[quack quack]

That tuna devil ***** can't even take a 3lb shot put to the head like some of us non *****'s can. :shock: :eye:

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

I have caught a Butt load of fish and I HAVE NEVER PULLED A HOOK ON A TROPHY FISH AT THE SIDE OF THE BOAT....I DON'T LOOSE MANY FISH PERIOD.....I am just REAL LUCKY....even though I believe that I'm just AVERAGE.....I Miss a good number at strike, esp. MF swords...feedem and hope the fish eats....I guess i'm PATIENT, and roll the fish....
KIDS are off for spring break starting the 10th, I'll be playing with my hook up ratio on miss swordy...see if I can fine tune it...I'll be one of the only boats out there with a FLIER on board....
see you out on I-50......
OH YA...FOR SALE....
USED LONG LINE GEAR.....
I have 900 lbs test main line, fighting bouys, Hi-fliers, Stainless line snaps with/ with out leaders.....Plenty of 9/0, 10/0 brand new mustad hooks still in the box.....leader drops ect.....my stuff is at least 10 years old but still salvagable....This stuff has been keep under cover and out of the sun.....Have some Fish Boxes to go as well...1000 lbs to 2500 lbs boxes.......NO HARPOONS......NO FLIERS(still using).....I was keeping the gear and hoping I could buy a hand haul permit and run off a mile or two of gear, but doesn't look like it is going to be possible for me any time soon due to a family passing.....too much going on.....
you can email me....yes I want good cash for the gear...

[Broadbill-Pro]

although i will reply to some of the above posts, i will share a bit of what i know of tuna fishing between the keys and north florida.

first i will tell a story about getting my butt handed to me. back in the early 80's i was fishing out front here doing fine with swords, everyday as usual 1 or 2 decent yfin or big eye was on the gear. nothing to brag about. a korean fellow rigged a vessel in pompano and sent it out with a local capt, but asian crew. we laughed because they filled the mainspool with tarred line (rope) and hard jap balls (jap gear). gear that we threw in the dumpster years before. they fished next to me for about 4 days. end result was 8000 lbs tuna for them to less than 1000 lb. for me. same bait, drift, moon, etc. only fishing deeper.

had i not experienced that ass whipping, i would tell you that they are just not that abundant on the here to target successfully. we generally headed west from fort meyers to south of tortugas for good yfin fishing. big eye and bluefin on the north and east side of the abacos. the big eye there are not the kind, but a few nice fish are available.

here chucker i'll throw you a bone. the vietnam LL fleet in the gulf hammered the yfin for years with live bait (gogs). 200 fish per day was not unheard of. that fishery to some extent is still active. now i will take the bone away, even before that fishery was discovered, we still did not catch them that well here.

anyone really want to break your back on yfin, go to cape town, south africa for a few days. the local sporties catch as many as 30 yfin in a day most in the +200 lb. class. along with that will be 30 or 40 longfin albacore with an avg. weight of 30 to 40 lbs. down side is that you will need some commercial assistance, to catch them that good you will be trolling in and out of a 250ft hake trawlers wake.

[Broadbill-Pro]

sorry, not sure how that post got here. try to paste it to the other forum