5+ Hours HookedUP !! (HELP) SworDmans Story of the 1.

[DORADOsteve]

Originally Posted by CJWINDONLEADERS

In my opion the ***** way to call yourself a big game fisherman...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

Using a poon is cheating in my book....I'll use a flier on a 10 foot jon boat....can you say sliegh ride.....I've used fliers on small boats and big boats...do your homework at the dock......no problems at home, no problems in the field.........Most production boats being made today are in my opion a little week in the strenght dept. compared to heavier built boats of a few years back.....

[RiskTaker]

CJWindonleaders:

I simply get a great chuckle when I see your posts: not too many on this forum to date. But God bless you, I respect your opinion. And we should all be respectful of other's comments too, so long as they do not name call : like cheaters or "***** way to call yourself a big game fisherman" etc. Well, now you are slightly implicated, maybe just a touch.

Somehow, way, shape or form, it seems that harpoons have been cited many times as a very safe, (ie. safety conscious way), way to secure foodfish, (ie. fish intended for food and not for release). As a matter of fact, I would actually prefer my (recreational) fish to be caught in a rapid capture technique, before that fish has had an opportunity to fight to exhaustion, (to be eligible for the Coup de Grace), by only a single choice of what? a Flyer gaff, solamente. (If you have the capability to distinguish between fish/meat carnal knowledge: would you prefer, A: a fresh kill, whacked ASAP: or B: a kill that was tried until in nearly died, then whacked (saturated with lactic acids, etc.) ???
Well who gave you that honor to say so. Obviously, it is your opinion so far: perhaps you are an IGFA man.

Harpoons are effective, Harpoons are safe (in a modern-barbaric sense): these are basic tools MAN. Wait ten years and see what possible arsenal devices we can use: you may find that firearms may not be so unreasonable after all, spears, clubs, rocks and the predecessors to those. Hooks and lines are an unfair advantage, but who complains about that?

[wahoo51]

ICJWINDONLEADERS,
I don't understand why you consider using a harpoon cheating vs. using a flyer.
I just see it as two diferent ways of securing a fish once you have it boatside. :???:
I just think harpoons are the way to go on a smaller boat with limited crew. In my opinion it is like the discusion of windons vs. Long leaders to a swivel. Windons just make more sence on small boats w/limited space and crew.

O---, maybe next time you will get a much better response if you refrain from the ***** comment.

Just my .02

[DORADOsteve]

CJWind,

No thanks on a large sword boatside with a flier stuck in her.

Bill swinging, tail kicking, gaff chewing up the side of the boat.

$10,000 in Awlgrip says "NO WAY". You will find many other sporties dont appreciate "battle scars" either.

[quack quack]

CJ: flyer=dead fish.Harpoon=dead fish. A sleigh ride in a 10ft jon boat sounds like fun. CJ You and I could probably do it. But most guys could not because they lack the experience and knowledge that comes from handling many big fish boatside.That is why a harpoon is a better option for most people.Even though I can handle any big fish that comes up I would still use a poon on a big sword. I am not fishing for a record just for fun and meat.This is like a bow hunter vs a gun hunter.Which one is right?Both in my opinion what ever floats your boat.

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

To each his own....I just grew up respecting all life on the water....I will never cheat a champion by stabbing it in the back....I am sure that we have all had green fish swim right up to the boat and not even know it was hooked.....could off free gaffed it and played hell in the box....
To me hooking into a fish without giving it every chance to escape as a rec. angler is just shameful.....I am Rec. fishing for a trophy of maybe a lifetime........enjoy every sec of that epic battle....Do you think that right after a client of mine, who pays me an insane amount of greenbacks to play, wants me to say" nice fish, as soon as it swims within killing range I'm sicking it and we'll just wait for it to bleed out"....No way...they get their money's worth....epic 5 minutes to 5 hours...they have fun...I burn this into their brains....relax, enjoy, have fun....We will get your fish, you will have a fish story to tell, you will have water photos, bloody deck shots, dock shots.....and most importantly you will have earned the right to say you did it right. Both fought to the point of exh., both earned each others respect. The angler has earned the right to free or have their exh. glad. put down in a honorable coup da gras....
I was a Com. and all I cared about was fish on and get it in quickly in any way, shape or form.....do it fast....I have killed as a market man chasing a buck and not giving a care.....I learned how to find and kill and profit with as little out of pocket cash, bodily harm to me or crew, damage to vessel(thats a joke..ha).....
Things have changed, I LEARNED the right way to respect what I am about to hunt........
We as REC. anglers have a duty to protect this resourse and savor every sec. of that high intensity battle with these fish we fight so hard to protect....
If we cheat these fish we are no better than the monster that I became chasing a buck.....
I personally would love to hook into a sword that can take me to five hours then kick me in the nuts.....I have so much respect for that fish and the angler that fought the epic great fight.....

[quack quack]

Just like politics and religon you do yours I will do mine and as long as you respect me and I will do the same.

[Nightfighter]

Originally Posted by CJWINDONLEADERS

stick her or stop her.....poon is for beginners to stop/cheat fish when they get near the boat for a look. In my opion the ***** way to call yourself a big game fisherman...

:high

Gaffs are for *****s who are to scared to jump in the water and kill her with a Swiss Army Knife.
I've also heard wind-ons are for *****s/cheaters who can't tie a Bimini.

[quack quack]

Didn't Tred Barta do that :lol: By the way Tred is a friend and this is a joke :lol:

[DORADOsteve]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter

I've also heard wind-ons are for *****s/cheaters who can't tie a Bimini.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[quack quack]

Doesn't Tek at Reel Pro Shops make the best wind-ons anyway :shock:

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

DUH? don't you tie in a bimini to make a loop? a Aussie? heck I've done a spider on occasion in spectra.......I do know of a few guy's that albright right to the loop on the bridle......
I can honestly state this fact....just about every company, person who builds windon's or topshots have either emailed me for directions, examples of my work, or knowhow on building them......I like Tek...he has called me several times, he emails me quite often.....he is tring to see if he and I can work out some business.....maybe ? who knows.....I hope so..any thing that can help my bottom line is all I want on my Custom Tackle....He has some of my work as of last week.....Go by and ask to see it.....I stand behind my work, offer limited terminal tackle sponsership to those who uphold the same fishing values that I use when in presuit of the trophy of a life time....I also donate to groups that promote solid family values with fishing as the method to promote these activities......
As far as playing far with a poon or flier.....I can cheat with a flier on a green fish, but I don't.....the fish is completely spent before I put her down....I do this to show absult respect to the contestant that is about to honor us as a thick steak cooking on a hot grill.....
I have respect for life, so before I end it, I let the future dinner guest breath a little bit longer and do not cheat it out of any less time that is due to it. I like to say" when I have complete control without any question it's time to die.".....

[quack quack]

[I like to say" when I have complete control without any question it's time to die."].....Dude your scaring me 8-[ remind me never to be your dinner guest.

[MAKO JOEY]

CJ If I would of had a Poon I would of used it the second I had a chance at it. Everyone has there own tacktic but to give up cating a fish of a lifetime becuse of my ego its just not me. I respect your opinion but *****s we are not. Plus a flyer and a dart same crap. Also after 5 hrs I wanted to land that S.O.B. Now I have a 12 ft poon and I am going bust anything that comes my way. Also I am on a 22 ft boat that thing was more than half the size of my boat.

[Nightfighter]

Originally Posted by CJWINDONLEADERS

stick her or stop her.....poon is for beginners to stop/cheat fish when they get near the boat for a look. In my opion the ***** way to call yourself a big game fisherman...

[quote="CJWINDONLEADERS"]DUH? don't you tie in a bimini to make a loop? quote]
You are so easy :roflmao: :roflmao:
If you were a reel man you could catch a swordie on a cane pole with crickets.
And why would anyone buy products like wind-ons from someone who who is a self proclamed raper of the sea, who is now born-again and thinks everyone who dosen't fish the way he does, is a *****. There are hunderds of people out there that make great wind-ons, and who don't spit in you face, and brag how cool they are.
As if there is some special majic in making a wind-on. :high

These guys are putting $ in your pocket and you dis them like that. [-X
What a wanker
Tek you don't need a biz partner like that.

[DORADOsteve]

Mako Joey,

I hope you find that fatty & stick her where it counts.

I'm done with this thread.

[CJWINDONLEADERS]

I have never attemped to piss anyone off....I call it as I see it...I run a tight IGFA ship period. As stated before I do not cheat a champion of an honorable death after it has been fought to exhustion....
If I just wanted meat then I would hang some hydroglows off the boat(TO ATTRACT FISH)....have 5 or 6 handlines in the 500 lbs range with a 250 to 300 lbs fluoro leader....Have a harpoon at hand...stopem or popem....wrapem and stickem., ...doen't that defeat the whole idea of SPORTFISHING....You know what....lets let the COM. guys get back in full time.....because that is the talk that I'm hearing from this group of pooners....Get it in close and the first chance we get..stick it and bleed her....Go in and hi-five...were good, were great...give me a break....Half baked cookies on the water.....YO HO.....

As far as my tackle goes...YES it is that special....It catches fish...thanks for asking. I only know of about 10 leader makers, myself included and only 3 or 4 are worth a squirt....
Notice the guys that do play by the same rules that I play with are not posting.....I am willing to state that there are more Rec.s that feel the way I do, and are less inclided to play by the quick, fast and dirty way of putting down a resource that we all want to protect......
If you use a poon or a flier at least have the guts to fight the fish to the bitter end.....
Not a Born again Fisherman........
I could careless if I lose a few sales over my thinking........at least I'm honest.....

[wackme]

i dont wanna start a fight or anything, my feelings are to yes kill the fish you want to eat as quick as possible between 60 and 115 lbs, but for fish over 200 (TROPHEY)which is a ton of meat as we well know. fight um until they look done and in reach of regular gaffs range, then harpoon em in case they have any sudden bursts of life. which is very fair to the fish and is basically the same the as a flying gaff at that distance.

by the way what does using a hydroglow do to "CHEAT A CHAMPION OF AN HONORABLE FIGHT"?

[quack quack]

OK CJ now we all know how you feel.Like I said you do it your way and other people will do it there way. Just do not preach to anyone that your way is better and do not insult the many good fisherman that do things different than you.The same guys you are bashing also release many legal fish to fight another day.Why cant you get over the fact that some people do things different than you.Just one question what if you fought your trophy of a life time for 5hrs to total execution and just as you go to gaff it the hook pulls and your trophy sinks to the bottom and becomes a mud dart.Now if you had the harpoon you could have reached out and got the fish.Is losing that fish better than if you used a poon to get it.