Hold off on the doom and gloom

[quack quack]

OK guys and gals the sky is not falling yet.While you could get a migraine trying to keep up with all the stuff going on we need to get things straight first.

While the LL issue is still there it is on the back burner for a bit.The day time secret is out and the slobs are hitting the deck fast.Maybe that is why the guy's in the keys were so tight with the info.

The quota issue is very complex but the fact that they could close this fishery if the rec-incidental quota was met is nothing new.But with the new limits and such there is concern it could happen.

The fact that nmfs might issue a gen permit for recs to sell fish is another issue we have to deal with as well.

The buoy guys are in the same confused state as the rest of us.NMFS is looking at raising the hp limits on a lot of permits as well.


It stead of one issue(LL) now we have many.

The bottom line comes back to ICCAT and the quota and how we can catch more to keep from giving some of our quota away.But like I said the more we give away the more imported fish will hit our market driving the price lower and having less guys commercially fish for swords to lead to us giving away more quota.

Bottom line is NMFS wants more swordfish caught so they are going to do what ever they feel will get the job done.Since we blocked the LLers they are going with plan B.But at this time we are not 100% sure what plan B is.

I am sure that by the end of the week we will all have a better understanding of what we are facing.So until all the facts are on the table lets keep cool and be ready to do what we have too to protect this fishery.


The most important thing to remember is we are all in this together.The forum,buoys,day,night,the sword club etc.We need to be together on these issues in the future.No more egos and other BS or them and us crap.

Because I will tell you right now divided we fall together we have a chance.

[Another Grand]

The "amendment" to close the fishery once the incidental quota is met was

Filed 10–4–07; 8:45 am

So, yes it is new as far as them having the right.

The question is why they have made that amendment?

I dont see this as gloom and doom, I believe that everybody who takes advantage of our great fishery needs to be informed, even if it concerning information that they really just dont want to hear.

[CAPTINMITCH]

Given the government's history of sucking at protecting a fishery, add to that the bouy guys and the daytimers whacking all the breeders, you're kidding yourself if you don't see this as a sign of the end. I said this years ago, enjoy this while you can, it won't last. I was figuring the commercial guys to wriggle their way around, never fathomed the daytime thing would happen.

[Another Grand]

Originally Posted by CAPTINMITCH

Given the government's history of sucking at protecting a fishery, add to that the bouy guys and the daytimers whacking all the breeders, you're kidding yourself if you don't see this as a sign of the end. I said this years ago, enjoy this while you can, it won't last. I was figuring the commercial guys to wriggle their way around, never fathomed the daytime thing would happen.

And that my friend is ignorance.....I know you will get upset, it is your nature if somebody has the nerve to question you....but......

didnt you catch a 79" and harvest it this weekend......kettle meet pot, probably was a breeder was it not.

Self Serving ....and your comment adds nothing constructive, and does nothing to inform or force people to think.....instead, comments like these force people to act, in turn, forcing the government to act to solve domestic issues in the fishery instead of working towards solutions

To put it quite simply.....you are wrong and you should retract your statement......but I will leave the forum policing to my good buddy Jessylyn
Because.....

This thread is in the wrong section.

[quack quack]

I do not why but to my understanding they always could close it down.Maybe the just want to make it public record for all to know.The question is why?I will tell you this NMFS wanted LLers in to the closed areas that we voiced our opinion against.So like I said time for plan B.Which might include getting the rec fishery closed because of comm fishing(even if by rec fisherman)Then they will save the day by giving the rec guys there own limit but at what cost?LLers

[Thumper235]

Originally Posted by quack quack

The most important thing to remember is we are all in this together.The forum,buoys,day,night,the sword club etc.We need to be together on these issues in the future.No more egos and other BS or them and us crap.

Because I will tell you right now divided we fall together we have a chance.

I agree 100%.

[Another Grand]

Originally Posted by Thumper235

I agree 100%.

And that is the one thing I agree 100% with as well

[Captain Ollie]

HA!.....HA!..........HA!!!

You said "together!"

FAT CHANCE!!

Just look at all the bickering with the daytime thing.
Electrics this and manual that. This ain't sporting...... Its much better to hand crank and risk heat stroke and heart attack....You might break a nail working the switch on the electric........BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

Then there's the issue of its not a good idea to take the "big breeders" during the day. (Which, by the way, I had assumed had already been caught by all us bouy guys.) Likewise its also bad if you keep too small a fish at night. But by golly do we all wanna see all those pice of your "first" and your "biggest." MORE....BLAH.......BLAH.............BLAH!!

Good thing that the folks at NMFS read this site.......

There will be peace in the Middle East before there is togetherness and agreement here on Ken's pond.

[quack quack]

Sorry Ollie but

[Another Grand]

Originally Posted by Captain Ollie

HA!.....HA!..........HA!!!

You said "together!"

FAT CHANCE!!

Just look at all the bickering with the daytime thing.
Electrics this and manual that. This ain't sporting...... Its much better to hand crank and risk heat stroke and heart attack....You might break a nail working the switch on the electric........BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

Then there's the issue of its not a good idea to take the "big breeders" during the day. (Which, by the way, I had assumed had already been caught by all us bouy guys.) Likewise its also bad if you keep too small a fish at night. But by golly do we all wanna see all those pice of your "first" and your "biggest." MORE....BLAH.......BLAH.............BLAH!!

Good thing that the folks at NMFS read this site.......

There will be peace in the Middle East before there is togetherness and agreement here on Ken's pond.

And that my friends is the sad truth.

My tournament, my club, my tackle shop, my pond, my fish, screw that tournament, screw that club, screw that tackle shop, get off my pond, stay away from my fish......is what goes on, M-F on here, and M-F in the community.

Until that changes.....we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Reality is a bitch.

[PURPLE FEVER]

WHEN IS THIS WIND GONNA LAY DOWN

[Boo's Cruise]

I've invested some personal hours attending most of the meetings in So. Fl that needed rec. sword anglers support. That being said I feel I have some rights to an opinion on the subject. I hope that's the case on here.

I guess after watching some of the dog and pony shows over the past year I'll just have to sit back and watch all this unfold in my back yard. It's just a real shame to see a fishery such as the one we are blessed to have and one we ALL love and share be treated like this. This tug O war is just so wrong. It just saddens my heart. I love sword fishing and it will be a sad day the day I have to give it up forever. IF in deed it ever happens and I HOPE to hell it dosen't. No doom or gloom just the harsh reality of humans and their actions.

Trust me I speak from experience growing up in California and watching the distruction of the fishery there with the swords. All political BS, greed and sheer lack of respect to the inviornment. I pray to God it does not happen again here in So FL. I would hope that past history and bad choices won't repeat themselves.

I have NO personal gain to any of this. Just a pure love of the sport and the fishery. And personally I do feel there is a balance to be met between all parties involed. Have always have felt that way, my possition on that has never waivered. I'm not stateing my personal views here to piss in anyones cherros just giving my .02 on the subject.

No one is ever happy totally with compromise. But I'm sure there has to be a plan that will make it a win, win in the end. Or too many eggos perhaps? I don't know! I'd like to think NOT. But I hope I can pass on to my children and my children can pass on to their childern the story of how the swordfishermen of So FL help built the fishery into a flurshing nursery and not a graveyard of distruction. I lived the later story in California most all my life. It was SAD! I'd hate to see it happen once again.

[Jesslyn]

Originally Posted by PURPLE FEVER

WHEN IS THIS WIND GONNA LAY DOWN

AG - Mike asked me to help him but as you did say it is in the wrong section and it shall move.

On the issue, If you think it is crazy now just wait untill Rec's can buy a permit to sell swordfish. WOW, I heard this morning the permit will cost $100. Basically bankrupting the permit holders who paid up to $25,000.00 for a permit now. WOW

[Nick C]

Originally Posted by Another Grand

but I will leave the forum policing to my good buddy Jessylyn
Because.....

This thread is in the wrong section.

Holy chit

Would be nice if everyone would just chill out and fish.

[Another Grand]

I agree.....it would be a beautiful thing.

It would be an even more beautful thing if individuals took the time to inform themselves and partake in these debates, expressing their "now educated" opinion instead of signing on and saying why do I have to deal with this BS or I wish the wind would stop.

But.....quoting an esteemed member of the community....

"We should just shut up and fish"

And sometimes, I have to agree.

I need a Mexico vacation for Tuna, anybody want to sponsor?

[Captain Ollie]

Sorry Quack but I had to throw that on the table. Nothing wrong with what you said. I just had to point out the ridiculous reality of the situation.

For better or worse, it is what it is.

I had to put that out there after I asked a third party, that could give a crap about fishing, to read some of what goes on here.

[quack quack]

It's all good Ollie.But we need to reach some common ground on which to build on.

[Another Grand]

Originally Posted by Captain Ollie

Sorry Quack but I had to throw that on the table. Nothing wrong with what you said. I just had to point out the ridiculous reality of the situation.

For better or worse, it is what it is.

I had to put that out there after I asked a third party, that could give a crap about fishing, to read some of what goes on here.

What did she tell you you were having relationship problems and you used us to prove you were thought you were doing all right comparitively

[swordgirl]

Originally Posted by Boo's Cruise

I guess after watching some of the dog and pony shows over the past year I'll just have to sit back and watch all this unfold in my back yard. It's just a real shame to see a fishery such as the one we are blessed to have and one we ALL love and share be treated like this. This tug O war is just so wrong. It just saddens my heart.

Its good to see a lady come on here and tell these boys what's up. And they call women bitches?????? You can tell the guys apart by the ones who are always complaining about the way this and that is, and others who are trying to bring some common ground to the community, and stop making politics over everything about this fishery.

All of this compalining doesn't do anything good.

By the way too, I have gone swordfishing a fair amount of times with my husband and I love it too. I even have a swordfish tattoo.

[quack quack]

OK Swordgirl tell us the location of your tat.A pic would be good as well.