How to help our qutoa

quack quack · 10-03-2006, 08:02 AM

Tell me what you think and if you agree.

OK if NMFS wants to raise our catch of the quota in this area this is my plan

1.If you want to put more commercial fishing in this area issue rod and reel only permits

2. limit buoy gear to no more than 10 guys

3.Make the rec limit 1 per person up to 10 fish

Before everyone flips on the 10 fish deal how many times could you or any one you know get 10 fish in one night.

The reason for the 10 fish limit would be for a new access to the fishery
headboats The one boat running takes 10 guys and divides the fish equally.So one guy gets a fish and has to give away 90% of it.If every one had a chance of catching and keeping there own fish they would be booked every trip.I know the charter guys reading this might not like this but the headboat guys would not be the same guys that would charter them.I think we could have up to 4 headboats running from Miami to Jupiter.

These things would certainly help us get more fish to wards the quota and limit buoy gear and make any so called unlicensed commercial fisherman that are currently hiding in the rec fishing fleet come out of the closet

ps 10 fish limit only for boats that carry more than 10 people.
5 fish for reg rec fisherman.
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Eat or be Eaten!

quack quack · 10-03-2006, 08:51 AM

2 no's with out any input :???: on what to change.

2ndChance · 10-03-2006, 08:59 AM

I do agree with your thoughts
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Why can't we call in all tagged and released fish?
It is our choice and conservation limits that allow these fishes to grow. If other counrties are keeping the RATS, then we should be allowed to count our releases towards the quota.

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catching · 10-03-2006, 09:00 AM

QQ,

sounds like a logical plan, but will some of the rec guys be able to get the Rod and reel permit?

On the 10 per night even on the head migt be pushing it to the extreme their min to leave port is 10 with a max of 15 guys fishing.

I would say up to five since that would be a shit load meat once divided up. This would also give everyone a fair chance to land one in the time it takes to run out, set up, catch a few fish and head back. I do not think there would be a way to catch 10 fish on a head boat in one night unless they extend the trip time or the Swords decided not to fight back :lol:

The crew on the Catch my drift is good but handling more than two fish at a time would be nuts even on a boat that size remember they need to land the fish to keep guys coming back for their chance to hook up, not set a record for how many they caught in one night.

Guess I will vote yes for your idea but think the limit of 10 is a bit too much, think we can raise the legal size to 55 inches while we are at it?

emijess · 10-03-2006, 09:21 AM

:thumright: :thumleft:

reeltherapy · 10-03-2006, 11:40 AM

QQ,

I think you could be on to something here. With a little tweeking this dog might hunt.

With the right limits on # of bouy's, bouy permits and drops, I'd be a yes.

reeltherapy · 10-03-2006, 12:20 PM

RT,

Here's you a shot of those wide open spaces. It's where those Bulls like to run out of. You need to try it some day!!! The color right now is breathtaking!

I'm sure none of you guys would recognize this spot. It is one of the hottest spots on the Mtn. We've taken some nice elk from the area for several years now. Maybe right now you're wondering what this has to do with swording, well, bear with me. It's also close to private ranch. The herds have used the area just as swords use areas to reproduce. There's one ranch in our midst that has the hottest of the hot areas in the midst of the rut. 35 plus herd bulls will have their harems in there. This particular ranch has began an indiscriminate assault on the elk. While they have every right to hunt and fill tags which the law allows, if they continue to take 29 bulls on opening day, 1st rifle, the herd will be dessimated because of a lack of self restraint by a few who actually have broken no law. This is a case where the D.O.W. must revise the law to address a need for conservation.

I see the same issues here with our swording. There's a need to revise the regs in order to best address these challenges which are before us. The one thing I'm convinced of is that the majority, if not all of us, want the fishery to not only recover but to remain healthy. Hopefully, some of the folks who are decision makers, regarding Regs, are reading these posts. Also, and especially if they are, it will be in our best interest to be nice and kind even though our views may differ on some points. We'll get more done that way

It sounds like QQ is on to something here that might be helpful and in my humble opinion, deserves consideration and input.

Reel T

PS, cant figure out how to get a pic in the message area or I would give you another shot of Horns without having to change the avatar!!!

Nick C · 10-03-2006, 03:57 PM

QQ is a clueless LL'er

... j/k quackers

quack quack · 10-03-2006, 04:02 PM

Get back to your home work or I will tell Dave and he will get the cardboard :lol:

Nick C · 10-03-2006, 04:11 PM

I ain't skeered of that little P*$$y... But I when i get him out on the BW, i think there's enough room for him in the bow to bust out the cardboard :roflmao:

Ok... Back to the quota... If I didn't have to go to school everyday, there wouldn't be a problem with the US filling the quota :lol:

Darkside · 10-03-2006, 04:35 PM

Maybe if the rec. fisherman would have reported their for the last three years our #'s would be in the 10's of thousands instead of just 1100. It was at one of the first SESC club meetings that i stood in front and said that every fish we don't report would be going to a foreign longliner, once the US quota was reduced. Hopefully we can somehow get everyone on the same page with reporting their fish. The big misconception was that reporting our fish would help the LL'ers back into the straights, when they were forced out because of bycatch. I know this isn't a resolution to the problem but maybe by next year the rec's catch #'s will be in the 10's of thousands. We need to work together rec's and commercials to resolve this problem so we can retain the US quota.

Barnacle Bill · 10-03-2006, 04:51 PM

The idea of increasing fishing pressure on the closed nursery areas has little merit. The areas outside the closed areas are not seeing hard fishing pressure. Why should it come here? There are only 44 boats in the US longline fleet. let the NMFS manage that fishery for more production, i.e. allow our fleet permits for more or bigger boats, and permit them for swords only.
Remember that the closure areas are what is responsible for the comeback in the first place. Will we kill the golden goose to get the last egg rather than wait for her to lay more?
Another issue is that the US consumes lots of imported swordfish. If US consumers only bought domestic product the prices would come up to a level that would make it more profitable for our guys, and they would increase their fishing pressure in the open zones.
In response to your proposals,
1 No, but if any permits come in here, lets all fish on a level playing field, rod and reel only, same 3 fish bag limit for everyone.
2 Eliminate buoy gear altogether. The associated problems of lost gear, conflicting interest groups, etc are not worth it.
3 Keep the bag limits the same. It's working, don't fix it ! The headboat gig is great for the guys that don't have a boat, but if you catch 3 fish and divide 10 ways, thats about 20# of steaks for everyone aboard. Isn't that enough?

I understand how important it is to reach the quota, but killing more small fish will help us reach our quota like trying to fill a bucket by spitting in it and will kill off the stock as well.

Bill

reel life · 10-03-2006, 05:10 PM

i am a no to your poll
if you want to fish the closed area pony up the cheese to buy out a PLL
i would grant the fleet a upgrade on size and power so they could fish farther off shore
so who gets the new permits in your plan or does every body get 1

RiskTaker · 10-03-2006, 06:52 PM

Reeltherapy:

To post a picture put in on the internet. For example Photobucket.com offers space for free. From there you will have a web linkage to the data.

To post on most forums your will need the right syntax to see the picture. To make life easy for you on this site, you click the IMG button once to initiate the syntax [img] then you paste in the internet link to the image, this can be found by selecting the image and reviewing the properties, or in the case of photobucket the complete syntax is "spoon fed to you" then complete by clicking the img* [/img].

Show me some elk photos. Man now I am hungry for some tasty elk. Do you get these with .30 caliber missiles or do you need to go larger. That first Avatar looked like a big bull. Sorry for the derail, but somebody sidetracked me. I had a post from this morning but it never made it to print, busy day at the office and never had a chance to get out.

Anyway, I posted tentatively yes. I am not so hard headed that I cannot compromise. I prefer to keep buoy gear out of here. But in the multi-faceted world we live, we must make many consideration to achieve a reasonable balance.

Quack quack, you have PM.

This fishing forum is the perfect place to hash out these differences, Now that "The Beast" has accepted commercial fishing as his "personal Savior", the more reasonable left wing and right wink can crunch the details amongst ourselves to figure the reasonable bounding mechanisms. As soon as you have convinced yourself what the proper recommendation it, then I encourage you to put it in writing and send it to NMFS.

Most likely the SESC will be having a meeting at the next available pre-determined time slot. This could be a perfect situation to further refine ideas that are generally acceptable to a diverse group of interests. Members are notified, and guests are welcomed with an invitation. If you want to be invited, then you simply need to ask someone you know that is a member. Clearly, PLL is off limits for the closed zones but commercial PLL may be available to discuss the concerns for a better understanding of all we details we need to consider.

The NMFS meeting of last week clearly created a pro-recreational posture by the large attendance factor. Thanks to all that attended and behaved.

I believe this made an impactful statement for the decision makers. Hopefully, we will contine the constreuctive dialogue to ge the recommendations just right.

Darkside · 10-03-2006, 07:12 PM

Not sure maybe someone (we all know who) can answer this question? Is their a percentage of fish released by PLL's that NMFS says still dies even though released? If so then why can't NMFS let rec.s call in their releases to get a total # then take the total # and get whatever percentage that maybe from their research and include that too the quota. Hopefully some other ideas to help fill the quota can be brought up not just he said she said BS

ProfessorO · 10-03-2006, 07:22 PM

I agree that we should all report our fish catches. However, the rec catch
out of the FL straits will be in the noise level of the tonnage needed for
the US swordfish quota. The commercial guys are really annoyed that they
can't come in here and catch fish to sell,but they know that there is a
large illegal backdoor market in swordfish in S FL. I really hope that the
Feds come in and make numerous arrests. There is a dark cloud
hovering over our fishery. cheers, arthur

Hicatch · 10-03-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkside

Not sure maybe someone (we all know who) can answer this question? Is their a percentage of fish released by PLL's that NMFS says still dies even though released? If so then why can't NMFS let rec.s call in their releases to get a total # then take the total # and get whatever percentage that maybe from their research and include that too the quota. Hopefully some other ideas to help fill the quota can be brought up not just he said she said BS

They're called dead discards and they are counted against the quota.

The BEAST · 10-03-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RiskTaker

Anyway, I posted tentatively yes. I am not so hard headed that I cannot compromise. I prefer to keep buoy gear out of here. But in the multi-faceted world we live, we must make many consideration to achieve a reasonable balance.

Yes, but No! Don't your ballz hurt from straddling that fence! :lol: Even though I don't agree with them, I have the utmost respect for BB-Pro, Captain Ollie, QQ, and many others, because they never waiver in their stance on this subject.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiskTaker

Now that "The Beast" has accepted commercial fishing as his "personal Savior", the more reasonable left wing and right wink can crunch the details amongst ourselves to figure the reasonable bounding mechanisms. As soon as you have convinced yourself what the proper recommendation it, then I encourage you to put it in writing and send it to NMFS.

If you were trying to pizz me off, it worked!!! I take this statement personally. You are the one who labelled me "commercial". From the very minute I came on this forum I shouted conservation, trying to encourage catch and release for the growth of the fishery for our children and grandchildren. Since that very first post I have been schooled to the contrary about the "quota" being so important, even though the "quota hasn't been reached in 14 years and ICCAT hasn't cut it yet. Now I say I am going to kill every legal Sword I catch (legal limits, of course) to help reach this almighty "quota", and you now say commercial is my "personal savior." Are you so silly as to alienate the very people who are really on your pro-recreational side? Obviously, you are! I hope that others on this forum don't see me in the light as you do, but if they do, let me know. I can very easily go back to catching, writing reports, and keeping mama warm!

Problem is you pass a whole lot of gas out of your azz and that is about the extent of it. You are all talk, excuse me, type. QQ has and idea, BB-Pro had an idea, Ollie, had an idea, I had an idea, and maybe none are really worthy of further mention but at least we are thinking. All you do is "encourage". You are simply a cheerleader, with no ideas!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiskTaker

The NMFS meeting of last week clearly created a pro-recreational posture by the large attendance factor. Thanks to all that attended and behaved.

I believe this made an impactful statement for the decision makers. Hopefully, we will contine the constreuctive dialogue to ge the recommendations just right.

Which cloud are you on? Do you think for 1 minute that a showing of 300 rec anglers and a short speech by 6 of them, actually made an impact large enough to quell the continued attempt of persuasion with high dollar backing by the LL's, wholesalers, etc. You are in La La Land! This push and the "quota" reminder will arise every year until they finally get back in or close enough to reap some of the benefits of this fishery. Stop and ask yourself why the "quota" thing keeps popping up. It hasn't been reached in 14 years but its the only card they have to lay down before folding. Wake up and smell the coffee!

I am off to NC in a couple of hours to try and catch some of the escapees and leftover by-catch of the LL's up that way. :lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe, this will all be remedied by the time I get back and we can go back to fishing and talking chit!

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

RiskTaker · 10-04-2006, 07:55 AM

Capt. Jim:

If I pissed you off, I am glad for you because you deserved it.

You can say whatever you want. Just remember I can fling shit just as good as everyone else, but I generally refrain. So if you want me to continue flinging shit on you, just keep it up. Rah Rah Rah.

You are about the only person that has critical comments about me on this forum. Many are very appreciative that I can and do bring good content to the table. And I am complimented for that. Only you, sir, is having the temper tantrum and getting pissed off and taking it personally. If you want to call me a "no ideas" cheerleader: I will spin that on you, and thank you for at least recognizing me as a leader. Granted, my exact list of thoughts/recommendations have not been stated in lump form on this forum yet for two reasons: 1 - some of the ideas may not necessarily be identical to what was presented at NMFS meeting. So I have held back, in order to stay consistent and united as a recreational voice. I also had a specific job to do, yeah to exactly be a cheerleader, to assist in rallying the recreational troops on behalf of SESC leadership requests. (I guess you got me there - thanks for the compliment, rah rah rah, must have left the pom poms on the boat. 2 - Good ideas are still being presented by many contributors. I cherish the idea that people are thinking for themselves about the various possibilities and are formulating their own "thought out" recommendations. Believe me, I will state my mind with the exact line items which I recommend. This is too important of subject matter for me to leave that out of a post as a frivolous oversight. If you think I pass too much gas through my azz, go ahead and pull my finger, for another good whiff.

I am clearly in the pro-recreation camp, if you don't already know that by now. The reasons that I bring up considerations for commercial fishing interests is because if we have no consideration for their interests, we're dead. Pass me the pitch fork, or trident if you will. Call me a dreamer if you like, but I believe we can Win when we apply ourselves properly. But in this game I think (IMO), Ultra-conservative = LOSER. And your stance, before you "converted" looks, sounds, smells like a LOSER.

But I ain't done until the fat lady sings. But I hope your done: because you are an island. I appreciate the fact that you are so conservation minded, perhaps to a fault. But that mindset is not going to win any battles in this subject matter.

You say I am on a cloud, I am naive.... Sure there are things that I don't know. But I am making it my business to explore and learn the things that I need to know to improve my "knowledgeable" position, and it ain't straddling a fence with my balls rubbin' the barbed wire neither.

I know that when one needs to negotiate, sometimes you need to ask for a little more. Because when the deal is done you always wind up with less than what you initially asked for. We cannot also be ignorant of other people's concerns, like the big players a/k/a commercial fishermen. I am putting that stuff on the table for consideration. So go ahead call me thinkless mindless cloud floater. I know where I stand, and my shoes are clean.

The more posts you put on here the better I understand you. Frankly, I am not pissed, but I am certainly not that impressed if you are acting like a loose cannon.

I did think the "commercial crack", as your personal Savior was a funny one though, because if anyone has waffled, it is you, based upon your very own words, which you even repeated as being sincere, and not a spoof. Take a look in the mirror. Read your own posts: you have waffled. Maybe you would be good in politics, you've got some good basic skills for it: I am sure you'd get at least a few votes.

Jim, if you have taken any of my statements personally, that is OK. But if you may have noticed or not: I have busted my azz to post and post and post, to try to band people together, and come to a united consensus for the NMFS meeting. Due to many people's effort, including a little bit of my own, this was a success. It does not win the war. But now is the time to refine the stratgey. Sometimes you have to be the Devil's advocate to not be so Naive, otherwise, you may miss some key points that may lose the war.

I could get pissed off with you too, but I know that would be a waste of my time. :razz: But a good razzing makes me feel so much better. RiskTaker a/k/a Michael B. (Oh yeah, and I approve this message.)

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10-03-2006, 08:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,527	How to help our qutoa Tell me what you think and if you agree. OK if NMFS wants to raise our catch of the quota in this area this is my plan 1.If you want to put more commercial fishing in this area issue rod and reel only permits 2. limit buoy gear to no more than 10 guys 3.Make the rec limit 1 per person up to 10 fish Before everyone flips on the 10 fish deal how many times could you or any one you know get 10 fish in one night. The reason for the 10 fish limit would be for a new access to the fishery headboats The one boat running takes 10 guys and divides the fish equally.So one guy gets a fish and has to give away 90% of it.If every one had a chance of catching and keeping there own fish they would be booked every trip.I know the charter guys reading this might not like this but the headboat guys would not be the same guys that would charter them.I think we could have up to 4 headboats running from Miami to Jupiter. These things would certainly help us get more fish to wards the quota and limit buoy gear and make any so called unlicensed commercial fisherman that are currently hiding in the rec fishing fleet come out of the closet ps 10 fish limit only for boats that carry more than 10 people. 5 fish for reg rec fisherman. _________________ Eat or be Eaten! __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

10-03-2006, 08:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,527	2 no's with out any input :???: on what to change. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

10-03-2006, 08:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
2ndChance Lines In Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines Occupation: Realtor & Mortgage Broker Posts: 85	I do agree with your thoughts * Why can't we call in all tagged and released fish? It is our choice and conservation limits that allow these fishes to grow. If other counrties are keeping the RATS, then we should be allowed to count our releases towards the quota. * __________________ 2ND Chance Charters Captain Tony Azeem Sponsored by: Captian Mark's Chum & Sword Slasher Products.

10-03-2006, 03:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,154	QQ is a clueless LL'er ... j/k quackers __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

10-03-2006, 09:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
catching Grander Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,507	QQ, sounds like a logical plan, but will some of the rec guys be able to get the Rod and reel permit? On the 10 per night even on the head migt be pushing it to the extreme their min to leave port is 10 with a max of 15 guys fishing. I would say up to five since that would be a shit load meat once divided up. This would also give everyone a fair chance to land one in the time it takes to run out, set up, catch a few fish and head back. I do not think there would be a way to catch 10 fish on a head boat in one night unless they extend the trip time or the Swords decided not to fight back :lol: The crew on the Catch my drift is good but handling more than two fish at a time would be nuts even on a boat that size remember they need to land the fish to keep guys coming back for their chance to hook up, not set a record for how many they caught in one night. Guess I will vote yes for your idea but think the limit of 10 is a bit too much, think we can raise the legal size to 55 inches while we are at it?

10-03-2006, 09:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
emijess Lines In Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 97	:thumright: :thumleft:

10-03-2006, 11:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
reeltherapy Hooked Up Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Timberline & 50 Line Posts: 119	QQ, I think you could be on to something here. With a little tweeking this dog might hunt. With the right limits on # of bouy's, bouy permits and drops, I'd be a yes.

10-03-2006, 12:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
reeltherapy Hooked Up Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Timberline & 50 Line Posts: 119	RT, Here's you a shot of those wide open spaces. It's where those Bulls like to run out of. You need to try it some day!!! The color right now is breathtaking! I'm sure none of you guys would recognize this spot. It is one of the hottest spots on the Mtn. We've taken some nice elk from the area for several years now. Maybe right now you're wondering what this has to do with swording, well, bear with me. It's also close to private ranch. The herds have used the area just as swords use areas to reproduce. There's one ranch in our midst that has the hottest of the hot areas in the midst of the rut. 35 plus herd bulls will have their harems in there. This particular ranch has began an indiscriminate assault on the elk. While they have every right to hunt and fill tags which the law allows, if they continue to take 29 bulls on opening day, 1st rifle, the herd will be dessimated because of a lack of self restraint by a few who actually have broken no law. This is a case where the D.O.W. must revise the law to address a need for conservation. I see the same issues here with our swording. There's a need to revise the regs in order to best address these challenges which are before us. The one thing I'm convinced of is that the majority, if not all of us, want the fishery to not only recover but to remain healthy. Hopefully, some of the folks who are decision makers, regarding Regs, are reading these posts. Also, and especially if they are, it will be in our best interest to be nice and kind even though our views may differ on some points. We'll get more done that way It sounds like QQ is on to something here that might be helpful and in my humble opinion, deserves consideration and input. Reel T PS, cant figure out how to get a pic in the message area or I would give you another shot of Horns without having to change the avatar!!!

10-03-2006, 04:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,527	Get back to your home work or I will tell Dave and he will get the cardboard :lol: __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

10-03-2006, 04:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,154	I ain't skeered of that little P*$$y... But I when i get him out on the BW, i think there's enough room for him in the bow to bust out the cardboard :roflmao: Ok... Back to the quota... If I didn't have to go to school everyday, there wouldn't be a problem with the US filling the quota :lol: __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

10-03-2006, 04:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Darkside Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 384	Maybe if the rec. fisherman would have reported their for the last three years our #'s would be in the 10's of thousands instead of just 1100. It was at one of the first SESC club meetings that i stood in front and said that every fish we don't report would be going to a foreign longliner, once the US quota was reduced. Hopefully we can somehow get everyone on the same page with reporting their fish. The big misconception was that reporting our fish would help the LL'ers back into the straights, when they were forced out because of bycatch. I know this isn't a resolution to the problem but maybe by next year the rec's catch #'s will be in the 10's of thousands. We need to work together rec's and commercials to resolve this problem so we can retain the US quota.

10-03-2006, 04:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Barnacle Bill Grunt Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Palm Beach County Posts: 13	Quota The idea of increasing fishing pressure on the closed nursery areas has little merit. The areas outside the closed areas are not seeing hard fishing pressure. Why should it come here? There are only 44 boats in the US longline fleet. let the NMFS manage that fishery for more production, i.e. allow our fleet permits for more or bigger boats, and permit them for swords only. Remember that the closure areas are what is responsible for the comeback in the first place. Will we kill the golden goose to get the last egg rather than wait for her to lay more? Another issue is that the US consumes lots of imported swordfish. If US consumers only bought domestic product the prices would come up to a level that would make it more profitable for our guys, and they would increase their fishing pressure in the open zones. In response to your proposals, 1 No, but if any permits come in here, lets all fish on a level playing field, rod and reel only, same 3 fish bag limit for everyone. 2 Eliminate buoy gear altogether. The associated problems of lost gear, conflicting interest groups, etc are not worth it. 3 Keep the bag limits the same. It's working, don't fix it ! The headboat gig is great for the guys that don't have a boat, but if you catch 3 fish and divide 10 ways, thats about 20# of steaks for everyone aboard. Isn't that enough? I understand how important it is to reach the quota, but killing more small fish will help us reach our quota like trying to fill a bucket by spitting in it and will kill off the stock as well. Bill

10-03-2006, 05:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
reel life Hooked Up Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Knot sure Boat: REEL LIFE Best Catch: Iron Babe Occupation: Captain Posts: 162	i am a no to your poll if you want to fish the closed area pony up the cheese to buy out a PLL i would grant the fleet a upgrade on size and power so they could fish farther off shore so who gets the new permits in your plan or does every body get 1 __________________ born to fish forced to work Capt. Ray C dragon baits from the other forum

10-03-2006, 06:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Had one once, then it took the boat away Posts: 1,967	Reeltherapy: To post a picture put in on the internet. For example Photobucket.com offers space for free. From there you will have a web linkage to the data. To post on most forums your will need the right syntax to see the picture. To make life easy for you on this site, you click the IMG button once to initiate the syntax [img] then you paste in the internet link to the image, this can be found by selecting the image and reviewing the properties, or in the case of photobucket the complete syntax is "spoon fed to you" then complete by clicking the img* [/img]. Show me some elk photos. Man now I am hungry for some tasty elk. Do you get these with .30 caliber missiles or do you need to go larger. That first Avatar looked like a big bull. Sorry for the derail, but somebody sidetracked me. I had a post from this morning but it never made it to print, busy day at the office and never had a chance to get out. Anyway, I posted tentatively yes. I am not so hard headed that I cannot compromise. I prefer to keep buoy gear out of here. But in the multi-faceted world we live, we must make many consideration to achieve a reasonable balance. Quack quack, you have PM. This fishing forum is the perfect place to hash out these differences, Now that "The Beast" has accepted commercial fishing as his "personal Savior", the more reasonable left wing and right wink can crunch the details amongst ourselves to figure the reasonable bounding mechanisms. As soon as you have convinced yourself what the proper recommendation it, then I encourage you to put it in writing and send it to NMFS. Most likely the SESC will be having a meeting at the next available pre-determined time slot. This could be a perfect situation to further refine ideas that are generally acceptable to a diverse group of interests. Members are notified, and guests are welcomed with an invitation. If you want to be invited, then you simply need to ask someone you know that is a member. Clearly, PLL is off limits for the closed zones but commercial PLL may be available to discuss the concerns for a better understanding of all we details we need to consider. The NMFS meeting of last week clearly created a pro-recreational posture by the large attendance factor. Thanks to all that attended and behaved. I believe this made an impactful statement for the decision makers. Hopefully, we will contine the constreuctive dialogue to ge the recommendations just right.

10-03-2006, 07:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Darkside Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 384	Not sure maybe someone (we all know who) can answer this question? Is their a percentage of fish released by PLL's that NMFS says still dies even though released? If so then why can't NMFS let rec.s call in their releases to get a total # then take the total # and get whatever percentage that maybe from their research and include that too the quota. Hopefully some other ideas to help fill the quota can be brought up not just he said she said BS

10-03-2006, 07:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
ProfessorO Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hollywood, FL Boat: Wellcraft 270 Coastal Best Catch: All of them Occupation: Professor of Physical Oceanography Posts: 533	I agree that we should all report our fish catches. However, the rec catch out of the FL straits will be in the noise level of the tonnage needed for the US swordfish quota. The commercial guys are really annoyed that they can't come in here and catch fish to sell,but they know that there is a large illegal backdoor market in swordfish in S FL. I really hope that the Feds come in and make numerous arrests. There is a dark cloud hovering over our fishery. cheers, arthur

10-04-2006, 07:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Had one once, then it took the boat away Posts: 1,967	Thanks Capt. Jim, right back at you. Capt. Jim: If I pissed you off, I am glad for you because you deserved it. You can say whatever you want. Just remember I can fling shit just as good as everyone else, but I generally refrain. So if you want me to continue flinging shit on you, just keep it up. Rah Rah Rah. You are about the only person that has critical comments about me on this forum. Many are very appreciative that I can and do bring good content to the table. And I am complimented for that. Only you, sir, is having the temper tantrum and getting pissed off and taking it personally. If you want to call me a "no ideas" cheerleader: I will spin that on you, and thank you for at least recognizing me as a leader. Granted, my exact list of thoughts/recommendations have not been stated in lump form on this forum yet for two reasons: 1 - some of the ideas may not necessarily be identical to what was presented at NMFS meeting. So I have held back, in order to stay consistent and united as a recreational voice. I also had a specific job to do, yeah to exactly be a cheerleader, to assist in rallying the recreational troops on behalf of SESC leadership requests. (I guess you got me there - thanks for the compliment, rah rah rah, must have left the pom poms on the boat. 2 - Good ideas are still being presented by many contributors. I cherish the idea that people are thinking for themselves about the various possibilities and are formulating their own "thought out" recommendations. Believe me, I will state my mind with the exact line items which I recommend. This is too important of subject matter for me to leave that out of a post as a frivolous oversight. If you think I pass too much gas through my azz, go ahead and pull my finger, for another good whiff. I am clearly in the pro-recreation camp, if you don't already know that by now. The reasons that I bring up considerations for commercial fishing interests is because if we have no consideration for their interests, we're dead. Pass me the pitch fork, or trident if you will. Call me a dreamer if you like, but I believe we can Win when we apply ourselves properly. But in this game I think (IMO), Ultra-conservative = LOSER. And your stance, before you "converted" looks, sounds, smells like a LOSER. But I ain't done until the fat lady sings. But I hope your done: because you are an island. I appreciate the fact that you are so conservation minded, perhaps to a fault. But that mindset is not going to win any battles in this subject matter. You say I am on a cloud, I am naive.... Sure there are things that I don't know. But I am making it my business to explore and learn the things that I need to know to improve my "knowledgeable" position, and it ain't straddling a fence with my balls rubbin' the barbed wire neither. I know that when one needs to negotiate, sometimes you need to ask for a little more. Because when the deal is done you always wind up with less than what you initially asked for. We cannot also be ignorant of other people's concerns, like the big players a/k/a commercial fishermen. I am putting that stuff on the table for consideration. So go ahead call me thinkless mindless cloud floater. I know where I stand, and my shoes are clean. The more posts you put on here the better I understand you. Frankly, I am not pissed, but I am certainly not that impressed if you are acting like a loose cannon. I did think the "commercial crack", as your personal Savior was a funny one though, because if anyone has waffled, it is you, based upon your very own words, which you even repeated as being sincere, and not a spoof. Take a look in the mirror. Read your own posts: you have waffled. Maybe you would be good in politics, you've got some good basic skills for it: I am sure you'd get at least a few votes. Jim, if you have taken any of my statements personally, that is OK. But if you may have noticed or not: I have busted my azz to post and post and post, to try to band people together, and come to a united consensus for the NMFS meeting. Due to many people's effort, including a little bit of my own, this was a success. It does not win the war. But now is the time to refine the stratgey. Sometimes you have to be the Devil's advocate to not be so Naive, otherwise, you may miss some key points that may lose the war. I could get pissed off with you too, but I know that would be a waste of my time. :razz: But a good razzing makes me feel so much better. RiskTaker a/k/a Michael B. (Oh yeah, and I approve this message.)