Handline Gear - Page 3

The BEAST · 09-27-2006, 11:11 AM

Is it going to get worse? Unfortunately, yes would be my guess. In my experiences I have seen this scenario all too often. There are some who fish our oceans who believe that because they make their living fishing that they have more rights to the fish than those who fish for sport. I have witnessed this and have been involved in 2 altercations with "big boat" charter captains who feel this way. I was told once and I quote verbatim,"Get off my ocean!"

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

Uncle Buck · 09-27-2006, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordstalker

...but last night around midnight around 26.12, the horizon was blinking so much it looked like an airport landing strip.

We were a few miles north of you at that time last night. Don't confuse all the land-based beacons as buoy strobes. The buoys I've seen are very obvious. With the 3+ kts of stream current, it's easy to tell which blinky lights are moving, and which are on land. We had a fellow angler inform us of a set on his way back to Boca. (That might have sparked the other radio traffic.) I kept a close watch for 'em on our way in, but did not see anything.

I personally don't have any problems with the gear guys. But it is nice knowing where they're located so as not to interfere with the gear, or cause damage to our boat.

swordstalker · 09-27-2006, 11:47 AM

I personally don't have a problem with them either as long as they have a permit to use them and are doing so within their guidelines. I was just merely mentioning what I saw. And, no, I was not confusing them with land based beacons - they were definitely fishing buoys

PURPLE FEVER · 09-27-2006, 11:55 AM

I dont believe all the bouys belong to the licensed commercial guys! Ther are meat hungry "rec" guys fishing that gear as well.

For that reason I think Ill pass on the upcoming sword tournaments. Its a shame but it looks like polygraphing may be necessary now!Hopefully this may come to an end in January, if it can be policed.

Tom L · 09-27-2006, 12:40 PM

the chatter was about a string that was between the 26.01 and the 26.04 and the 48.5 line last night, around 10:30pm. We were inside that and it only appeared to be about 1/2 dozen buoys, one boat idling back and forth along the set with proper nav lights well lit.

PURPLE FEVER · 09-27-2006, 12:57 PM

SIX BOUYS

does'nt sound like it was a commercial boat does it!

JahMussa · 09-27-2006, 01:30 PM

Most of the commercial guys I know of setting gear are only setting a small amount of gear. It's easier to work and less likely to get messed with if they are on top of it.

I do know one guy that lost half his set when a storm popped up off of Key West. It's hard to find a bouy in 12ft seas and 50mph winds. I know, I know... why was he out there at all???

He lost I think 15+ rigs and he's the only one I know of setting more than 20 bouys at a time.

Captain Ollie · 09-27-2006, 03:18 PM

Holy Crap!! 60!!!??? Are you sure?? I only have 10 and I think that a limit of 35 is utterly ridiculous. Another example of fisheries management at its finest. It should be limited only to what can be kept in visual range and that would be about 4 miles or so. So if you spread the set out to one every quarter mile that would be around 16 bouys. I fish off a 28 foot cat and I wouldn't even have the room to have that many on board!!

quack quack · 09-27-2006, 03:23 PM

Ollie are you going to the meeting tonight?

Captain Ollie · 09-27-2006, 03:28 PM

Yes sir! Should I wear a bullet proof vest??

quack quack · 09-27-2006, 03:31 PM

just stand behind me you will be ok :lol:

Relentless33 · 09-27-2006, 03:44 PM

Hope I get to meet you Ollie

QQ, I thought you never wanted to be called "sir" again

JahMussa · 09-27-2006, 03:44 PM

just to be safe... I'll be on the other side of the room. Like Ollie says... It's better to be careful 100 times than be killed once.

-Tek

JahMussa · 09-27-2006, 03:49 PM

Hey Jr... good thing you edited your post. I was about to order a Pink electralume for you

Captain Ollie · 09-27-2006, 03:51 PM

I personally know of only 3 boats that have the permits and fish the gear out here....Dade/Broward. That would be me, Frequent Flyer, and one other person. I know of a few other people that also have permits and do not fish gear. If other people recently purchased permits and are fishing the gear that would be news to me. If rec guys are meat hungry enough to fish it....then so be it if its legal for them to do so at the present time.

One other note is that between the three of us..... I have only seen the other peoples gear out there on a barely a handful of occasions.
I am the only one of the permit holders that is 100% commercial and fishing/diving is my sole source of income. I kind of have a problem with this and am of the opinion that you are either a full time fisherman and at least 75% of your income should be derived from such in order to have any permits at all.

My only purpose for coming on this forum was to at least make an attempt to let everyone out there know what they are seeing and give a general description of what it takes and how its fished. Having heard some of the chatter on the radio about it I figured it was the best way to let everyone know exactly what was going on out there and I've always been more than happy to answer anyones questions.

Nick C · 09-27-2006, 03:52 PM

Pink LP's.... that'll catch big momma swordy... does www.reelproshop.com sell pink lp's??

Captain Ollie · 09-27-2006, 03:55 PM

One last thing before I get ready to depart.....

IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT AN ORDERLY SANE DECORUM BE MAINTAINED AT THIS MEETING!!!!

I have been to plenty of them and let me tell you the surest way to screw yourself is to fly off the handle.

quack quack · 09-27-2006, 04:05 PM

see ya there

Relentless33 · 09-27-2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JahMussa

Hey Jr... good thing you edited your post. I was about to order a Pink electralume for you

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Nick: I don't think Tek does, but http://www.shrimpcastnettingfromadus...eelproshop.com does

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Tek- I think it was how I phrased it

lmao

After I submitted it, I realized how "fairy boy"ish it turned out

JahMussa · 09-27-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Relentless33

Tek- I think it was how I phrased it lmao
After I submitted it, I realized how "fairy boy"ish it turned out

That's exactly how it sounded. Glad you caught it and corrected it before you lost your "soon to be Man" card

C-Ya's at the dance....

09-27-2006, 01:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
JahMussa Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Point, FLA Boat: Contender 31 Best Catch: 96" x 64" Occupation: Tackle Ho! Posts: 567	Most of the commercial guys I know of setting gear are only setting a small amount of gear. It's easier to work and less likely to get messed with if they are on top of it. I do know one guy that lost half his set when a storm popped up off of Key West. It's hard to find a bouy in 12ft seas and 50mph winds. I know, I know... why was he out there at all??? He lost I think 15+ rigs and he's the only one I know of setting more than 20 bouys at a time. __________________ www.ILoveSwordfishing.com

09-27-2006, 03:18 PM	#48 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 607	Holy Crap!! 60!!!??? Are you sure?? I only have 10 and I think that a limit of 35 is utterly ridiculous. Another example of fisheries management at its finest. It should be limited only to what can be kept in visual range and that would be about 4 miles or so. So if you spread the set out to one every quarter mile that would be around 16 bouys. I fish off a 28 foot cat and I wouldn't even have the room to have that many on board!! __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

09-27-2006, 03:23 PM	#49 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,607	Ollie are you going to the meeting tonight? __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

09-27-2006, 03:28 PM	#50 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 607	Yes sir! Should I wear a bullet proof vest?? __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

09-27-2006, 03:31 PM	#51 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,607	just stand behind me you will be ok :lol: __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

09-27-2006, 11:11 AM	#41 (permalink)
The BEAST Charter Captain Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Miami/upper Keys Boat: 2007 WorldCat 330TE / 300 Suzuki's Best Catch: every catch is my best catch Occupation: charter captain Posts: 877	Is it going to get worse? Unfortunately, yes would be my guess. In my experiences I have seen this scenario all too often. There are some who fish our oceans who believe that because they make their living fishing that they have more rights to the fish than those who fish for sport. I have witnessed this and have been involved in 2 altercations with "big boat" charter captains who feel this way. I was told once and I quote verbatim,"Get off my ocean!" Capt. Jim The BEAST

09-27-2006, 11:47 AM	#43 (permalink)
swordstalker Hooked Up Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Deerfield Beach, FL Boat: 36 Yellowfin "Nauti Girl" Best Catch: My Wife Occupation: Self Employed Posts: 394	I personally don't have a problem with them either as long as they have a permit to use them and are doing so within their guidelines. I was just merely mentioning what I saw. And, no, I was not confusing them with land based beacons - they were definitely fishing buoys

09-27-2006, 11:55 AM	#44 (permalink)
PURPLE FEVER Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: pompano beach,fla. Posts: 413	I dont believe all the bouys belong to the licensed commercial guys! Ther are meat hungry "rec" guys fishing that gear as well. For that reason I think Ill pass on the upcoming sword tournaments. Its a shame but it looks like polygraphing may be necessary now!Hopefully this may come to an end in January, if it can be policed.

09-27-2006, 12:40 PM	#45 (permalink)
Tom L Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: fort lauderdale Occupation: real estate Posts: 43	the chatter was about a string that was between the 26.01 and the 26.04 and the 48.5 line last night, around 10:30pm. We were inside that and it only appeared to be about 1/2 dozen buoys, one boat idling back and forth along the set with proper nav lights well lit.

09-27-2006, 12:57 PM	#46 (permalink)
PURPLE FEVER Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: pompano beach,fla. Posts: 413	SIX BOUYS does'nt sound like it was a commercial boat does it!

09-27-2006, 03:44 PM	#52 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,951	Hope I get to meet you Ollie QQ, I thought you never wanted to be called "sir" again

09-27-2006, 03:44 PM	#53 (permalink)
JahMussa Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Point, FLA Boat: Contender 31 Best Catch: 96" x 64" Occupation: Tackle Ho! Posts: 567	just to be safe... I'll be on the other side of the room. Like Ollie says... It's better to be careful 100 times than be killed once. -Tek __________________ www.ILoveSwordfishing.com

09-27-2006, 03:49 PM	#54 (permalink)
JahMussa Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Point, FLA Boat: Contender 31 Best Catch: 96" x 64" Occupation: Tackle Ho! Posts: 567	Hey Jr... good thing you edited your post. I was about to order a Pink electralume for you __________________ www.ILoveSwordfishing.com

09-27-2006, 03:51 PM	#55 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 607	I personally know of only 3 boats that have the permits and fish the gear out here....Dade/Broward. That would be me, Frequent Flyer, and one other person. I know of a few other people that also have permits and do not fish gear. If other people recently purchased permits and are fishing the gear that would be news to me. If rec guys are meat hungry enough to fish it....then so be it if its legal for them to do so at the present time. One other note is that between the three of us..... I have only seen the other peoples gear out there on a barely a handful of occasions. I am the only one of the permit holders that is 100% commercial and fishing/diving is my sole source of income. I kind of have a problem with this and am of the opinion that you are either a full time fisherman and at least 75% of your income should be derived from such in order to have any permits at all. My only purpose for coming on this forum was to at least make an attempt to let everyone out there know what they are seeing and give a general description of what it takes and how its fished. Having heard some of the chatter on the radio about it I figured it was the best way to let everyone know exactly what was going on out there and I've always been more than happy to answer anyones questions. __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

09-27-2006, 03:52 PM	#56 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,159	Pink LP's.... that'll catch big momma swordy... does www.reelproshop.com sell pink lp's?? __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

09-27-2006, 03:55 PM	#57 (permalink)
Captain Ollie Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Davie Florida Boat: 28 foot Kevlacat Best Catch: Strippers/Barely Legal Cheerleaders Occupation: Commercial tropical fish collector, lobster diver, bouy gear fisherman, 100ton captain Posts: 607	One last thing before I get ready to depart..... IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT AN ORDERLY SANE DECORUM BE MAINTAINED AT THIS MEETING!!!! I have been to plenty of them and let me tell you the surest way to screw yourself is to fly off the handle. __________________ Remember that house you, or maybe your neighbor couldn't pay for? Well, now your gonna pay for it!!

09-27-2006, 04:05 PM	#58 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,607	see ya there __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

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