lookin for some cheap bent butt rods

swordfish123 · 02-28-2005, 05:57 PM

I'd like to trade out two of my rods for 2 bent butt 50/80s to give me a little variety. Our rod holders are extremely close together and when two 50wides are next to each other it makes it hard.. a nice bent butt rod would spread out the reels... plus they look sweeet and it woudl be nice to have somethign a little heavier so i can spool up my 50w with some braid for a heavier duty setup. i also like the way lures swim off them as opposed to using flat line clips

problem is almost all bent butt rods are 400+... anyone wanna make a trade or know of some more economical brands?

freezorburn · 02-28-2005, 06:03 PM

EBAY Try searching for Pinnacle Marine Outfitters.

I have not bought from yet but they bost a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee.

Might be worth a shot.

swordfish123 · 02-28-2005, 06:22 PM

you know i have had my eye on those for quite some time... the only thing I see wrong with them is the roller guides... I am very fond of Aftco but those look close except for the tip top.

:idea: change the tip top..

Heres the link to those rods.. i'd like some feedback as to what hte experts think

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

The second set has foam grips so a little cheaper, but i think i'd spring for the leather

Litetackleredneck · 02-28-2005, 07:20 PM

I've seen the pinnical rods on ebay. Persionally i dont like the guides, to knock-off-ish. If it aint Aftco or Alutecnos, i wont trust it. I assume the leather your talking about is the Tennis grip style. The only problem that I've heard is that they begin to peal off after a season or to... like i said heard, never had experience with them before.

jerry · 02-28-2005, 08:05 PM

Bobby Boyle had 2 matching bent butts in his shop that were sweet. Star rods, short butts for standup and big guides for wind ons. I dam near bought the pair but my cockpit is too short for permanent bent butts. I would like to get a pair with the interchangable butts to go back to straights when I need them.

swordfish123 · 02-28-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

Bobby Boyle had 2 matching bent butts in his shop that were sweet.

do you know the price?

Canyon Runner · 03-01-2005, 06:58 AM

If you already are using a stand-up style rod with a uni-butt, you could just switch it out for a bent butt...? maybe you have thought of this, but maybe not, so i thought i would mention it...
Otherwise, to save some money I would look for a used rod that has a uni-butt, and then purchase a new bent butt to replace the existing and you have a sweet set-up!
Justin
Canyon Runner Sportfishing

RiskTaker · 03-01-2005, 09:34 AM

Seems like cheap and bent butt are diabolically opposed to one another.

Seems like Ebay is the way. That Pierre guy had a great idea for web usage didn't he?

Too bad you missed Capt. Ken's post only about two weeks back. I think he had just the angled unibutt portions for sale at an "E-bay" good price.

Have you tried browsing the Florida Sportman forum. Not sure about merchandise for sale but it is a busy place. Check the local tackle shops and ask too.

swordfish123 · 03-01-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiskTaker

Seems like cheap and bent butt are diabolically opposed to one another.

This is true!

CR definatly had a good suggestion but unfortunatly my rods dont have a unibutt, or this would definatly had been the way to go. I contacted the guy who sells those pinnacle rods and he said not one out of 3000 people had compained about those guides.

He said they have a knot clearance of .185 inches which equals about 4.6mm. 400lb mono is only about 2mm so i dont think that clearance is a problem. im not sure what it is on the Aftco windon guides

FinalPoint · 03-01-2005, 02:42 PM

Canyon Runner - nice design!

Canyon Runner · 03-01-2005, 03:16 PM

i took a look at those pinnacles...those are a stuart guide set or an AMTAK guide set. Both cheap and uncomparable to aftco...hey have thinner frames, and are definately not the same craftsmanship!
A few other things to contemplate...the aftco wind-on guides are HUGE! I don't really reccomend them for a stand-up rod under an 80lb class rod used with an 80lb class reel... they drastically affect the prperties of the way the standup rod bends, ie. slowing the action. Not to mention a set of WO's cost 70% more than the aftco HD's...
I would look a something with ring guides...definately no clearance problems there and could be the compramise that gets you the bent butt at the price you want!
Another idea could be to add a few more rod holders...then you wouldn't really need different rods?
Hope this helps...
FP..thanks its something we have been working on for a while, i think it turned out great!
justin
Canyon Runner Sportfishing

swordfish123 · 03-01-2005, 03:59 PM

CR-- thanks for all the input. The problem with out boat is that it is almost a sportfisherman, but not really. Sea Ray 480 sedan bridge. we only have about 3 ft of gunnel on either side on which to mount rod holders. Unfortunatly the first set that was already put in they smacked right in the center ](*,) , leaving only about a foot to mount the other rod holder.

I will keep looking around on Ebay for some type of compromise. I build fly rods but have never built a biggame rod. Im sure if i knew the process I could do it, and it sure would save a lot of $$$. (im a college student...its a problem..)

btw CR--I am turning in my application to the coast guard in a week or so to get my captains license. I bought a self study kit to help me prepare for the test. Thanks for your help in getting me on the right track!

FinalPoint · 03-01-2005, 04:04 PM

Yeah CR, thanks. Swordfish123 encouraged me to buy the study kit he got. Now I will soon be getting my license also. Oh no, these two guys with Captain's licenses...Stephen, we are bringing down the integrity of captains everywhere.

RiskTaker · 03-01-2005, 04:04 PM

Hey Justin:

Last year I decided to get the Aftco Wind-on roller guides attached to a crowder su5060 (6 ft.) stand-up rod with the Aftco Unibutt, then for an extra perk I did it, x2. On these rods I have Penn 50 TWs but with 80 lb. line. Everytime I look at these rods I keep thinking that I have the most formidable stand-up tackle on the planet. (Not to say that other makes and models cannot match the same quality configuration). I cannot say that I notice any performance issues w.r.t. rod bending, even with a mid-sized stand-up rod. But you must really handle various makes side by side to recognize the subtle differences. I agree with you that those roller guides are quite large: but I have absolutely no complaints with them. Even a year later, I think I made the best decision and would even recommend this configuration for people that are considering swordfishing and/or using wind-on guides. I am chomping for the day when I can get another one or two.

http://www.crowderrods.com/BlueWater.html

The wind-on guides are a $65 up-charge from the Aftco HD roller guides on this particular brand of rod (List pricing). I do not often disassemble the unibutt and the reel section but if I ever chose to switch to a bent butt; then it would be No problem Mon.

I think those large rollers work very well for handling the waxline marks as well as knots of the latex balloons that are sometimes wound right onto the spool.

My suggestion, if a tight budget limits you, is to save up and buy one good piece of tackle. Over time you should be happy with a quality piece of gear, and it should hold up over time, then you can add a little bit more as time goes. (Just be sure to tie those rods to the boat, so they don't fly out of the boat any faster than you can get good stuff into the boat.)

swordfish123 · 03-01-2005, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPoint

Yeah CR, thanks. Swordfish123 encouraged me to buy the study kit he got. Now I will soon be getting my license also. Oh no, these two guys with Captain's licenses...Stephen, we are bringing down the integrity of captains everywhere.

Lets just hope none of our clients ask us to do overnight trips! :mrgreen: 0123
(i am planning on doing yacht delivery work)

Canyon Runner · 03-01-2005, 06:13 PM

FP...yeah, i do handle a lot of rods, but the big difference is that I handle many of the rods without any guides on them already...i build standup rods in my free time :lol: But you wouldn't believe the difference heavy guides with a large foot print make on the action of the blank...in some ways subtle, but in some instances it can really hinder the action of a rod. For instance, aftco says those WO guides can be used on a 30# class rod. A good stanup rod with a full load should shut off above the first guide...with most of the action in the tip section...adding WO's to a 30lb class rod IME moves the shut off point into the foregrip, defeating a large purpose of the stand-up rod itself!
123...if you want to get into building your own I would be happy to show you how...if you make other rods already it really isn't a big deal, just let me know
Good to see you guys getting your tickets! I will grow two more sets of eyes to watch out for you both! just kidding!
Justin
Canyon Runner Sportfishing

swordfish123 · 03-01-2005, 11:56 PM

Justin..

I'd love to learn how to build big game rods. I understand just about everything in the process except how to mount a ferrule of the unibutt to the rod blank. With fly rods, if the blank doesnt fit the reel seat you just use masking tape to compensate for a blank with a slightly smaller diameter than the Inner diameter of a reel seat... i dont think i'd trust some masking tape to hold a billfish! Also, it seems like theres only a couple inches of the blank in the ferrule, im guessing this is enough to hold it on there :?:

also, do you coat the entire rod with 2part epoxy?

RiskTaker · 03-02-2005, 06:18 AM

Justin:

Seems like you may be right-on about the bending action. On my 50-80 lb. class rod with the big Aftco Wind-on guides; With a big fish loaded on with strong (but not full) drag, say 18-24 lbs. as a reasonable guess, the bending action goes all the way down to the stand-up grip area, to the point, fishing Line will nearly be touching the rod handle, and certainly taking the place where you would like a hand to be. I am wearing gloves so I deal with it: I always thought it was natural for the bending to work its way most of the way down the rod to some extent. (and you only REALLY notice it when the line come closer to the rod than when away, like for spinner rod action.

Certainly the stand-up style grip rises much higher up the rod blank, so would be much more noticeable than a standard ""trolling"" style rod.

So if I understand your statements correctly, the big lengthy footprints of the Wind-on guides, compared to a smaller length of another style guide( eye or reg. roller guide) will shift the bending further down the rod. And I guess it stiffens some of the play action near the tip.

Did I get this correct? If so, would a longer stand-up help to compensate say 6-0" bumped to a 6-6".

Canyon Runner · 03-02-2005, 07:14 AM

123....let me gather some tips for you and I will shoot you a IM later. There should be no reason why you can't build your own rods! Do you have a power wrapper?

RT...yes, you have that correct! I don't think moving to a longer rod will help that at all...in fact it will put the angler under more pressure from the longer rod. Some of the things I do when building rods with WO guides are shorten the length of the foot and smoothly file the foot to make the foot section a little more flexible by taking some excess material off. Those guides are really overbuilt, and this seems to help. The other thing i like to see are those WO guides used on todays high quality composite blanks, ie. graphite/glass hybrids. Like Calstar graphiter balnks...these blanks have an all graphite section that runs from the butt to about 1.5' from the tip, then the tip section is fiberglass. Graphite is a lot stiffer and provides much more backbone in a rod, but still a nice soft tip with the glass to absorb the pressure of a fighting fish.
Justin
Canyon Runner SPortfishing

swordfish123 · 03-02-2005, 04:43 PM

that woudl be awesome, i appreciate it 0123

02-28-2005, 05:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	lookin for some cheap bent butt rods I'd like to trade out two of my rods for 2 bent butt 50/80s to give me a little variety. Our rod holders are extremely close together and when two 50wides are next to each other it makes it hard.. a nice bent butt rod would spread out the reels... plus they look sweeet and it woudl be nice to have somethign a little heavier so i can spool up my 50w with some braid for a heavier duty setup. i also like the way lures swim off them as opposed to using flat line clips problem is almost all bent butt rods are 400+... anyone wanna make a trade or know of some more economical brands?

02-28-2005, 06:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
freezorburn Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey\Key Biscayne, FL Boat: "Norson" Custom Canaveral 28' Pilot House Best Catch: They where all the Best! Occupation: Programmer\Construction Work Posts: 325	EBAY Try searching for Pinnacle Marine Outfitters. I have not bought from yet but they bost a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee. Might be worth a shot. __________________ "The Sea Love Those Only Who Fear It"--KBYC-- Capt. Ken of the "NORSON"

03-01-2005, 09:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,922	The quest for a bargain Seems like cheap and bent butt are diabolically opposed to one another. Seems like Ebay is the way. That Pierre guy had a great idea for web usage didn't he? Too bad you missed Capt. Ken's post only about two weeks back. I think he had just the angled unibutt portions for sale at an "E-bay" good price. Have you tried browsing the Florida Sportman forum. Not sure about merchandise for sale but it is a busy place. Check the local tackle shops and ask too.

03-01-2005, 04:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,922	I love my wind-on guides Hey Justin: Last year I decided to get the Aftco Wind-on roller guides attached to a crowder su5060 (6 ft.) stand-up rod with the Aftco Unibutt, then for an extra perk I did it, x2. On these rods I have Penn 50 TWs but with 80 lb. line. Everytime I look at these rods I keep thinking that I have the most formidable stand-up tackle on the planet. (Not to say that other makes and models cannot match the same quality configuration). I cannot say that I notice any performance issues w.r.t. rod bending, even with a mid-sized stand-up rod. But you must really handle various makes side by side to recognize the subtle differences. I agree with you that those roller guides are quite large: but I have absolutely no complaints with them. Even a year later, I think I made the best decision and would even recommend this configuration for people that are considering swordfishing and/or using wind-on guides. I am chomping for the day when I can get another one or two. http://www.crowderrods.com/BlueWater.html The wind-on guides are a $65 up-charge from the Aftco HD roller guides on this particular brand of rod (List pricing). I do not often disassemble the unibutt and the reel section but if I ever chose to switch to a bent butt; then it would be No problem Mon. I think those large rollers work very well for handling the waxline marks as well as knots of the latex balloons that are sometimes wound right onto the spool. My suggestion, if a tight budget limits you, is to save up and buy one good piece of tackle. Over time you should be happy with a quality piece of gear, and it should hold up over time, then you can add a little bit more as time goes. (Just be sure to tie those rods to the boat, so they don't fly out of the boat any faster than you can get good stuff into the boat.)

03-02-2005, 06:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,922	Rod bending action Justin: Seems like you may be right-on about the bending action. On my 50-80 lb. class rod with the big Aftco Wind-on guides; With a big fish loaded on with strong (but not full) drag, say 18-24 lbs. as a reasonable guess, the bending action goes all the way down to the stand-up grip area, to the point, fishing Line will nearly be touching the rod handle, and certainly taking the place where you would like a hand to be. I am wearing gloves so I deal with it: I always thought it was natural for the bending to work its way most of the way down the rod to some extent. (and you only REALLY notice it when the line come closer to the rod than when away, like for spinner rod action. Certainly the stand-up style grip rises much higher up the rod blank, so would be much more noticeable than a standard ""trolling"" style rod. So if I understand your statements correctly, the big lengthy footprints of the Wind-on guides, compared to a smaller length of another style guide( eye or reg. roller guide) will shift the bending further down the rod. And I guess it stiffens some of the play action near the tip. Did I get this correct? If so, would a longer stand-up help to compensate say 6-0" bumped to a 6-6".

02-28-2005, 06:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	you know i have had my eye on those for quite some time... the only thing I see wrong with them is the roller guides... I am very fond of Aftco but those look close except for the tip top. :idea: change the tip top.. Heres the link to those rods.. i'd like some feedback as to what hte experts think http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW The second set has foam grips so a little cheaper, but i think i'd spring for the leather

02-28-2005, 07:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Litetackleredneck Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Occupation: HS student, and employee at Kingsbury Tackle Posts: 115	I've seen the pinnical rods on ebay. Persionally i dont like the guides, to knock-off-ish. If it aint Aftco or Alutecnos, i wont trust it. I assume the leather your talking about is the Tennis grip style. The only problem that I've heard is that they begin to peal off after a season or to... like i said heard, never had experience with them before.

02-28-2005, 08:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
jerry Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Jamaica Boat: 35ft Contender Best Catch: they are all good Occupation: Operations Manager Posts: 355	Bobby Boyle had 2 matching bent butts in his shop that were sweet. Star rods, short butts for standup and big guides for wind ons. I dam near bought the pair but my cockpit is too short for permanent bent butts. I would like to get a pair with the interchangable butts to go back to straights when I need them.

03-01-2005, 06:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
Canyon Runner Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 171	If you already are using a stand-up style rod with a uni-butt, you could just switch it out for a bent butt...? maybe you have thought of this, but maybe not, so i thought i would mention it... Otherwise, to save some money I would look for a used rod that has a uni-butt, and then purchase a new bent butt to replace the existing and you have a sweet set-up! Justin Canyon Runner Sportfishing

03-01-2005, 02:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
FinalPoint Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Pt., FL Boat: Contender 36 Fisharound Best Catch: 1183 lb. Swordfish Occupation: School Posts: 867	Canyon Runner - nice design!

03-01-2005, 03:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Canyon Runner Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 171	i took a look at those pinnacles...those are a stuart guide set or an AMTAK guide set. Both cheap and uncomparable to aftco...hey have thinner frames, and are definately not the same craftsmanship! A few other things to contemplate...the aftco wind-on guides are HUGE! I don't really reccomend them for a stand-up rod under an 80lb class rod used with an 80lb class reel... they drastically affect the prperties of the way the standup rod bends, ie. slowing the action. Not to mention a set of WO's cost 70% more than the aftco HD's... I would look a something with ring guides...definately no clearance problems there and could be the compramise that gets you the bent butt at the price you want! Another idea could be to add a few more rod holders...then you wouldn't really need different rods? Hope this helps... FP..thanks its something we have been working on for a while, i think it turned out great! justin Canyon Runner Sportfishing

03-01-2005, 03:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	CR-- thanks for all the input. The problem with out boat is that it is almost a sportfisherman, but not really. Sea Ray 480 sedan bridge. we only have about 3 ft of gunnel on either side on which to mount rod holders. Unfortunatly the first set that was already put in they smacked right in the center ](*,) , leaving only about a foot to mount the other rod holder. I will keep looking around on Ebay for some type of compromise. I build fly rods but have never built a biggame rod. Im sure if i knew the process I could do it, and it sure would save a lot of $$$. (im a college student...its a problem..) btw CR--I am turning in my application to the coast guard in a week or so to get my captains license. I bought a self study kit to help me prepare for the test. Thanks for your help in getting me on the right track!

03-01-2005, 04:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
FinalPoint Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Pt., FL Boat: Contender 36 Fisharound Best Catch: 1183 lb. Swordfish Occupation: School Posts: 867	Yeah CR, thanks. Swordfish123 encouraged me to buy the study kit he got. Now I will soon be getting my license also. Oh no, these two guys with Captain's licenses...Stephen, we are bringing down the integrity of captains everywhere.

03-01-2005, 06:13 PM	#16 (permalink)
Canyon Runner Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 171	FP...yeah, i do handle a lot of rods, but the big difference is that I handle many of the rods without any guides on them already...i build standup rods in my free time :lol: But you wouldn't believe the difference heavy guides with a large foot print make on the action of the blank...in some ways subtle, but in some instances it can really hinder the action of a rod. For instance, aftco says those WO guides can be used on a 30# class rod. A good stanup rod with a full load should shut off above the first guide...with most of the action in the tip section...adding WO's to a 30lb class rod IME moves the shut off point into the foregrip, defeating a large purpose of the stand-up rod itself! 123...if you want to get into building your own I would be happy to show you how...if you make other rods already it really isn't a big deal, just let me know Good to see you guys getting your tickets! I will grow two more sets of eyes to watch out for you both! just kidding! Justin Canyon Runner Sportfishing

03-01-2005, 11:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	Justin.. I'd love to learn how to build big game rods. I understand just about everything in the process except how to mount a ferrule of the unibutt to the rod blank. With fly rods, if the blank doesnt fit the reel seat you just use masking tape to compensate for a blank with a slightly smaller diameter than the Inner diameter of a reel seat... i dont think i'd trust some masking tape to hold a billfish! Also, it seems like theres only a couple inches of the blank in the ferrule, im guessing this is enough to hold it on there :?: also, do you coat the entire rod with 2part epoxy?

03-02-2005, 07:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
Canyon Runner Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 171	123....let me gather some tips for you and I will shoot you a IM later. There should be no reason why you can't build your own rods! Do you have a power wrapper? RT...yes, you have that correct! I don't think moving to a longer rod will help that at all...in fact it will put the angler under more pressure from the longer rod. Some of the things I do when building rods with WO guides are shorten the length of the foot and smoothly file the foot to make the foot section a little more flexible by taking some excess material off. Those guides are really overbuilt, and this seems to help. The other thing i like to see are those WO guides used on todays high quality composite blanks, ie. graphite/glass hybrids. Like Calstar graphiter balnks...these blanks have an all graphite section that runs from the butt to about 1.5' from the tip, then the tip section is fiberglass. Graphite is a lot stiffer and provides much more backbone in a rod, but still a nice soft tip with the glass to absorb the pressure of a fighting fish. Justin Canyon Runner SPortfishing

03-02-2005, 04:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
swordfish123 Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, Mississippi Boat: Whatever Hatteras lets me fish on Best Catch: ~250lb Blue Marlin- Marsh Harbour Occupation: Gulf Coast Hatteras Intern Posts: 318	that woudl be awesome, i appreciate it 0123

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