lookin for some cheap bent butt rods - Page 2

Captain Fred Archer · 03-03-2005, 04:08 AM

Guys,

Before letting you in on what I at least consider one of the most remarkable new fishing tackle products in decades (that's right, decades!), here are a few comments on the very expensive, but way worth it to serious big game fishermen bent butt rods that no one is going to need anymore. My charter boat is equipped with something on the order of twenty bent butts. Each has a dedicated reel on it because swapping back and forth between bents and straights is a pain in the neck. My boat also has the chair that bent butts are a nightmare to fish without and the bucket harness needed to use a bent butt in a chair properly.

I used to run all of my high and regular speed wahoo outfits on bents and all of my eighty and one thirty rigs, too. The guys who are saying so are right; quality bent butt rods are very expensive, but they are worth it. The fact that every big pro boat runs them also tells you that the guys who say that they are THE way to troll, drift and fight big fish are also right on. But the truth is, they are almost useless if you don't have the expensive fighting chair, bucket harness (my chair is a Release Unlimited and my harness is made by them too - $750 for the harness. You do not want to know what the chair costs!) AND THE ROOM FOR THE CHAIR, you were locked out of the bent butt game. It was for the rich guys with the big boats only. WAS.

Although they are no longer needed (and I'm not kidding here), I have to comment on those rods on E-bay that some of you are looking at. First and foremost, a beginning bid of $125 on a rod with a genuine AFTCO bent Unibutt is a blatant sign that the butt is bogus and not the real thing. Hell, a bent Unibutt alone costs almost as much, maybe even more than that! On top of that, Unibutt is a registered trademark of AFTCO Corporation and the use of that name without their permission violates United States Trademark Law - a serious matter in itself. The further likeyhood that those bogus butts are probably made overseas, thus robbing U.S. workers of their livelyhoods frosts the hell out of me. There is too much of that sort of thing going on and it is hurting hard working Americans all over the country.

Just like I only buy and use line and leader made by American companies with clear, written policies that they refuse to sell longliners (think about that one for a little while before you buy sportfishing line from a longline supplier!), I refuse to have anything to do with these companies that knock off products developed and made here, then bring inferior copies into this country and foist them off as the same quality and even use the registered trademarks of legitimate U.S. manufacturers to try to make their junk appear to be of equal quality.

Those rods are exact knock offs of the Penn International Series with slight cosmetic changes. You can bet your bottom dollar that those guides are most likely the same sort of knocked off junk as the so-called Unibutts, as are the blanks and everything else about them likely to be.

I have Penn International rods on my boat. I do not recommend them for any hard fishing boat because of the leather foregrips. As noted by one or two folks here, they do deteriorate from sunlight, heat and water. None are any good for a leather product. Penn has a white series, the name of which I forget right now, that is a real workhorse set of glass rods that are terrific. They have foam grips. Seeker makes a series of rods that I designed for them that (naturally) I like.

YOU DO NOT NEED THE BENT BUTT VERSIONS ANYMORE! In fact, you can use the very same stand up rods that you are using right now. YOU DO NOT NEED A CHAIR ANYMORE! It would only get in the way, even if you had room for it. AND OF COURSE, YOU DON'T NEED A BUCKET HARNESS. Whatever kind of belts you are using right now will work fine on your new "Bent butt/standup rods" that you have and are fishing with right now. AND YOU DO NOT NEED DEDICATED REELS FOR THOSE BENT BUTTS THAT YOU NO LONGER NEED. Just use the reels that you are using right now, period!

Sounds good, but impossible, right? Well it ain't! I take you back to the beginning of my post to that remarkable new product that I spoke of. I have already taken up too much space here and I do not want to be accused of spamming this great product here. It is WAY too good for something like that to happen.

If you want the details, you can email me thru this site. If you don't know how to do that yet, there is information to teach you how. When I get your mail I will send you the skinny on this revolutionary new product that you will otherwise not find out about for the months it is going to take for all of the new product raves to start showing up in the saltwater mags. This product is ready and being sold. In fact, the second shipment is being gobbled up as I write this. The first production run sold out in no time based solely on word-of-mouth. The manufacturer, a legitimate American who is a fellow charter captain and as far as I'm concerned a genius who has saved us all many thousands of dollars and made smaller boats the equal and even superior to the big gunners, doesn't want the word to get out to too many people because the initial production quantities are in the hundreds, not the thousands that are going to be needed.

As some of you know, I am a Purple Fever victim and I regard this site as a very special place. I don't want any of you being deceived into buying junk, nor do I want to see you spend a pile of money on bents and maybe even chairs, etc. when they have gone the way of the doo-doo bird.

I got the maker to let me tell you guys about this product. I'm not trying to trick you or anything like that. This is a house rocker and if you are even thinking about bent butt performance, you need to know about it. And guess what? When you do, you will see that this bent butt/standup rod thing is even BETTER than regular bent butts! I have been using these puppies on my big boat for over a year now and you know what? I wish that I had NEVER bought all of those bent butts!

There you have it, guys. The next step is to let me know that you want to find out more, get the information and here's the best part, decide for yourself if what I am saying is true. That's about as good as it gets, if you ask me.

Be forewarned, though! If you decide you want these babies, DO IT NOW! If you don't and you have to wait for the next production run, do not blame me! I warned you right here, right now.

Canyon Runner · 03-03-2005, 06:36 AM

fred, nice post...but i don't think anyone on here uses a chair, bucket harness or the bent butt styles you are talking about. We are talking about the UBSC, meaning...uni-butt SHORT curved butt. A bent butt, but short, very short, meant for standup fishing. I frequenty use this style when stand-up fishing with or without a stand-up harness, a breeze...why not post some pics of your latest design?
Justin
Canyon Runner Sportfishing

RiskTaker · 03-03-2005, 07:49 AM

Justin:

Since you have the knowledge and the acronymn lingo for these rods.

What is your suggestion for an appropriate rod, for a rod mounted electric reel? A long style bent butt or is there a special one just for deep dropping style. (Probably a rod tip with line guide, etc.)

This is all new stuff for me, so I am fishing for info. right now without knowing how to fish yet: but I will.

Capt. Fred: Is it here yet?

Captain Fred Archer · 03-03-2005, 01:35 PM

Justin,

I agree and said that only big boat guys - and wealthy ones to boot - use the chairs and bucket harnesses that are the best way of using bent butts both safely and comfortably. I have a charter captain buddy who runs all shorty Uni's on his heavy gear. He is captain Tim Marking of Intimidator. He visits here occasionally and can tell you about these new things. He has THREE of them on his boat (he muscled an extra one from the inventor!) and has been testing them for a year and a half now. So yes, you can run true bents with them, but why when there's a far better alternative? Like me, Tim never would have bought all of those shorty bents if this product had been around when he did. I have pictures of his setup in the book, but I'm not too clear on just how to post photos on this site.

The difference with the new product is that bent butts simply aren't needed anymore, period! As you know, the shorty uni's are expensive as hell on their own and those who don't have them still have to face buying new, expensive rods if they want to "get bent" AND if they don't want to have to be screwing around changing reels back and forth, they need new, dedicated reels to go with the sticks. That's more than a couple of grand, right there and we aren't done.

It takes a special standup belt and harness to fight a fish right with a bent butt, shorty or otherwise and they aren't cheap. Plus, I hope that anyone who is harnessing up to a big game fish of any kind, but especially Elvis and threshers is hooked up to a Mate Saver - especially if he fishes on rough nights! We're up to four grand or so right there, without the chair and bucket.

Don't need any of 'em. Big boat, medium boat, little boat. Rich guy, middle income guy or book writer or charter captain and other poor people, a complete waste of money.

No kidding.

Amazing!

And not a lot of money.

Except for Tim's and mine. Nobody has enough money to buy OURS!

ReelEstate · 03-10-2005, 09:26 AM

This guy is out of sunrise florida and makes a nice reasonably priced rod. He uses all aftco components.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

freezorburn · 03-10-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReelEstate

This guy is out of sunrise florida and makes a nice reasonably priced rod. He uses all aftco components.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

hey thanks, I've been looking for some good rods too! That is a great deal.

atlantacapt · 04-04-2007, 02:43 PM

im interested in your stand up rod harness idea (i assume thats what it is anyway). pm me details.

03-03-2005, 04:08 AM	#21 (permalink)
Captain Fred Archer Lines In Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA - Cabo San Lucas, Mexico Boat: Big game fishing Occupation: Charter Captain, author, outdoor writer Posts: 43	Forget the bent butts - get something BETTER! Guys, Before letting you in on what I at least consider one of the most remarkable new fishing tackle products in decades (that's right, decades!), here are a few comments on the very expensive, but way worth it to serious big game fishermen bent butt rods that no one is going to need anymore. My charter boat is equipped with something on the order of twenty bent butts. Each has a dedicated reel on it because swapping back and forth between bents and straights is a pain in the neck. My boat also has the chair that bent butts are a nightmare to fish without and the bucket harness needed to use a bent butt in a chair properly. I used to run all of my high and regular speed wahoo outfits on bents and all of my eighty and one thirty rigs, too. The guys who are saying so are right; quality bent butt rods are very expensive, but they are worth it. The fact that every big pro boat runs them also tells you that the guys who say that they are THE way to troll, drift and fight big fish are also right on. But the truth is, they are almost useless if you don't have the expensive fighting chair, bucket harness (my chair is a Release Unlimited and my harness is made by them too - $750 for the harness. You do not want to know what the chair costs!) AND THE ROOM FOR THE CHAIR, you were locked out of the bent butt game. It was for the rich guys with the big boats only. WAS. Although they are no longer needed (and I'm not kidding here), I have to comment on those rods on E-bay that some of you are looking at. First and foremost, a beginning bid of $125 on a rod with a genuine AFTCO bent Unibutt is a blatant sign that the butt is bogus and not the real thing. Hell, a bent Unibutt alone costs almost as much, maybe even more than that! On top of that, Unibutt is a registered trademark of AFTCO Corporation and the use of that name without their permission violates United States Trademark Law - a serious matter in itself. The further likeyhood that those bogus butts are probably made overseas, thus robbing U.S. workers of their livelyhoods frosts the hell out of me. There is too much of that sort of thing going on and it is hurting hard working Americans all over the country. Just like I only buy and use line and leader made by American companies with clear, written policies that they refuse to sell longliners (think about that one for a little while before you buy sportfishing line from a longline supplier!), I refuse to have anything to do with these companies that knock off products developed and made here, then bring inferior copies into this country and foist them off as the same quality and even use the registered trademarks of legitimate U.S. manufacturers to try to make their junk appear to be of equal quality. Those rods are exact knock offs of the Penn International Series with slight cosmetic changes. You can bet your bottom dollar that those guides are most likely the same sort of knocked off junk as the so-called Unibutts, as are the blanks and everything else about them likely to be. I have Penn International rods on my boat. I do not recommend them for any hard fishing boat because of the leather foregrips. As noted by one or two folks here, they do deteriorate from sunlight, heat and water. None are any good for a leather product. Penn has a white series, the name of which I forget right now, that is a real workhorse set of glass rods that are terrific. They have foam grips. Seeker makes a series of rods that I designed for them that (naturally) I like. YOU DO NOT NEED THE BENT BUTT VERSIONS ANYMORE! In fact, you can use the very same stand up rods that you are using right now. YOU DO NOT NEED A CHAIR ANYMORE! It would only get in the way, even if you had room for it. AND OF COURSE, YOU DON'T NEED A BUCKET HARNESS. Whatever kind of belts you are using right now will work fine on your new "Bent butt/standup rods" that you have and are fishing with right now. AND YOU DO NOT NEED DEDICATED REELS FOR THOSE BENT BUTTS THAT YOU NO LONGER NEED. Just use the reels that you are using right now, period! Sounds good, but impossible, right? Well it ain't! I take you back to the beginning of my post to that remarkable new product that I spoke of. I have already taken up too much space here and I do not want to be accused of spamming this great product here. It is WAY too good for something like that to happen. If you want the details, you can email me thru this site. If you don't know how to do that yet, there is information to teach you how. When I get your mail I will send you the skinny on this revolutionary new product that you will otherwise not find out about for the months it is going to take for all of the new product raves to start showing up in the saltwater mags. This product is ready and being sold. In fact, the second shipment is being gobbled up as I write this. The first production run sold out in no time based solely on word-of-mouth. The manufacturer, a legitimate American who is a fellow charter captain and as far as I'm concerned a genius who has saved us all many thousands of dollars and made smaller boats the equal and even superior to the big gunners, doesn't want the word to get out to too many people because the initial production quantities are in the hundreds, not the thousands that are going to be needed. As some of you know, I am a Purple Fever victim and I regard this site as a very special place. I don't want any of you being deceived into buying junk, nor do I want to see you spend a pile of money on bents and maybe even chairs, etc. when they have gone the way of the doo-doo bird. I got the maker to let me tell you guys about this product. I'm not trying to trick you or anything like that. This is a house rocker and if you are even thinking about bent butt performance, you need to know about it. And guess what? When you do, you will see that this bent butt/standup rod thing is even BETTER than regular bent butts! I have been using these puppies on my big boat for over a year now and you know what? I wish that I had NEVER bought all of those bent butts! There you have it, guys. The next step is to let me know that you want to find out more, get the information and here's the best part, decide for yourself if what I am saying is true. That's about as good as it gets, if you ask me. Be forewarned, though! If you decide you want these babies, DO IT NOW! If you don't and you have to wait for the next production run, do not blame me! I warned you right here, right now. __________________ A swordfish is a swordfish is a swordfish, wherever it swims in the world. They are all brothers in blood and genes. We who hunt them are all brothers too, only in spirit and in our goals. Oh yes, and if cut, we bleed swordfish blood! Purple fever - catch it!

03-03-2005, 07:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Had one once, then it took the boat away Posts: 1,962	Best style rod for deep drop. Justin: Since you have the knowledge and the acronymn lingo for these rods. What is your suggestion for an appropriate rod, for a rod mounted electric reel? A long style bent butt or is there a special one just for deep dropping style. (Probably a rod tip with line guide, etc.) This is all new stuff for me, so I am fishing for info. right now without knowing how to fish yet: but I will. Capt. Fred: Is it here yet?

03-03-2005, 01:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
Captain Fred Archer Lines In Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA - Cabo San Lucas, Mexico Boat: Big game fishing Occupation: Charter Captain, author, outdoor writer Posts: 43	Chairs and stuff. Justin, I agree and said that only big boat guys - and wealthy ones to boot - use the chairs and bucket harnesses that are the best way of using bent butts both safely and comfortably. I have a charter captain buddy who runs all shorty Uni's on his heavy gear. He is captain Tim Marking of Intimidator. He visits here occasionally and can tell you about these new things. He has THREE of them on his boat (he muscled an extra one from the inventor!) and has been testing them for a year and a half now. So yes, you can run true bents with them, but why when there's a far better alternative? Like me, Tim never would have bought all of those shorty bents if this product had been around when he did. I have pictures of his setup in the book, but I'm not too clear on just how to post photos on this site. The difference with the new product is that bent butts simply aren't needed anymore, period! As you know, the shorty uni's are expensive as hell on their own and those who don't have them still have to face buying new, expensive rods if they want to "get bent" AND if they don't want to have to be screwing around changing reels back and forth, they need new, dedicated reels to go with the sticks. That's more than a couple of grand, right there and we aren't done. It takes a special standup belt and harness to fight a fish right with a bent butt, shorty or otherwise and they aren't cheap. Plus, I hope that anyone who is harnessing up to a big game fish of any kind, but especially Elvis and threshers is hooked up to a Mate Saver - especially if he fishes on rough nights! We're up to four grand or so right there, without the chair and bucket. Don't need any of 'em. Big boat, medium boat, little boat. Rich guy, middle income guy or book writer or charter captain and other poor people, a complete waste of money. No kidding. Amazing! And not a lot of money. Except for Tim's and mine. Nobody has enough money to buy OURS! __________________ A swordfish is a swordfish is a swordfish, wherever it swims in the world. They are all brothers in blood and genes. We who hunt them are all brothers too, only in spirit and in our goals. Oh yes, and if cut, we bleed swordfish blood! Purple fever - catch it!

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03-03-2005, 06:36 AM	#22 (permalink)
Canyon Runner Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 171	fred, nice post...but i don't think anyone on here uses a chair, bucket harness or the bent butt styles you are talking about. We are talking about the UBSC, meaning...uni-butt SHORT curved butt. A bent butt, but short, very short, meant for standup fishing. I frequenty use this style when stand-up fishing with or without a stand-up harness, a breeze...why not post some pics of your latest design? Justin Canyon Runner Sportfishing

03-10-2005, 09:26 AM	#25 (permalink)
ReelEstate Grunt Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5	This guy is out of sunrise florida and makes a nice reasonably priced rod. He uses all aftco components. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

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atlantacapt Grunt Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2	im interested in your stand up rod harness idea (i assume thats what it is anyway). pm me details.

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