Hi guys.. (Outriggers)

ed2 · 02-22-2007, 05:16 AM

Hi guys.

I am new on here and have never really considered using USA based forums as they are not relative to the style of fishing here in the UK.

But, looking at the boats available on the boats for sale board, I was intrigued by the outriggers that were on all of the boats.

Basically, I was wondering what on Earth they are used for, how they work, how they are rigged and why you have to use them.

I understand that you use them for big game fishing and that they are designed for trolling to spread your lures out so that you have a decreased chance of tangles, but, say for example you are trolling 2 lures off each outrigger and you had a take on the outside line, how on earth would you hook into the fish? Do you have to reel in the near line or is there some kind of tactic to get the line off the outrigger and to play the fish around the inside line?

The other thing is, we are looking for a charter boat for here in the UK. All of the boats I have come across have shown very little deckspace for anglers. Again, I understand that is because you can only take a few people at a time and that anglers will pay a premium rate to go out after the monsters, so therefore it is feasible to do so.

I am astonished at the price of your boats. They are so cheap compared to the boats we buy in the UK. The other thing I have noticed is that the engines burn a lot of fuel.

How much does diesel and petrol cost in America?

On average, we are paying just under £1 ($2) per litre, or £4.50ish ($9) a gallon.

Do you know of any American boats available in a newish condition with minimum of 20 square metres of deck space (180 square feet) which are a maximum of 10 metres or maybe 12 metres, (up to 36 feet) which will be economical on fuel? Also, it would have to be up to charter quality under the EU regulations.

These are our requirements. For a boat like that here in the UK, you are looking at around £100,000 or $200,000. I have noticed some huge boats on the site advertised that are up to 48ft and only just around $100,000 or £50,000 - HALF the price!

Thanks very much,

Ed Hullah
Shrosphire,
England

pelagic predator · 02-22-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ed2

Hi guys.

I am new on here and have never really considered using USA based forums as they are not relative to the style of fishing here in the UK.

But, looking at the boats available on the boats for sale board, I was intrigued by the outriggers that were on all of the boats.

Basically, I was wondering what on Earth they are used for, how they work, how they are rigged and why you have to use them.

I understand that you use them for big game fishing and that they are designed for trolling to spread your lures out so that you have a decreased chance of tangles, but, say for example you are trolling 2 lures off each outrigger and you had a take on the outside line, how on earth would you hook into the fish? Do you have to reel in the near line or is there some kind of tactic to get the line off the outrigger and to play the fish around the inside line?

The other thing is, we are looking for a charter boat for here in the UK. All of the boats I have come across have shown very little deckspace for anglers. Again, I understand that is because you can only take a few people at a time and that anglers will pay a premium rate to go out after the monsters, so therefore it is feasible to do so.

I am astonished at the price of your boats. They are so cheap compared to the boats we buy in the UK. The other thing I have noticed is that the engines burn a lot of fuel.

How much does diesel and petrol cost in America?

On average, we are paying just under £1 ($2) per litre, or £4.50ish ($9) a gallon.

Do you know of any American boats available in a newish condition with minimum of 20 square metres of deck space (180 square feet) which are a maximum of 10 metres or maybe 12 metres, (up to 36 feet) which will be economical on fuel? Also, it would have to be up to charter quality under the EU regulations.

These are our requirements. For a boat like that here in the UK, you are looking at around £100,000 or $200,000. I have noticed some huge boats on the site advertised that are up to 48ft and only just around $100,000 or £50,000 - HALF the price!

Thanks very much,

Ed Hullah
Shrosphire,
England

First of all welcome to the forum,
Second outriggers are used for speading out baits, as well as putting more out. You have a lure attached to a rod and reel, then you put the line through a clip that opens up, releases the line so it is no longer held by the clip when a fish takes the bait so you can fight it on a rod and reel. I am surprised you do not use them over there. and gas and deisel prices are around $2.50 per gallon.

ed2 · 02-22-2007, 04:33 PM

Hmm, I don't think outriggers would suit an old classic fishing boat like ours - have a look at it here: Sea Mace

The thing is, we have no reason to use them. Having said that, there is a boat called 'Boobs II' where we have our boat, which is an 'Aquastar 32'. This is just like a classic American sport fisher, and has the outriggers to boot! I don't think they use them though and, as a matter of fact, I don't even think they use the boat for fishing!

But yes, all the same, I guess it is a good idea, but for the type of fishing we do (for small shark and black bream and mackeral, albeit no where near as big as the fish you get), they are not really necessary. We have alternative methods, such as boards.

Do you have any tips for fishing for Sea Bass?

I understand you have 'Large Mouth Bass', and all kinds of bass. The type I am referring to is the salt water bass, which is silver and has spines on its back, gill rakers and on its fins.

They are a very rare species over here you see.

Do you ever use crab baits or fish baits, such as small strips of mackeral?

It amazes me the styles of fishing are so different!

Also, what is your catch rate out there, as we do not catch big fish too frequently over here!

As I understand it, big game fishing is about draggin a lure around all day every day for a week or so just to catch one decent sized fish?

Hopefully you can help to clear up some of the british prejudice which stems from the charter fishing trips you can go on abroad in places like spain in Europe!

Thanks very much,

Ed2

pelagic predator · 02-22-2007, 04:49 PM

The fishing over here for billfish, tunas, and other big game fish is pretty good and no it does take days,weeks or months of sitting out on a boat to catch one. If you are using the right techniqes, you will catch them. But it is also a matter of luck, some times we can months without catching one but it is ussually good.

ed2 · 02-22-2007, 04:53 PM

There is a major difference then I guess!

The fishing here is for fish of up to 50lbs average, but most fish average about 1lb or maybe 2lb, but we catch small sharks to around 60lbs!

We can normally boat 1000 fish a weekend though, between two of us!!

02-22-2007, 05:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
ed2 Grunt Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3	Hi guys.. (Outriggers) Hi guys. I am new on here and have never really considered using USA based forums as they are not relative to the style of fishing here in the UK. But, looking at the boats available on the boats for sale board, I was intrigued by the outriggers that were on all of the boats. Basically, I was wondering what on Earth they are used for, how they work, how they are rigged and why you have to use them. I understand that you use them for big game fishing and that they are designed for trolling to spread your lures out so that you have a decreased chance of tangles, but, say for example you are trolling 2 lures off each outrigger and you had a take on the outside line, how on earth would you hook into the fish? Do you have to reel in the near line or is there some kind of tactic to get the line off the outrigger and to play the fish around the inside line? The other thing is, we are looking for a charter boat for here in the UK. All of the boats I have come across have shown very little deckspace for anglers. Again, I understand that is because you can only take a few people at a time and that anglers will pay a premium rate to go out after the monsters, so therefore it is feasible to do so. I am astonished at the price of your boats. They are so cheap compared to the boats we buy in the UK. The other thing I have noticed is that the engines burn a lot of fuel. How much does diesel and petrol cost in America? On average, we are paying just under £1 ($2) per litre, or £4.50ish ($9) a gallon. Do you know of any American boats available in a newish condition with minimum of 20 square metres of deck space (180 square feet) which are a maximum of 10 metres or maybe 12 metres, (up to 36 feet) which will be economical on fuel? Also, it would have to be up to charter quality under the EU regulations. These are our requirements. For a boat like that here in the UK, you are looking at around £100,000 or $200,000. I have noticed some huge boats on the site advertised that are up to 48ft and only just around $100,000 or £50,000 - HALF the price! Thanks very much, Ed Hullah Shrosphire, England

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02-22-2007, 04:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
ed2 Grunt Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3	Hmm, I don't think outriggers would suit an old classic fishing boat like ours - have a look at it here: Sea Mace The thing is, we have no reason to use them. Having said that, there is a boat called 'Boobs II' where we have our boat, which is an 'Aquastar 32'. This is just like a classic American sport fisher, and has the outriggers to boot! I don't think they use them though and, as a matter of fact, I don't even think they use the boat for fishing! But yes, all the same, I guess it is a good idea, but for the type of fishing we do (for small shark and black bream and mackeral, albeit no where near as big as the fish you get), they are not really necessary. We have alternative methods, such as boards. Do you have any tips for fishing for Sea Bass? I understand you have 'Large Mouth Bass', and all kinds of bass. The type I am referring to is the salt water bass, which is silver and has spines on its back, gill rakers and on its fins. They are a very rare species over here you see. Do you ever use crab baits or fish baits, such as small strips of mackeral? It amazes me the styles of fishing are so different! Also, what is your catch rate out there, as we do not catch big fish too frequently over here! As I understand it, big game fishing is about draggin a lure around all day every day for a week or so just to catch one decent sized fish? Hopefully you can help to clear up some of the british prejudice which stems from the charter fishing trips you can go on abroad in places like spain in Europe! Thanks very much, Ed2

02-22-2007, 04:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
pelagic predator Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2007 Boat: contender 31 Best Catch: 60inch swordfish Occupation: Highschool (freshman) Posts: 271	The fishing over here for billfish, tunas, and other big game fish is pretty good and no it does take days,weeks or months of sitting out on a boat to catch one. If you are using the right techniqes, you will catch them. But it is also a matter of luck, some times we can months without catching one but it is ussually good.

02-22-2007, 04:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
ed2 Grunt Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3	There is a major difference then I guess! The fishing here is for fish of up to 50lbs average, but most fish average about 1lb or maybe 2lb, but we catch small sharks to around 60lbs! We can normally boat 1000 fish a weekend though, between two of us!!

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