Attaching Weights and Balloons - Page 2

Relentless33 · 05-24-2006, 05:17 PM

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Relentless33 · 05-24-2006, 05:42 PM

Okay lets try to re-write this because my computer has a mind of its own....
It went something like....

Well, ask 1,000 people and get 1,000 answers.
I think the #64 rubberband is gonna be the key. It should work perfectly. I like the idea from Reel Intubaitor about attaching it to the light, except one thing, we dont always run a big LP light on all lines in the spread. We usually stick to the small cylumes from Custom Rod and Reel.

There was about three times this but I cant remember exactly what it was. :cry:
8-[ I cant wait to get out there this weekend 8-[

=P~

RiskTaker · 05-25-2006, 09:03 AM

Good luck Fishing this weekend Relentless.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Was that a mind over-load? :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: At least you got some very good responses back from several forum junkies. I see that your addiction is building. :lol:

Yeah, if you try out the different styles that have been provided to you, you will eventially become partial to one or two of them. Maybe, it is good to know them all. That way if you are fishing with other anglers that have different tackle/style configurations, then you will be proficient in all of them. And that is a good quality to have in your angler's "bag of tricks".

If you like reel intubaiter's style , you will find that it is very versatile. Because even if you chose to place your weight elsewhere on the line (or if you did not have an electrolume for that) you can still clip the opened snap onto a captive loop or a temporary rubber band place holder.

P.S. - There was an article in one of last year's Florida Sportsman magazines about swordfishing in the Gulf of Mexico. The captain/owner of the boat J-hook out of Pensacola did an article about his configuration. Similar style as reel intubaiter plus he used a 3-way swivel to branch off the bait. (a Caribbean rig I think he called it) That magazine, FSM, plus the South Florida Sportfishing Magazine have some really good articles about fishing with a pertinence to Florida. You should subscribe, if you don't already have them by now. You can also check out some more good fishing articles at http://www.southfloridasportfishing.com/ in the Tips and Tales section.

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiskTaker

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Was that a mind over-load? :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

Negative, haha like I said before, remember im young and eager to learn so I soak in everything that I can.

Quote:

I see that your addiction is building. :lol:

I figured instead of learning about x and y-intercepts in math (TOTALLY USELESS IN LIFE) I should put time into learning things I enjoy doing and actually do help you have a good time and exceed in life.

RiskTaker · 05-25-2006, 10:56 AM

Negative, Don't ignore your math. You never know when it may come in handy. Say for example, you are swordfishing. And you know that the wind is dragging you along the surface such that your line has a slope of minus 3. Say you are at a position of y=0 and you have 500 feet of line payed out. What depth will your bait be at? You might be able to solve it with y= mx +b, or if you are missing some info. , You could also solve it with your geometry skill set. It's still a good skill set to have in your bag of tricks, especially when you start navigating with vectors of wind and current added into the equation.

Now you can go catch a swordfish and post the photo into the 200 lb. club gallery, now that you've got that one mastered.

Now if I could only figure out some of those hot live bait spots around Hillsboro Inlet ? :???:

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 06:04 PM

HMMM....... :shock: sounds EXACTLY like my teacher, I think you are a teacher or something. She uses the same y= mx + b formula. I dont think the average person knows that.
I tried to figure it out with that formula but it just got weird on me :-s 8-[
I decided to see if dividing 500 by 3 sounded right.

166.6 with bar notation over the last six..... :lol: :lol: :lol: haha
Keep in mind there is no current right now which is physically impossible. lol

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 06:15 PM

About those live-bait spots.... YOUR ASKING ME ???? :shock: :shock:
That was either asking me or mocking me on how i have asked beforewell if it was asking me then.......
I'm the one that hates running north to Boca everytime and has posted questions asking about where to find some of those great little spots that are much more convenient...... so now I guess if anyone can help both of us out ??? :lol: :lol:

Ive heard the piers with chum but that will take longer then running to Boca.

:cry:
lol

RiskTaker · 05-25-2006, 06:54 PM

No mocking: maybe you knew something you could share. It takes a network of connections to get it all together.

Basically, I have only had spotted luck within Hillsboro inlet for pilchards, especially if you need several hundred for live "chunking".

Basically, 15-25 ft. of water, perhaps near the piers around here, inside the first drop-off reef line. But I need more seasoning before I can become a knowledge base on that subject. Got plenty of Ballyhoo north of HI past the 3rd reef before.

I figured you are young and you know where the hots spots are: if not give it 3 years and you will know every place from PE to Mizner park.

P.S. - No, I am apprentice Grasshopper, just like you. Just that I have been doing my homework a little bit longer.

So when you get done with your tutoring with JLo, then you can figure out where your squid will be. Say you used your y = mx + b formula. Say your y-intercept = 0. So then your formula is simply y = mx + 0. Now you know your slope is -3. Plug in the value for m. So, for every increment in x, distance along the water, you go down, -y, 3. Solving for a right angle triangle with sides of 1 and 3, down, from your boat. Solve: inverse tan of angle = 3/1 (opposite over adjacent), which equals 72 degrees. You payed out 500 ft. of line, your hypotenuse, you know your angle of 72 degrees. Solve for your opposite side over your hypotenus with the angle of 72 degrees. So Sin theta (72 degrees) = y (opposite) / hypotenuse (500). Y = 500 X sin(72 degees). Y = 475. Your bait is 475 feet down.

Math..... what's it good for? Nothing, you say. Now imagine that the wind is ripping pretty good at 13 knots and your line is laying out flat on the water with 2 lbs. of lead attached. So maybe you have a slope of minus .5. You let out 600 feet of line, how deep is your bait now? Easy to solve: but maybe you need to study with JLo a little longer.

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 07:22 PM

You have to tell me though.... was I right with the question ???
lol :lol:

RiskTaker · 05-25-2006, 07:49 PM

What did you say?

Was your question right? or

Was your answer right? Now, I am confused. (See the problem resolution above and let me know.)

Time for this Pirata to go mix a boat drink ang go play with my Puerto Rican girlfriend (and wife).

irat:

P.S. - I am only a teacher if you learned something from me. Otherwise, I am just a mean old grumpy fart. :lol:
"Some people even call me the Machine". Well yes, I am a mutt with some Austrian heritage, But if you saw me talking with my hands-a-flying, you would think I was 100% Italian. Well, hell just imagine how fast I have to type on this keyboard to get these messages out, schnell . Pronto.

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 07:51 PM

Was the answer right ??

I said 166.6 with bar notation over it

Relentless33 · 05-25-2006, 09:12 PM

okay i dont no whats wrong with my computer, i guess i was wrong haha lmao

See now instead of trying to figure it out that way my solution would be throw on the heaviest lead we have and let er go haha :lol: :lol:

Relentless33 · 05-28-2006, 02:35 AM

Okay well the #64 rubber bands work thanks to pretty much everyone lol
The only problem I found with them was that the balloons were sliding on the line. So I guess 2 of those 'little, tiny, wicked strong, black rubberbands' are gonna be on the balloon and the heavier #64 bands will be on the leads.

TZ · 05-29-2006, 12:15 PM

TRY USING PHONE WIRE. SKIN IT BACK TO ABOUT SIX INCHES. PUT HANGER ON FISHING LINE ATTACH WIRE TO BALLOON WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE. PHONE WIRE WITH THE COVER ON IT WORKS VERY WELL.

RiskTaker · 05-30-2006, 09:17 AM

Relentless:

Keeping it simple like you said you prefer, a single #64 rubber band will securely hold a (1-3 lb.) lead weight and/or an inflated balloon. It will not slip when you tie it correctly.

Check out the previous threads on this site about tying balloons. I believe Nick C or one of his fishing buddies ?, actually made a movie on how to tie a rubber band to a line.

But if you do not have the movie handy, follow these instructions and you will not have to use anything else, unless you prefer to do so.

Hold the line in front of you in your less dominant hand along with one end of the rubber band. Using your dominant, grab the line, make 3-4 wraps of the band around the mainline, while stretching the rubber band a little bit. (It holds fast for Spectra braid or nylon monofilament). Now insert the wrapping loop back through the loop that was held stationary. Pull on it enough to snug it up, perhaps 1/2- 3/4 breaking strength, but not enough to overly stress the band. At this point, a good tied rubber band will stay put on the line without coming undone, unless you fiddle with it. ( As a matter of fact I do this all the time on my stern tip line to make a temporary line mark, before I may let her drop another couple hundred feet , then retireve intermittentently until I get back to my mark again. - Ssh, that was a bonus pointer.) When you need to remove it, just grab anywhere other than the protruding loop and tug a little bit and the band loosens right up and you have the band in your hand.)

For the balloon connection, stick your index finger and thumb into the loop (from the bottom side pointing up), and roll your hand to form a double wrap (slip loop). Use your other hand to hold the slip loop open while sliding the balloon knot past the rubber slip loop. Pull on the balloon end, while releasing the slip loop and you've got her. (Just make sure the slip loop is snugged up around the balloon before tossing it over the side) You will be able to use the same balloon over and over again unless something causes that balloon to break free. (or if it simply blows out of the boat while your not paying attention.)

Similar concept for the weight: slip the loop through the large eye of the weight and slip over to the other side. The weight should be free of burrs.
I have used up to 3 lb. balls using #64 rubber bands. Just be careful so the band doesn't bounce if you need to pull the weight out of the water. No sense in holding onto the wieght all that time and lose it just as you are bringing it into the boat. :lol:

Relentless33 · 05-30-2006, 09:42 AM

No weights slipped at all but I think 2 or 3 balloons did. I think the problem was as simple as wrapping it one more time.

Im trying to visualize your description, I think we do it the same way..

Thanks for the tips and advice

BigGameNick · 05-30-2006, 10:09 AM

The pool noodles are definitly much better than the jugs. just dont make them to high for the weight u use.

Relentless33 · 05-30-2006, 10:13 AM

I havent used pool noodles but a nice size balloon with a cyalume stick on it works great. :lol:

quack quack · 05-30-2006, 10:17 AM

pool noodles are the best.I make them with pvc with female threads on the top so that the fat end of a light stick screws into it. No tape!I attach to the main with a LL clip never a problem!yet

BigGameNick · 05-30-2006, 10:21 AM

do u guys thing it matters if u use release sinkers or no

05-25-2006, 09:03 AM	#23 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,930	As one junkie says to another: here, try this. Good luck Fishing this weekend Relentless. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Was that a mind over-load? :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: At least you got some very good responses back from several forum junkies. I see that your addiction is building. :lol: Yeah, if you try out the different styles that have been provided to you, you will eventially become partial to one or two of them. Maybe, it is good to know them all. That way if you are fishing with other anglers that have different tackle/style configurations, then you will be proficient in all of them. And that is a good quality to have in your angler's "bag of tricks". If you like reel intubaiter's style , you will find that it is very versatile. Because even if you chose to place your weight elsewhere on the line (or if you did not have an electrolume for that) you can still clip the opened snap onto a captive loop or a temporary rubber band place holder. P.S. - There was an article in one of last year's Florida Sportsman magazines about swordfishing in the Gulf of Mexico. The captain/owner of the boat J-hook out of Pensacola did an article about his configuration. Similar style as reel intubaiter plus he used a 3-way swivel to branch off the bait. (a Caribbean rig I think he called it) That magazine, FSM, plus the South Florida Sportfishing Magazine have some really good articles about fishing with a pertinence to Florida. You should subscribe, if you don't already have them by now. You can also check out some more good fishing articles at http://www.southfloridasportfishing.com/ in the Tips and Tales section.

05-25-2006, 10:56 AM	#25 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,930	Grasshopper: disciple of the Shaolin order of Swordslayers Negative, Don't ignore your math. You never know when it may come in handy. Say for example, you are swordfishing. And you know that the wind is dragging you along the surface such that your line has a slope of minus 3. Say you are at a position of y=0 and you have 500 feet of line payed out. What depth will your bait be at? You might be able to solve it with y= mx +b, or if you are missing some info. , You could also solve it with your geometry skill set. It's still a good skill set to have in your bag of tricks, especially when you start navigating with vectors of wind and current added into the equation. Now you can go catch a swordfish and post the photo into the 200 lb. club gallery, now that you've got that one mastered. Now if I could only figure out some of those hot live bait spots around Hillsboro Inlet ? :???:

05-25-2006, 06:54 PM	#28 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,930	Teacher or a student is a relative thing, sometimes both No mocking: maybe you knew something you could share. It takes a network of connections to get it all together. Basically, I have only had spotted luck within Hillsboro inlet for pilchards, especially if you need several hundred for live "chunking". Basically, 15-25 ft. of water, perhaps near the piers around here, inside the first drop-off reef line. But I need more seasoning before I can become a knowledge base on that subject. Got plenty of Ballyhoo north of HI past the 3rd reef before. I figured you are young and you know where the hots spots are: if not give it 3 years and you will know every place from PE to Mizner park. P.S. - No, I am apprentice Grasshopper, just like you. Just that I have been doing my homework a little bit longer. So when you get done with your tutoring with JLo, then you can figure out where your squid will be. Say you used your y = mx + b formula. Say your y-intercept = 0. So then your formula is simply y = mx + 0. Now you know your slope is -3. Plug in the value for m. So, for every increment in x, distance along the water, you go down, -y, 3. Solving for a right angle triangle with sides of 1 and 3, down, from your boat. Solve: inverse tan of angle = 3/1 (opposite over adjacent), which equals 72 degrees. You payed out 500 ft. of line, your hypotenuse, you know your angle of 72 degrees. Solve for your opposite side over your hypotenus with the angle of 72 degrees. So Sin theta (72 degrees) = y (opposite) / hypotenuse (500). Y = 500 X sin(72 degees). Y = 475. Your bait is 475 feet down. Math..... what's it good for? Nothing, you say. Now imagine that the wind is ripping pretty good at 13 knots and your line is laying out flat on the water with 2 lbs. of lead attached. So maybe you have a slope of minus .5. You let out 600 feet of line, how deep is your bait now? Easy to solve: but maybe you need to study with JLo a little longer.

05-25-2006, 07:49 PM	#30 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,930	Were you right with the question? I don't know. What did you say? Was your question right? or Was your answer right? Now, I am confused. (See the problem resolution above and let me know.) Time for this Pirata to go mix a boat drink ang go play with my Puerto Rican girlfriend (and wife). irat: P.S. - I am only a teacher if you learned something from me. Otherwise, I am just a mean old grumpy fart. :lol: "Some people even call me the Machine". Well yes, I am a mutt with some Austrian heritage, But if you saw me talking with my hands-a-flying, you would think I was 100% Italian. Well, hell just imagine how fast I have to type on this keyboard to get these messages out, schnell . Pronto.

05-30-2006, 09:17 AM	#35 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,930	#64 rubberbands will not slip when tied correctly. Relentless: Keeping it simple like you said you prefer, a single #64 rubber band will securely hold a (1-3 lb.) lead weight and/or an inflated balloon. It will not slip when you tie it correctly. Check out the previous threads on this site about tying balloons. I believe Nick C or one of his fishing buddies ?, actually made a movie on how to tie a rubber band to a line. But if you do not have the movie handy, follow these instructions and you will not have to use anything else, unless you prefer to do so. Hold the line in front of you in your less dominant hand along with one end of the rubber band. Using your dominant, grab the line, make 3-4 wraps of the band around the mainline, while stretching the rubber band a little bit. (It holds fast for Spectra braid or nylon monofilament). Now insert the wrapping loop back through the loop that was held stationary. Pull on it enough to snug it up, perhaps 1/2- 3/4 breaking strength, but not enough to overly stress the band. At this point, a good tied rubber band will stay put on the line without coming undone, unless you fiddle with it. ( As a matter of fact I do this all the time on my stern tip line to make a temporary line mark, before I may let her drop another couple hundred feet , then retireve intermittentently until I get back to my mark again. - Ssh, that was a bonus pointer.) When you need to remove it, just grab anywhere other than the protruding loop and tug a little bit and the band loosens right up and you have the band in your hand.) For the balloon connection, stick your index finger and thumb into the loop (from the bottom side pointing up), and roll your hand to form a double wrap (slip loop). Use your other hand to hold the slip loop open while sliding the balloon knot past the rubber slip loop. Pull on the balloon end, while releasing the slip loop and you've got her. (Just make sure the slip loop is snugged up around the balloon before tossing it over the side) You will be able to use the same balloon over and over again unless something causes that balloon to break free. (or if it simply blows out of the boat while your not paying attention.) Similar concept for the weight: slip the loop through the large eye of the weight and slip over to the other side. The weight should be free of burrs. I have used up to 3 lb. balls using #64 rubber bands. Just be careful so the band doesn't bounce if you need to pull the weight out of the water. No sense in holding onto the wieght all that time and lose it just as you are bringing it into the boat. :lol:

05-24-2006, 05:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

05-24-2006, 05:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	Okay lets try to re-write this because my computer has a mind of its own.... It went something like.... Well, ask 1,000 people and get 1,000 answers. I think the #64 rubberband is gonna be the key. It should work perfectly. I like the idea from Reel Intubaitor about attaching it to the light, except one thing, we dont always run a big LP light on all lines in the spread. We usually stick to the small cylumes from Custom Rod and Reel. There was about three times this but I cant remember exactly what it was. :cry: 8-[ I cant wait to get out there this weekend 8-[ =P~

05-25-2006, 06:04 PM	#26 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	HMMM....... :shock: sounds EXACTLY like my teacher, I think you are a teacher or something. She uses the same y= mx + b formula. I dont think the average person knows that. I tried to figure it out with that formula but it just got weird on me :-s 8-[ I decided to see if dividing 500 by 3 sounded right. 166.6 with bar notation over the last six..... :lol: :lol: :lol: haha Keep in mind there is no current right now which is physically impossible. lol

05-25-2006, 06:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	About those live-bait spots.... YOUR ASKING ME ???? :shock: :shock: That was either asking me or mocking me on how i have asked beforewell if it was asking me then....... I'm the one that hates running north to Boca everytime and has posted questions asking about where to find some of those great little spots that are much more convenient...... so now I guess if anyone can help both of us out ??? :lol: :lol: Ive heard the piers with chum but that will take longer then running to Boca. :cry: lol

05-25-2006, 07:22 PM	#29 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	You have to tell me though.... was I right with the question ??? lol :lol:

05-25-2006, 07:51 PM	#31 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	Was the answer right ?? I said 166.6 with bar notation over it

05-25-2006, 09:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	okay i dont no whats wrong with my computer, i guess i was wrong haha lmao See now instead of trying to figure it out that way my solution would be throw on the heaviest lead we have and let er go haha :lol: :lol:

05-28-2006, 02:35 AM	#33 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	Okay well the #64 rubber bands work thanks to pretty much everyone lol The only problem I found with them was that the balloons were sliding on the line. So I guess 2 of those 'little, tiny, wicked strong, black rubberbands' are gonna be on the balloon and the heavier #64 bands will be on the leads.

05-29-2006, 12:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
TZ Grunt Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: FT. LAUDERDALE FL. BAHIA MAR Occupation: HAPPY DAY TODAY- CHARTER BOAT Posts: 3	TRY USING PHONE WIRE. SKIN IT BACK TO ABOUT SIX INCHES. PUT HANGER ON FISHING LINE ATTACH WIRE TO BALLOON WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE. PHONE WIRE WITH THE COVER ON IT WORKS VERY WELL.

05-30-2006, 09:42 AM	#36 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	No weights slipped at all but I think 2 or 3 balloons did. I think the problem was as simple as wrapping it one more time. Im trying to visualize your description, I think we do it the same way.. Thanks for the tips and advice

05-30-2006, 10:09 AM	#37 (permalink)
BigGameNick Grunt Join Date: May 2006 Location: Davie Fl Boat: fishing Occupation: national guard Posts: 10	The pool noodles are definitly much better than the jugs. just dont make them to high for the weight u use.

05-30-2006, 10:13 AM	#38 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,894	I havent used pool noodles but a nice size balloon with a cyalume stick on it works great. :lol:

05-30-2006, 10:17 AM	#39 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,425	pool noodles are the best.I make them with pvc with female threads on the top so that the fat end of a light stick screws into it. No tape!I attach to the main with a LL clip never a problem!yet __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

05-30-2006, 10:21 AM	#40 (permalink)
BigGameNick Grunt Join Date: May 2006 Location: Davie Fl Boat: fishing Occupation: national guard Posts: 10	most used do u guys thing it matters if u use release sinkers or no