CANT KEEP ONE ON THE HOOK

MANATEE MANGLER · 08-15-2005, 09:53 AM

0/6 HAD SOME SLOBS ON THE LINE FOR AN HOUR PLUS.HOOK KEEPS PULLING. PLEASE HELP. ANY THING HELPS

CaptainEd · 08-15-2005, 10:10 AM

Pulling hooks can be from a few things. First thing is probably from too much drag. Even if you only have 12-14 pounds of drag on the fish it's important to remember that as your line goes out further your drag pressure is increased without you touching the settings. You may think you have only 14lbs on the fish into the fight when in reality you have 20.

You should try keeping your weight 40-60 ft from your bait. The more time the fish doesn't feel any resistance while eating your bait the better. You want to make sure you don't push the drag lever forward to get tight on the fish prematurely. Let the fish run 3-5 seconds and ease the drag forward. This helps in getting a good hook set.

Make sure your hook(s) are very sharp. Usually a smaller hook will not get as solid a hook up and will pull easier. What size hook(s) are you using?

One more thing to check is that you are not rigging your squid so that the hard part of the head is filling the j area in the hook. This looks nice on a squid but it will cause you to have many poor hook sets, losing fish via pulled hooks.

It is still summer and while there are a good number of bigger fish being caught there are still a lot of rats. These rats are hard to get a good hook set in because they have small mouths and they are sloppy eaters. Hope this helps.

Shark Tagger · 08-15-2005, 10:24 AM

First of all, nice name...

Try fishing more dead baits... Live bait is for the pro's

FinalPoint · 08-15-2005, 11:56 AM

Great advice, Ed.

MANATEE MANGLER · 08-15-2005, 01:23 PM

THANKS ED. I AM GETTING TIRED OF PULLING HOOKS.
HAD ONE LAST WEEK SPOOL A 80W WITH 130# SPECTRA.HOOK PULLED AFTER 3 HRS AND A LONG CHASE.AND THANKS TO THE CAPT WHO PULLED HIS LINES FOR ME DONT KNOW HIS NAME.STILL LOST IT BUT IT WAS A HELL OF A FIGHT.I HAVE LANDED 200# + AND THIS WAS MONSTER.MAYBE NEXT TIME.

Ron.38 Special · 08-15-2005, 04:34 PM

What you haven't said is, are your pulled hooks on live baits or squids?

We fish very differently with either bait as far as initial drag, hook set, style of hook.

You have to expect high ratio of pulled hooks on live baits, but if you are pulling a lot of hooks with squid baits, you need to change your rig or how you set the hook. We lock em down with squid, but fish them real light with live baits.

As far as ultimate drag setting, those fish can handle anything you can give them without breaking the line. How hard do you think the bouy guys pull on them and they regularly catch fish at least as big as the one posted lately. A solidly set squid bait with a good hook, probably can't be pulled with the drag on an 80 without breaking the line.

CaptainEd · 08-15-2005, 06:58 PM

Ron only a few weeks ago you posted here telling me the buoy guys weren't catching enough fish to pay for their beer money. So which is it? Are they regularly catching fish as big as the one posted lately like you say today or are you just talking out of your ass again?

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J.P Freeman · 08-19-2005, 07:22 AM

everyone pulls hooks, its part of the game. i went on a 0-21 streak a few years back. you win some you loose some. go get em.

Randy · 08-19-2005, 07:25 AM

The commercial guy uses bouys with 65#s of pull , He has caught 7 keeper fish since February . These are the facts from his mouth. I dont know how many sets he's done whether he's out there every night or just once in awhile. He is very friendly and eager to explain how it works going so far as to invite you to "come by and check it out" if you wish.
On another note...
Im having a problem with the fish weight , Im reasonably new at this (7 fish now in 9 trips) but am finding large discrepencies in the fish weights. I just caught a 51' and using a farmers scale it weighed exactly 54 pounds. Repeated weighings at the dock are coming up short of the "guestimated" weights up to almost 48% !! My question ...Is everyone using a scale to measure these fish ? I've had one guy exclaiming " 100POUND MONSTER" and upon weighing it was exactly 53 lbs. Is there a accurate measurement of inches = pounds ? I need to find a inches = pounds calculation that equals actual scale weight. Anyone know one I can test ? It's a pain having to hook up the scale and lift the fish each time to find my guestimated 85 lber only weighs 50 lbs. Thanks , Randy

jerry · 08-19-2005, 08:13 AM

Hey Randy, I had the same problem and got this formula from the site here. (Lengthxgirthxgirth)/800
Not sure how accurate it is but some of the guys here said it was withing a few pounds or so.

Randy · 08-19-2005, 11:24 AM

Thanks Jerry , Ill give that a try. Im havin trouble as every formula i try when i actually weigh it it's WAY off.

08-15-2005, 09:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
MANATEE MANGLER Lines In Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 79	CANT KEEP ONE ON THE HOOK 0/6 HAD SOME SLOBS ON THE LINE FOR AN HOUR PLUS.HOOK KEEPS PULLING. PLEASE HELP. ANY THING HELPS

08-19-2005, 07:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
J.P Freeman Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FLA Boat: 19 ft. Century Best Catch: 400 lbs. club Occupation: USCG Posts: 289	everyone pulls hooks, its part of the game. i went on a 0-21 streak a few years back. you win some you loose some. go get em. __________________ If it ain't shartruse, it ain't no use.

08-19-2005, 07:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Randy Hooked Up Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 124	Commercial Guy The commercial guy uses bouys with 65#s of pull , He has caught 7 keeper fish since February . These are the facts from his mouth. I dont know how many sets he's done whether he's out there every night or just once in awhile. He is very friendly and eager to explain how it works going so far as to invite you to "come by and check it out" if you wish. On another note... Im having a problem with the fish weight , Im reasonably new at this (7 fish now in 9 trips) but am finding large discrepencies in the fish weights. I just caught a 51' and using a farmers scale it weighed exactly 54 pounds. Repeated weighings at the dock are coming up short of the "guestimated" weights up to almost 48% !! My question ...Is everyone using a scale to measure these fish ? I've had one guy exclaiming " 100POUND MONSTER" and upon weighing it was exactly 53 lbs. Is there a accurate measurement of inches = pounds ? I need to find a inches = pounds calculation that equals actual scale weight. Anyone know one I can test ? It's a pain having to hook up the scale and lift the fish each time to find my guestimated 85 lber only weighs 50 lbs. Thanks , Randy

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08-15-2005, 10:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
CaptainEd Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dania beach Occupation: USCG Master Captain Posts: 264	Pulling hooks can be from a few things. First thing is probably from too much drag. Even if you only have 12-14 pounds of drag on the fish it's important to remember that as your line goes out further your drag pressure is increased without you touching the settings. You may think you have only 14lbs on the fish into the fight when in reality you have 20. You should try keeping your weight 40-60 ft from your bait. The more time the fish doesn't feel any resistance while eating your bait the better. You want to make sure you don't push the drag lever forward to get tight on the fish prematurely. Let the fish run 3-5 seconds and ease the drag forward. This helps in getting a good hook set. Make sure your hook(s) are very sharp. Usually a smaller hook will not get as solid a hook up and will pull easier. What size hook(s) are you using? One more thing to check is that you are not rigging your squid so that the hard part of the head is filling the j area in the hook. This looks nice on a squid but it will cause you to have many poor hook sets, losing fish via pulled hooks. It is still summer and while there are a good number of bigger fish being caught there are still a lot of rats. These rats are hard to get a good hook set in because they have small mouths and they are sloppy eaters. Hope this helps.

08-15-2005, 10:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
Shark Tagger Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sunny Isles Best Catch: 475lb Mako Occupation: Engineering Posts: 920	First of all, nice name... Try fishing more dead baits... Live bait is for the pro's

08-15-2005, 11:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
FinalPoint Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lighthouse Pt., FL Boat: Contender 36 Fisharound Best Catch: 1183 lb. Swordfish Occupation: School Posts: 896	Great advice, Ed.

08-15-2005, 01:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
MANATEE MANGLER Lines In Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 79	THANKS ED. I AM GETTING TIRED OF PULLING HOOKS. HAD ONE LAST WEEK SPOOL A 80W WITH 130# SPECTRA.HOOK PULLED AFTER 3 HRS AND A LONG CHASE.AND THANKS TO THE CAPT WHO PULLED HIS LINES FOR ME DONT KNOW HIS NAME.STILL LOST IT BUT IT WAS A HELL OF A FIGHT.I HAVE LANDED 200# + AND THIS WAS MONSTER.MAYBE NEXT TIME.

08-15-2005, 04:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ron.38 Special Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 234	What you haven't said is, are your pulled hooks on live baits or squids? We fish very differently with either bait as far as initial drag, hook set, style of hook. You have to expect high ratio of pulled hooks on live baits, but if you are pulling a lot of hooks with squid baits, you need to change your rig or how you set the hook. We lock em down with squid, but fish them real light with live baits. As far as ultimate drag setting, those fish can handle anything you can give them without breaking the line. How hard do you think the bouy guys pull on them and they regularly catch fish at least as big as the one posted lately. A solidly set squid bait with a good hook, probably can't be pulled with the drag on an 80 without breaking the line.

08-15-2005, 06:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
CaptainEd Hooked Up Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dania beach Occupation: USCG Master Captain Posts: 264	Ron only a few weeks ago you posted here telling me the buoy guys weren't catching enough fish to pay for their beer money. So which is it? Are they regularly catching fish as big as the one posted lately like you say today or are you just talking out of your ass again? http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/a...ptainEd713.jpg

08-19-2005, 08:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
jerry Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Jamaica Boat: 35ft Contender Best Catch: they are all good Occupation: Operations Manager Posts: 355	Hey Randy, I had the same problem and got this formula from the site here. (Lengthxgirthxgirth)/800 Not sure how accurate it is but some of the guys here said it was withing a few pounds or so.

08-19-2005, 11:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
Randy Hooked Up Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 124	Thanks Jerry , Ill give that a try. Im havin trouble as every formula i try when i actually weigh it it's WAY off.

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