what's wrong with this picture?

[sammythebu11]

Hillary wants to "boost muslim ties" while Iran is shipping weapons to Syria?

when are these guys going to learn not to trusts the extremists?

Clinton offers U.S. aid to help boost Muslim ties - Yahoo! India News

VOA News - Israel Seizes Ship Loaded With Weapons

either they are completely clueless or they just love dictators....

[OBAMA]

There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer (Godfather, 1972)

[sammythebu11]

Well, I guess the enemy was so close today that he was INSIDE FT HOOD and shot and killed 12 and wounded 31. but I guess that's OK because we want to be their friend....
sadly it didn't take long for my comment to become true.

[OBAMA]

Sammy, what are you talking about?? What is the connection between the
tragedy at Fort Hood and Iran?? You must have access to some info
the rest of us don't?? cheers, O

[sammythebu11]

The shooter was muslim and disgruntled he said that he hoped that the muslim raised against the aggressor... his name was Malik Nadal Hasan. so go ahead and put 2 & 2 together....

[bigsplash]

sammy i understand your point, just remember more people in this country are dead from christians than from muslims.

[mneptune]

Originally Posted by bigsplash

sammy i understand your point, just remember more people in this country are dead from christians than from muslims.

You are kidding right?

So Fred, how many airplanes have the christians hijacked and flown into buildings lately?

How many bombs have the christians strapped onto little children and sent into market places to commit mass caualties among innocent people lately?

How many children have christians kidnapped to use as bombers lately?

How many female children have christians kidnapped and raped to propagate the ranks of christian extremists?

How many poppy fields are christians growing to finance a terror campaign against every other non-chrisitan nation on earth?

How many christians murder their own family members and justify it as an honor killing?

How many IED's have christians planted to blow innocent people up lately?

How many hotels and resorts have christians targeted to kill innocent people who were just on vacation?

C'mon Fred Farrakhan, educate me on how so many more people in this country are dead from those evil christians than muslims? Educate us all on how all the muslims of the world believe in peace, freedom and acceptance of others?

[sammythebu11]

Fred,

I would like to know how many Christians or Jews or Buddhist or any other religion for that matter have threatened to wipe out a nation (like Ahmadinejad keeps doing every chance he has)?
Or threaten to attack someone just because they don't believe in the same principles that they believe in?
Or fly rockets to a neighboring country targeting schools or hospitals or innocent civilians?

I tried to see your comment as a joke, but there is no twisted way to make this into a joke.

I'm sorry Fred, but you are insulting my intelligence here....

[sammythebu11]

wrong info, sorry

[Certifiable]

Fred, You are "almost" correct. The correct version is "more people have died in the name of religion than by any other human conflict". However, that refers to the crusades of the dark ages and the reign of the corrupt religious leaders through the inquisitions.
I believe that religious "extremism" is the most dangerous enemy that we face today.
Your post stated that "more people in this country are dead from christians than muslims". You are creating a statistic that pits American man vs American man on our nations soil, and eliminating religion as the stated cause for the killing. That is true only due to the fact that there are more christians than muslims in this country...for now.
The real question is "how many christians have recently killed innocent muslims and thier families in this country, or in the WORLD in the name of thier RELIGION"?

No worries Fred, I "think" I know where you were going with that statement....sometimes the words just don't come off of the keyboard the same way they come out of the mouth.
I respect all opinions and points of view...it gives us all a better education whether we know it or not.

[sammythebu11]

Here Fred, here is another one you can be proud of:

New York-Based Radical Muslim Hails Fort Hood Massacre - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

I guess we should not say anything to them until they kill more people than the christians.... that is a twisted way to justify something.... Next time, compare them to the nazis so they can be a few million behind and can be justified for a lot longer....

and another:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115325

[bigsplash]

Originally Posted by Certifiable

"more people in this country are dead from christians than muslims". You are creating a statistic that pits American man vs American man on our nations soil, and eliminating religion as the stated cause for the killing. That is true only due to the fact that there are more christians than muslims in this country...
No worries Fred, I "think" I know where you were going with that statement....sometimes the words just don't come off of the keyboard the same way they come out of the mouth.
I respect all opinions and points of view...it gives us all a better education whether we know it or not.

first to mneptune and sammy, i am with you on this, i think muslim extremist
are a problem and America should wake up, both you guys want to argue so fast and just label me one way. certifiable really expressed the point i was trying to say.(so thanks) i am on the side of Americans. just remember that
when we disagree. i lived on fort hood for three years so trust me i have no mercy for this guy or his cause.

[Tackle Engineer]

Originally Posted by bigsplash

first to mneptune and sammy, i am with you on this, i think muslim extremist
are a problem and America should wake up, both you guys want to argue so fast and just label me one way.

Fred , IMO Neptune and Sammy did not label you. I`m surprised you even posted those words. Most of your posts are combative. Including your first post !! but thats ok. Then , A couple of us were labeled as biggots by you in another earlier post! I have to admit that as soon as I read your post I thought the same thing as both neptune and Sammy as here we go Fred`s going to take the opposite side of whatever it is that we are talking about. That is fine with me cause I have a 19 yr old daughter that does the exact same thing, LOL . I`m used to it. I see Certifiable`s explanation for you clearly. He hit the nail on the head. If you re-read what you wrote sammy: i understand your point, just remember more people in this country are dead from christians than from muslims." It fires the combat shot for "debate". anyway no harm done

On another note
I think the sadest part is that many muslims in this country are being labeled now. I know and have employed muslim`s for many years. They were nothing like the extremist that we see in the news today. In fact they were good people and proud to be Americans. Very patriotic and always remarked how it is so much better to live in this country then there birth country. Becoming a citizen was a big deal for one of my workers. He was with my company a little over 20 years. Two years later after his citizenship was 911 and the man cried on the factory floor. I will never forget him sobbing that the very people he left his country to get away from have now come here to attack and destroy are way of life in the name of religion. He has since passed away but his goal was to become an American citizen, that he accomplished. -TE

[OBAMA]

Originally Posted by bigsplash

sammy i understand your point, just remember more people in this country are dead from christians than from muslims.

As written, this statement is correct. There are more americans
resting in peace from WWI, WWII, the civil war, etc than all
extremist acts together.

Extremists and religion fundamentalists are the problem regardless
of their flavor; do we really need to throw more gasoline on a fire
that started 1/2 a millennium ago in the crusades?? peace to all during
the upcoming holiday season. cheers, O

[Tackle Engineer]

O, The gages are fixed and I have a no bridge Slip in 2 weeks

[OBAMA]

Originally Posted by Tackle Engineer

O, The gages are fixed and I have a no bridge Slip in 2 weeks

That's good news!! I'm ready!


TE, I see that we posted the same time. Your point is very important,
the vast majority of muslims are good people. I had lunch with a few
muslim scientists on friday and they hate the fundamentalists as much
as we do. cheers, O

[sammythebu11]

Arthur,

you are right there are more americans dead from all wars (most of them we should have not been in) than all extremists acts together but that does not make the extremists right, as a matter of fact, if you use violence to justify your beliefs you already lost your cause, but the fact that the United States defended the side that was being railroaded by the extremists is what makes this country great, the fact that we are willing to defend someone that doesn't even have the same beliefs that we do in the name of justice is what brought me to this country, and for someone to compare the deaths of people that died defending this country and justice to muslims extremists irates me, even more after he said he served in the same place where this numbnuts killed some of his own people.
I have decided to ignore Fred's comments from now on, like TE says all his comments are combative and without substance.
sorry if I got aggressive but I operate on logic and there was no logic on that post.

[Tackle Engineer]

The Japanese whom lived here went to prison camps after pearl harbor. As much as i would like to understand why I do have a problem with the treatment and overall they are all guilty syndrome. I think it has something to do with the time of life you lived in and the belief that everyone in the world is out to get you. During those times the nazis were in power and the world was a fricken mess and full of hatred and murder. America assimilated japan with germany as they were having stratigy meetings with each other . I have a couple friends in Cali whose families spent time in a camp. They are all Americans. They are all very good people and the guy I know only son is a pilot in the airforce as we speak. I pray for a safe return for him and know the kid since he was a baby.. $hit i feel old

[bigsplash]

[QUOTE=sammythebu11;128069]Arthur,


I have decided to ignore Fred's comments from now on, like TE says all his comments are combative and without substance.
QUOTE]

sammy i said that certifiable made the point i was trying to make. i dont make point just to disagree. i have agreed with many comments and have said so. i said initially i understood your point i just said keep other things in mind, how was that combative? read the post. any little comment i make
look at what im called " fred Farrakhan". my views couldn't be further apart.
i am not a conservative so i have different views so sometimes they may be
combative. thats what debate is all about. this post was not that. i started
the post with " i understand your point"

[Dusky Mike]

Originally Posted by OBAMA

Sammy, what are you talking about?? What is the connection between the
tragedy at Fort Hood and Iran?? You must have access to some info
the rest of us don't?? cheers, O

honestly....he was a Muslim who was accused of preaching radical propaganda to his patients on several occasions. He was anti-war and shot people to keep them from going to fight against a muslim country. When did we become so PC that we are not allowed to connect the dots?

[OBAMA]

Originally Posted by Dusky Mike

honestly....he was a Muslim who was accused of preaching radical propaganda to his patients on several occasions. He was anti-war and shot people to keep them from going to fight against a muslim country. When did we become so PC that we are not allowed to connect the dots?

Dusky Mike, when I connect the dots here, I don't come up with Iran
as the first post alluded to. Being Muslim was a factor, but when I
connect the dots for this, the picture is more like a David Chapman
or Columbine, not 9/11 terrorism. cheers, O

[sammythebu11]

Arthur,

I highly recommend you read the news, this terrorist (even though the real obama says that there is no terrorism or doesn't want to call it terrorism, like he says: man made disasters) went to the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers and kept in e-mail contact with and imam that belongs to al-qaeda. who also said that Islam came before America to him....
If you think that none of this comes from Iran, I recommend you open your eyes before they are entrenched deeper in our lives....
you are either being naive about this or are trying to justify it by some other means not to label it a terrorist act...

[OBAMA]

Originally Posted by sammythebu11

Arthur,

I highly recommend you read the news, this terrorist (even though the real obama says that there is no terrorism or doesn't want to call it terrorism, like he says: man made disasters) went to the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers and kept in e-mail contact with and imam that belongs to al-qaeda. who also said that Islam came before America to him....
If you think that none of this comes from Iran, I recommend you open your eyes before they are entrenched deeper in our lives....
you are either being naive about this or are trying to justify it by some other means not to label it a terrorist act...

I do read the news, maybe you should change your news source and look up terrorism in the dictionary. This is a very sad tragic story of someone loosing it because of a number of inner conflicts that were amplified by being a Muslim in a very anti-Muslim environment. Please connect the dots to something in Iran for me because I don't see it. Please show me the proof that he was funded by Iran to kill americans. You can call me a lot of names, but please, naive is not one of them. It is more about having an open mind.

I do hope they hang him for his crime. cheers, O

[sammythebu11]

Arthur,

I just did, let me offer you some reading:
Doc's Talk: U.S.-born Islamic cleric: Nidal Hasan "Did the Right Thing"
Pajamas Media » When Nidal Hasan Reached Out to Al-Qaeda, Why Was Nothing Done About It?
and this one from ABC: Fort Hood Shooter Tried to Contact al Qaeda Terrorists, Officials Say - ABC News

now, do you want me to spell for you the link between al-qaeda and Iran or are you going to tell me that there is no link between them?
just in case: 9/11 Panel Links Al Qaeda, Iran (washingtonpost.com)
9/11 Hijackers Passed Through Iran - TIME
Counterterrorism Blog: The Iran- al Qaeda Conundrum

I'll leave it up to you to connect the dots..........

[OBAMA]

According to CNN and other news sources,

In a statement issued Monday night, the FBI said its investigation "indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."

So Sammy please let the FBI in on what you know; it seems like they are being naive too. cheers, O

[bigsplash]

Originally Posted by OBAMA

According to CNN and other news sources,

In a statement issued Monday night, the FBI said its investigation "indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."

So Sammy please let the FBI in on what you know; it seems like they are being naive too. cheers, O

i can't believe the FBI missed all that information that sammy has. i'm waiting
for this to be tied to president Obama. within a week it will be something
he did to cause this.

[Harry Klauber]

Guys,
You can quote all of the news sources you like, or even the government saying so and so acted alone, but it says NOTHING! Long before 911 this country, along with others, was hated by the muslims (no doubt the minority) and these people are spread out all over the world. How about they quietly infiltrated this country a long time ago and their venom has been spreading right among us. Does anyone think going after Iran, Afghanistan, or Pakistan is going to eradicate the ideology? All we will do is quiet things and provide some stability short term but we cannot suppress the beliefs that these people have had forever. We live in a far different world now and it did not start with 911. It started long before then but the 911 attacks were the wake up call for all of us and all the world.

Things will ebb and flow for the remainder of our lives and no doubt forever. There are too many have nots in this world that hate us and we have to live with that whether we like it or not. Unless we would have chosen isolationism a long time ago there was no way to avoid the plight we find ourselves in. The Israelis only remain as safe as they are because they take no prisoners and in retaliation can be as brutal as they need to be to stay safe. We don't fight that way thus the problem will follow us through our lives and into the next generation.

For the terrorists women, children, civilian targets, whatever, they are all fair game in their ideological crusade. You cannot beat that mentality unless you are willing to match fire with fire. This country has the ability to obliterate everything standing in any country in the world but would NEVER do it. Imagine the message we would send if we were to level a major Muslim city and send the message that with all our power we are showing you that we can be as ruthless as you have been. What an eye opener but it will never happen - too much world condemnation and the tarnishing of our nation as an aggressor - something we have never really been.

Get used to continual attacks, bombings, killing, and the like as it is now life as we know it. It's sad but I believe it to be true. Unless the "ugly americans" choose to really get ugly things will never change in the course of our lives - not when they are training their children to take over the terror when the people in their early years (20's and 30's) are no longer here. We raise our kids on Sesame Street and Nickelodean while they raise theirs on guns and terror tactics. How do we match that?


Sammy,
I don't think it is fair to ignore Fred. Whether you agree/disagree with what he feels he represents a different perspective and we all have to be open to the feelings of others. At times I believe Fred has the right idea about certain things but it just doesn't come out that way when he puts it in words. We all know you are a detailed peson and do not usually post opinion without sources but sometimes with opinion YOU are the only source - just like with what I just wrote. There were no news quotes - just my feelings. I wouldn't expect anyone to say they are going to ignore me for my feelings, or opinions, as I, like Fred, have not attacked or offended anyone with what I have said.

This is a great place to air our thoughts and there will always be people with feedback - both positve and negative - no matter what you say. We all have to learn to accept that not everyone thinks exactly like we do.

I hope to see some of you at the meeting tonight. Harry

[sammythebu11]

Originally Posted by OBAMA

According to CNN and other news sources,

In a statement issued Monday night, the FBI said its investigation "indicates that the alleged gunman acted alone and was not part of a broader terrorist plot."

So Sammy please let the FBI in on what you know; it seems like they are being naive too. cheers, O

Arthur,

since when acting alone precludes an act from being a terrorist act? from what I can remember, ALL the suicide bombers in Israel acted alone, does that make their act not a terrorist act? the act IS a terrorist act with ties to Al-qaeda, the fact that there is not a broader plot does not make it less.
maybe cnn needs to read foxnews (ROFLMAO): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573865,00.html the source is the All Barack Channel (ABC), so it must be true...
"The FBI has opened its own internal review of how it handled the early information about Hasan." maybe the FBI read my post here

Bigsplash, you can take your sarcasm and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.... (Quack, if you need to ban me for this comment, so be it, I am tired of this guy).

[sammythebu11]

Harry,

I agree with you 100%, this is not going to end until they are more afraid of us than we are afraid of them.
We are going to be the bad guy anyway, no matter what we do, same with the Israelis, they can't win that war, but they do it for SURVIVAL, we are not at that point yet, but wait 20-30 yrs until there are more muslims (thus more muslim extremists and I am not saying that all muslims are bad, just the extremists) in the US than any other religion and it will be GAME OVER.
the only way that I see to stop this is with another Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we turn a couple of cities in Iran into silicon and they will be afraid of us for quite a few generations (like the Japanese are now that they don't even allow nuclear development in their country). I am not pro-war or anything like that, but the only way to stop fanatics is with a stick BIGGER than theirs.

my parents come from and Arab country (Morocco), I have heard all the stories about muslim extremists FIRST HAND way before they became wide spread in the middle east or even europe. they will attack their own muslim people if they go against them, imagine what they will do to the "infidels"?

I have nothing against anyone here, as a matter of fact, I have offered my help to anyone who has needed something without even knowing you, I have given coordinates to those who have asked and I don't ask for anything back and I bring facts to my posts, heck, I even try to lighten the day with jokes every once in a while.
Do me a favor and check Fred's posts, I can guarantee you that 90% of his posts have been responding to my posts, mostly in a sarcastic way, and without any facts, just going blindly against anything I say here. I am sorry if I lost it and I apologize to the rest of you, but it's just getting old.

Now I'm going to take a couple of , be back in a couple of hours.

Sam

[bigsplash]

Originally Posted by sammythebu11

Arthur,



Bigsplash, you can take your sarcasm and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.... (Quack, if you need to ban me for this comment, so be it, I am tired of this guy).

now my sarcasm is taken so seroius. sammy let me say this to you.
chill out. i have served this country during time of war and feel i have earned
the right to express my opinion and will continue to do so.we have disagreed
many more times than we agreed. why this time is so different to you, i don't know. what good would it be to have a forum like this and everyone agrees.
we are on different side of the political side but we both love this country
and wants what is best for it. to make you feel better i will agree with you
on the next issue. sammy that was a little sarcasm to lighten the moment.
nothing more.