This is a total disgrace

[saltlessangler]

This pisses me off! As much as we all don't some of the regualtions, we need them.

Here is the link where it can be found: glumbert.com - Dolphin massacre in Japan

[Relentless33]

http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/forum/swordfishing/5742-warning-very-disturbing.html

Originally posted by Broadbill-Pro.

[socalfisher]

i dont see anything wrong with it other than maybe they can do it in a cleaner more humane manner.
Its no different than us killing tuna here. They eat it. Its a delicacy for them.
The video is made to make you think its bad with the sad music in the background. Stupid petA or whoever made it

[Ivan11]

its actually pretty sad =(

[B767]

i dont see anything wrong with it other than maybe they can do it in a cleaner more humane manner.
Its no different than us killing tuna here. They eat it. Its a delicacy for them.
The video is made to make you think its bad with the sad music in the background. Stupid petA or whoever made it

SC Not only can they do it in a more humane way but if it's truly a delicacy, why are they selling it as whale meat? I m not a big fan of PETA but Japan HAS in fact been known to violate all kind of treties everywhere on the planet when it comes to fishing...It s not right..... My 2 pennies worth...........

[socalfisher]

i agree Japan is the sneaky bastard of the international fishing comunity.
But do you ever feel bad about killing a swordfish? dorodo?

its no different. We all eat different shit

They probably think were lame for some of the stuff we eat. But theres absolutely no difference whatsoever

[rollin]

difference #1 - dolphins are mammals - fish are fish
difference #2 - dolphins are intelligent - you'll never catch one by accident on a hook - even with live bait - cant say that about any fish
difference #3 - nobody i know intentionally tortures fish to death - these guys could have put a bullet into the animals heads - they are enjoying the torture
difference #4 - dolphins are not good eating by anyones imagination - the japs kill the dolphins primarily to stop them from competing for fish stocks, (dont get me started on the COMMERCIAL side of this massacre!) - they disguise the reason for the kill as a food source.
difference #5 - dolphins, next to apes are the closest kin to man on the planet

if you need some more arguements on this SC - i'll be your huckleberry.
R

[pelagic predator]

Originally Posted by rollin

difference #1 - dolphins are mammals - fish are fish
difference #2 - dolphins are intelligent - you'll never catch one by accident on a hook - even with live bait - cant say that about any fish
difference #3 - nobody i know intentionally tortures fish to death - these guys could have put a bullet into the animals heads - they are enjoying the torture
difference #4 - dolphins are not good eating by anyones imagination - the japs kill the dolphins primarily to stop them from competing for fish stocks, (dont get me started on the COMMERCIAL side of this massacre!) - they disguise the reason for the kill as a food source.
difference #5 - dolphins, next to apes are the closest kin to man on the planet

if you need some more arguements on this SC - i'll be your huckleberry.
R

Im with rollin, that is absolutely outrageous and absurd.

[Fishalways]

Originally Posted by rollin

difference #1 - dolphins are mammals - fish are fish
difference #2 - dolphins are intelligent - you'll never catch one by accident on a hook - even with live bait - cant say that about any fish
difference #3 - nobody i know intentionally tortures fish to death - these guys could have put a bullet into the animals heads - they are enjoying the torture
difference #4 - dolphins are not good eating by anyones imagination - the japs kill the dolphins primarily to stop them from competing for fish stocks, (dont get me started on the COMMERCIAL side of this massacre!) - they disguise the reason for the kill as a food source.
difference #5 - dolphins, next to apes are the closest kin to man on the planet

if you need some more arguements on this SC - i'll be your huckleberry.
R

#1 Pigs cows and sheep are all mammals.
#2 Studies have shown pigs have an equivalent intelligence as dolphins.
#3 I agree that the slaughter should be more humane, along the lines of a commercial slaugherhouse, If this was implimented would you modifiy your position?
#4 Have you actually eaten Dolphin? If not they how can you judge their quality as a food source.
#5 Mankind has, and still does, exploit animals for many reasons regardless of their relationship to mankind.

Although I agree with your sentiment, I have to support Socal somewhat also.
Just becasue we don't agree with using dolphins for food does not mean it is inherently wrong.

There are cultures that have no issue with dogs being a food source, do you show the same outrage for this? There are many people who would put their pets before even other people.

In short, my point is this is not simply a black and white, wrong vs. right issue. I would prefer that it not take place, but that doesn't mean I'm completely right.

[socalfisher]

its a cultural difference, thats all. My uncle is chinese and loves that shit
We kill cows and shit in butchery factories (whatever theyre called)
What about veal??

I personally see no difference.

If it were me, i would put a bullet in their head or slice their spine with a machete in front of the dorsal fin. That way they dont feel anything.

I just dont see any difference between a japanese boat killin dolphins and a amercian seiner killin tons of tuna. Tuna are smart

Im a fisherman, i kill fish.
I dont feel bad while that pile of white sea bass (remember in in california) lays on the deck of my boat struggling for that last gasp of air.

just my personal opinion.

I dont know about them killing the dolphin just to keep them from eating fish. That sounds like a load to me

[socalfisher]

oh, i forgot the cheers

[B767]

Semantics.. .......Yeap..... ALL!!!!!! arguments are, IMHO, correct. I believe though, that one stands out. Again, just my .02c, The main reason is they (dolphins) are in direct conpetition with their (Japanese) fisheries and I don t think they do eat it as much as they claim. (BTW, I haven t try it but you don t see in Publix or anywhere else where fish is sold, Dolphin (fish) or tuna steaks disguised as grunts or mullet just so they can sell it. -just a thought-).

Remember, It's all a SCAM, you r just not in it!

[tales]

Having grown up raising beef cattle, I see absolutely no difference in this than butchering cattle. Like Socal said, "It's their culture" - like it or not. As for torturing fish, I guess some of you guys never use live bait. Try sewing a hook to the top of your head and see how it feels. I see nothing wrong with the film. Just more PETA and Greenpeace propaganda.

[Dusky Mike]

As a scientist, I can say that dolphins are known as a "charasmatic species" which means that they are cute and cuddly so people feel bad about killing them. Both sides make valid points, but I have to say that it made me a little sick to see it happening (I admit my own hypocracy in this statement!)

ON THE OTHER HAND....dolphins and apes are the ONLY animals other than humans to be able to self-recognize (meaning that they can recognize themselves in a mirror). They mourn for the dead and help the sick in their pods feed and breathe, which makes them more evolved and therefore CLOSER to humans than other mammals. Also, cattle, pigs, and sheep are farm raised, which has no impact on wild populations (dolphins require several years to reach sexual maturity, which could impact their numbers).

I do feel bad when killing fish and I always make sure to eat what I take. I am as humane as possible when doing it. I also realize that it is a necessity of life and it is very natural to kill your own food (better than just buying it off a shelf in the store!) Cheers to those of you who brought up the realistic points about cultural differences and comparisons to livestock. Good points. I think its just human to identify with those rubbery bastards!

[quack quack]

I do not like them killing Dolphins.That is just my opinion.My family worked on whale boats way back when and I think they might even not of liked that video.But the video was edited for shock and awe.Meat animals for the most part are killed quickly and as painlessly as possible.Cattle think they are just being moved before the bolt gun hits them in the head.These dolphins have a long time to think about whats going on and it seems like it takes even longer for them to die.All good points about diff cultures but remember some cultures are still canibales.Does not meen I am going to let them eat me though.If it is such a delicasy why is it canned?That would be like fresh canned tenderlions.Next time I go to Ruth Chris I will ask for the good canned meat.Who would like to have strung up a couple of those guys killing the dolphins.Ballpeen hammers and blowtorches for all.Sorry just cant wrap my head around another culture crap.If they did this to survive fine.Like the Eskimos and such that kill whales and seels and stuff they use it all and need it to survive.I do not think those huys needed to slay those dolphins to survive.But I guess it kept them from killing marlin and finning sharks for awhile.

[saltlessangler]

You all have very good points, both pros and cons, no matter what ones opinions might be. I’m neither a tree huggin hippie nor a poacher (just an obsessed angler), but IMO if it was a delicacy, would you be dragging it behind your dump truck? I highly doubt any of you get the truck or ATV, and drag your swords to the cutting table. After reading all the articles on how to properly handle tuna for sushi or sashimi (most of them coming from the Japanese) I can’t believe they can honestly argue it is a delicacy. To me it just looks like over exploitation and unethical methods of fishing. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great posts and opinions. Everyone has their opinion and shouldn’t be judged for that, but a friendly argument helps us get through the 9-5.

[B767]

Originally Posted by saltlessangler

You all have very good points, both pros and cons, no matter what ones opinions might be. I’m neither a tree huggin hippie nor a poacher (just an obsessed angler), but IMO if it was a delicacy, would you be dragging it behind your dump truck? I highly doubt any of you get the truck or ATV, and drag your swords to the cutting table. After reading all the articles on how to properly handle tuna for sushi or sashimi (most of them coming from the Japanese) I can’t believe they can honestly argue it is a delicacy. To me it just looks like over exploitation and unethical methods of fishing. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great posts and opinions. Everyone has their opinion and shouldn’t be judged for that, but a friendly argument helps us get through the 9-5.

Well said........Indeed a good respectible and friendly debate.......

[socalfisher]

Originally Posted by B767

Well said........Indeed a good respectible and friendly debate.......

yeah, i dont know about the dragging it behind the truck thing too.

[Disco Lady]

CONO!!!!!! F@#KING JAPS.....

[quack quack]

look the young are against it in Japan.FOXNews.com - Young Japanese Lose Interest in Whaling - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News