Exceprt from Linda Greenlaw book about water temp????

[greg1]

A few years ago I read Linda Greenlaw's book about Swordfishing.

There was a section where she described how they would lower the temp gauge down to certain water depths to find the thermocline.

I can't find the book and have forgotten what the water temp they were looking for was.

Has anybody read it recently and remember this part?

[Nick C]

i've heard that if you can locate the thermocline, put your baits on it! That's where they are at!!!!!

[Tuna Devil]

I think it was "All fisherman are liars"

You can also crank up the gain and you should be able to mark it.

Fish in the corners.

[Disco Lady]

CONO....... Very well said T.D

[The BEAST]

The thermocline theory would explain why I catch so many fish on the surface rod ???????

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[greg1]

Capt. Jim. Does the surface rod ever get smothered by sharks?

Also, what water temp are you guys fishing most?

[The BEAST]

greg1,

Actually I don't recall catching any sharks on the surface rod at least not any for sure in the past year. Most of my sharks are those silly 3-4' night sharks. I wouldn't mind catching a Mako every now and then. Most of my shark bites come between 100-300' depths.

I call 50' and up my surface rod. As long as I can see my LED glowing underwater way out there it is a surface rod. I have lost count of how many Swords I have caught on that rod. The Big'un we pulled the hooks on last month was baited in on an artificial bait on that 50' rod.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[Basil]

The book is titled "The Hungry Ocean". She spent hours towing a temperture bird, charting the thermocline over miles that she would set her line.

[greg1]

That's it. Do you remember what temp water she was looking for?

[Uncle Buck]

Linda Greenlaw... she's a swordboat captain on the Banks, right? Do you think the same temps and conditions apply in the Southern states? I'm guessing the circumstances are a lot different in the Florida Straits versus the North Atlantic.

In any case, that book has gotta be an interesting read.

[greg1]

True, but it's always good to know what people with that much experience do.

I want to learn as much as possible and then see what I can apply to my local fishery.

I think she was looking for large temperature changes more than
a certain temperature. cheers, arthur

[Incognito]

As unclebuck said she fishes the northeast so the numbers won't be what you want here but the big change. Up there for Tuna you would be looking for something like a 68 surface temp changing to 72 and that is in August. I did not go swimming much up there as compared to here in Key West.

[Broadbill-Pro]

on the grand banks the western edge of the gulf stream goes from about 55f to 70f at times in only a mile or 2. when the wind blows that break gets covered up (strong west wind will push the cold water over top of the break). a down temp (bird) will allow you to keep with the edge of whatever water temp is most productive. surface temp can be misleading.

fished next to miss linda a few times, she's a good story teller.

[just2fish]

Originally Posted by Tuna Devil

I think it was "All fisherman are liars"

You can also crank up the gain and you should be able to mark it.

Fish in the corners.

would this be what we think is the false return on the display. i was thinking about this thread last night while we were drifting. i turned up the gain on the 582 and it would give the return of the bottom, but down about 400' from the surface is the other return. is this what you are referring to. i should have taken a pic of the display.

[knothome]

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[RiskTaker]

Greg1:

What do you need to know about thermoclines for? You alrighty know how to catch swordfish without hooking them even. :razz: . Thermocline knowledge will give you an unfair advantage. :lol:

I think it is hard to say what the exact thermocline temperatures are without sending a sensor to check. But from what I have learned about the South Florida fishing, I would be sure to patrol a bait above and below the thermocline to cover your bases. (TD - Is this what you meant by fishing the corners? Clarify "corners" if you don't mind. )

I'm sure you may have heard some people describing having a fish getting hooked up... it may go through a bunch of maneauvers, but many times it seems like they will settle back into a preferred depth, if you are having difficulty coaxing them to the boat, quite possibly the same depth where they were initially hooked up.

Rumor has it that they will tend to stay in that zone, at least for a while: but ovbiously nothing remains static forever, so a change in depth is imminent through the night. But at that particular moment in time when your baited line is passing through an area, it seems to be reasonable to patrol two zones, instead of one, then favor where the action is. So if you can identify a thermocline with your sounder, whatever the temperature difference may be, maybe you want a line above and below that depth maybe a 100 ft. separation, as many will typically do as a basic spread anyway.

I have never caught a night shark shallow. So far, they have hit a line about a 100 FSW or more down. Can't say that I have caught them below 400 FSW either. Although I think that their behavior is similar to swordfish: rise up in the water column at night, in general and return to depth by day, in general.

I have caught mako sharks right at the surface, like near the chum slick as well as 100-200 FSW. But I suspect that they can be all over the place as well. After all sharks are "the masters of the vertical".

Relentless33, or should I call you Jr.? I am so confused now with this 7 page thread, but way to keep the forum busy. It seems like a few good nuggets of information have still trickled in. - Did you happen to notice of a post on this thread from Basil? Seems like with all the chatter, well not to mention a few other swordfishing celebrities as well, that Basil chimed in on this one. He makes some pretty good wind-on leaders and can probably provide some fairly "experienced based" comments on Hollow core spectra. Check out http://www.bhptackle.com/ if you want to do some additional research about wind-ons, or Spectra.

Well, time for this land-lubber to get off vacation time and get a few honey-dos, done.... So that I will have her blessing to get out swordfishing again, sometime soon, but tomorrow night is too soon.

Please advise if anybody hears how the Satellite tagging effort is making out. Supposedly they were set to try tagging a few tonight (SAIL club activity). Lets see how it goes. I am pretty excited about this endeavour and wished to be able to help too, but again, not tonight.

[Relentless33]

RT: I just got to the computer and haven't checked the 7 page thread yet

We talked to Steve? from Hi-Liner tonight about lights because my Dad knows him pretty well and he said he was going out tonight with the scientists to go tag some swords. If I hear anything about it I will be sure to let you know.

[RiskTaker]

RL33:

7 pages, and you know whose fault that is? Look in the mirror and your guess will be as good as mine. :lol:

Seems like you need a bigger gasoline budget. Less time to type and more time to turn those screws.

Like I should really talk here: I need a larger diesel budget and a planing hull. If that were granted, you may not likely hear a peep out me any longer. we maybe except for the occassional fishing report from some remote Caribbean Island. :razz:

P.S. - I think I got a couple of the forum threads interlaced: but you will know what I am saying since you are active on all of them.

[quack quack]

Just2fish you are correct that false bottom is the thermilcline Like the guys said fish baits above, below and on it.Remember if the finder says it is at 250ft when you place your baits down remember the angle of the line compared to actual line depth.If I find the cline after putting out the spread put some extra weight on a tip rod and start working it around the cline depth.Go deeper and bring it back up through the cline.Every one says the fish hit as we were checking the baits or he followed the bait up.I think the swords really like the movement and more so when that movement is through the cline