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12-21-2006, 02:52 PM
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Lines In
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hobe Sound Florida
Boat: 24'6 Topaz CC
Best Catch: 250 pound manatee
Occupation: Photographer
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I am all over this. I am writing letters to everyone. We need more help. We need to recruit people. Other than those of us that browse the fishing forums and go to meetings, most fishermen I talk with have no idea any of this is going on.
This sucks. If we let this continue, one day there will be a fence closing off access to the ocean for recreational anglers. Lets have a big jamborie in front of George Geiger's house. The system used to propose these regulations and force feed them to us is flawed. I think we need a total re-organization of the system. Sort of like our flawed government. All proposed legislation should have to go through three entities. Rereational representatives, commercial reps, and the whinner enviromentalists. The only way anything will pass is with all parties compromising. The current format is nothing but lying good ol boys out for their intrests only. I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore  
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12-21-2006, 08:23 PM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stuart Inlet, Fla
Boat: DeepDropping, BottomFishing, Offshore Fishing, Beerdrinking
Best Catch: 976 lb Manatee
Occupation: Beaver Wrangler at the Heavy Petting Zoo
Posts: 711
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I hate to drop another turd in the punch bowl but I got the latest newsletter release fromSAFMC. (y'all really need to sign up for it - it's on their website).
Geiger's grouper & snapper advisory council has recommended that commercials be allowed to possess bottomfish even while transiting MPA areas so long as their gear is stowed. That's like a bank robber being allowed to carry his loot down the street so long as his gun is in his pocket. I mean WTF? What the f*** is going to be the next clearly pro-commercial bullshit cave-in from the grouper & snapper advisory council? Part of my sales route takes me up into Geiger's home territory, Sebastian FL. I arrange my lunchtimes so I can go into the local tackle stores and shoot the s*** with the owners. As soon as I start on about the bullshit SAFMC snowie and tile regs, I don't even have to mention Geiger's name but the owner's invariably do. To a man they all say, "If Geiger had his way, all recreational fishing would be catch & release. And yet he still says loudly that commercials need to be able to make a living." These are guys in tackle stores from Melbourne to Vero Beach. THese guys all know him and know him well. I think Geiger should be booted off the SAFMC as a recreational representative when he so clearly, and fraudulently, is mis-representing recreational interests and is clearly representing commercial and eco-fascist interests. Let him rejoin SAFMC as what he truly is, pro-commercial or pro-ecofascist. But Mr. Geiger, PLEASE don't piss on my back and tell me it's rainin'! Catch-All
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12-22-2006, 07:39 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
Posts: 558
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I signed up for their newsletter .... but after I had sent Geiger 2 scathing emails. At any rate, I haven't received any newsletter. Maybe they blacklisted me
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12-22-2006, 07:49 AM
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Lines In
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hobe Sound Florida
Boat: 24'6 Topaz CC
Best Catch: 250 pound manatee
Occupation: Photographer
Posts: 10
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Mark, do you know when Gieger's term is up? We should start writing to the person in charge of appointing people about our issues with Gieger.
Got any names? |
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12-23-2006, 09:16 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stuart Inlet, Fla
Boat: DeepDropping, BottomFishing, Offshore Fishing, Beerdrinking
Best Catch: 976 lb Manatee
Occupation: Beaver Wrangler at the Heavy Petting Zoo
Posts: 711
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Gaitor is 100% correct in naming Bill Hogarth. Mr. Hogarth is the person we need to send our letters and emails to regarding the actions of SAFMC. He can't act on things unless he's made aware of it.
Fish-n-dude to the rescue! Kenny, you are our inernet sleuth. What is Hogarth's email address? I couldn't find it on the NMFS site. Mark
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Last edited by Catch-All; 12-23-2006 at 09:18 AM.. Reason: I'm lazy |
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12-23-2006, 07:04 PM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
Posts: 558
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I can't speak to an email address ... but here is Hogarth's mailing address:
United States Department Of Commerce National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration National Marine Fisheries Service 1315 East-West Highway Silver Spring, MD 20910 The Director He he ... even looking at the address boggles one's mind as to the layers of buerocratic horse hockey one has to go through to find someone with either a pulse or something other than a flatline brain scan. |
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12-24-2006, 06:17 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lake Worth fl
Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper
Occupation: Gunnel Washer
Posts: 2,061
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Geiger Gotsta Go
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 . He's been bought out and has to go . Thanks for the address Gaitor. He'll be getting a letter from me soon. DF2
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12-26-2006, 01:32 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Boat in Boynton / Home In Boca
Boat: Sailfish 218CC
Best Catch: 350+ Mako
Occupation: Graphic Designer
Posts: 1,981
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12-28-2006, 07:04 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lake Worth fl
Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper
Occupation: Gunnel Washer
Posts: 2,061
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The Hook and the Damage Done
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 . No doubt Trawlers are a far bigger destructive force . Furthermore most can't or won't try to anchor in more than 300'. Nevertheless all of us should when anchoring, drop the hook in the sand on either side of the target structure, and use the appropriate size ball, and the correct amount of rode to minimize damage to underwater habitat. Like I said I don't agree w/ them villafying rec anglers, just trying to clarify the argument as well as encourage proper anchoring techniques. It takes years if not decades to rebuild what an improperly deployed anchor can destroy in a matter of seconds .
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12-28-2006, 08:51 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: north miami, keystone point
Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing
Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod
Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder
Posts: 1,573
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Hey butch .. as you know anchoring in very deep water is out of the question ... even at 300ft at a scope of 7 to 1 ... I dont think many boats could store that much .. unless you have a cruise ship! most likely the best way is drifting ... I only anchor in shallow waters and wrecks 40-120ft... can you imagine anchoring in our tile spots ..in 600 plus waters ... thats a lot of rope to pull up ...!!!!My aching back!!!!!!!!
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12-29-2006, 12:19 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lake Worth fl
Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper
Occupation: Gunnel Washer
Posts: 2,061
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We routinely anchor in 230'. The float ball and ring do all the back breakin work.
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01-01-2007, 07:48 PM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stuart Inlet, Fla
Boat: DeepDropping, BottomFishing, Offshore Fishing, Beerdrinking
Best Catch: 976 lb Manatee
Occupation: Beaver Wrangler at the Heavy Petting Zoo
Posts: 711
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Fish-N-Dude and Gaitor6 - perhaps your online sleuthing abilities will still turn up Director Hogarth's email address but meanwhile, is there an email address for the Secretary of Commerce, Director Hogarth's boss? I believe the more emails and letters we can address to the higher-ups the easier it will be for our voice to be heard and possibly drown out the lying bullsh** of the eco-fascists and industrial-commercials.
BTW - I've decided I am going to name the guilty segment of the commercial deepwater bottomfishing industry the "industrial-commercials". I am all in favor of the non-industrial commercial guys who go out there and use the exact same gear we use to deepdrop. They are catchin' 'em up Olde Skool and aren't destroying the bottom habitat nor are they destroying the fishery. It's the industrial-commercials who are clear-cutting the bottom habitat and causing all of the rest of us to suffer fishery losses and draconian bullshit regs, including the eco-fascists wetdream, MPAs. These industrial-commercials need to be singled out for ridicule and punishment. Catch-All
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01-04-2007, 07:09 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
Posts: 558
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NOAA Fisheries Website
Here's what I have so far ... and some interesting reading:
NOAA Fisheries - National Marine Fisheries Service More when I find it 
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01-04-2007, 07:55 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
Posts: 558
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Contacts For NMFS
Here ya go fellers ... a whole bunch of contacts:
NOAA Fisheries Office of Constituent Services Office of Sustainable Fisheries Outreach & Education Trade & Commercial Recreational Fisheries MAFAC Charter Committee Membership Committee Structure Constituent Sessions Members Charter | Members | Subcommittee MARINE FISHERIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE Revised July 10, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chair: Vice Adm. Conrad C. Lautenbacher, Jr., Under Secretary for Oceans and Atmosphere Vice Chair: Dr. William T. Hogarth, Assistant Administrator for Fisheries -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom J. Billy President International Food Safety Consultants, LLC 4802 Chevy Chase Blvd. Chevy Chase, MD 20815 phone: 202-251-0218 fax: 301-951-8833 email: TomBilly@comcast.net 1st Term Expires 1/10/2008 John P. Connelly President National Fisheries Institute 7918 Jones Branch Drive McLean, Virginia 22102 phone: (703) 752-8881 fax: (703) 752-7583 e-mail: jconnelly@nfi.org 1st Term Expires: August 2, 2009 Bill Dewey Public Affairs Manager Taylor Shellfish Company, Inc. 130 SE Lynch Road Shelton, Washington 98584 home: (360) 426-6178 fax: (360) 427-0327 email: billd@taylorshellfish.com 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Captain Anthony D. DiLernia Director of the Office of Maritime Technology Kingsborough Community College Manhattan Beach, NY 11235 phone: 718-368-4558 fax: 718-368-4510 email: adilernia@kbcc.cuny.edu 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 James A. Donofrio Executive Director Recreational Fishing Alliance Leeds Point Shoppes 176-B South New York Rd Galloway, New Jersey 08205 phone: (609) 404-1060 fax: (609) 404-1968 email: jimdrfa@aol.com 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Mr. Chris Dorsett Gulf of Mexico Fish Conservation Director The Ocean Conservancy 44 East Ave. Suite 202 Austin, TX 78701 phone: 512-542-3331 fax: 512-542-3332 email: cdorsett@oceanconservancy.org 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Mr. Robert Fletcher President Sportfishing Association of California 1084 Bangor Street San Diego, California 92106 phone: 619-226-6455 fax: 619-226-0175 email: dart@sacemup.org 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Mr. John Forster Forster Consulting Inc. 533 East Park Avenue Port Angeles, Washington 98362 phone: 360-452-7917 fax: 212-500-0001 email: jforster@olypen.com 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Catherine L. Foy Aleutians East Borough Steller Sea Lion Project Manager 301 Research Court, Rm 210 Kodiak, AK 99615 phone: 907-486-1541 fax: email: catherinefoy@ak.net 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Mr. Jim L. Gilmore Director of Public Affairs At-Sea Processors Association 1735 New York Avenue, NW, Ste. 500 Washington, D.C. 20006 phone: 202-661-3975 fax: 202-661-3979 email: jgilmore@atsea.org 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Steve Joner Chief Biologist Makah Fisheries Management Makah Tribe 113 Shaffer Road Port Angeles, Washington 98363 phone: (360) 461-3249 fax: (360) 645-2323 email: gofish@olypen.com 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Mr. Rob Kramer President International Game Fish Association 300 Gulf Stream Way Dania Beach, Florida 33004 phone: 954-927-2628 fax: 954-924-4299 email: Rkramer@igfa.org 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Mr. Peter P. Leipzig Executive Director Fishermen's Marketing Association, Inc. 320 2nd Street, 2B Eureka, California 95501 phone: 707-442-3789 email: pete@trawl.org 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Dorothy M. Lowman Natural Resource Consultant 6507 SW Barnes Road Portland, Oregon 97225 phone: (503) 292-8553 fax: (503) 292-6326 email: dmlowman@earthlink.net 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Heather D. McCarty Heather McCarty and Associates 1537 Pine St. Juneau, Alaska 99801 phone: (907) 351-6794 fax: (907) 586-4261 email: rising@ptialaska.net 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Mary Beth Nickell-Tooley Executive Director East Coast Pelagic Association 415 Turnpike Drive Camden, Maine 04843 phone: (207) 763-4176 email: ecpa@adelphia.net 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Tom Raftican President United Anglers of Southern California 17391 Murphy Avenue, Suite A Irvine, California 92614 phone: (714) 840-0227 fax: (714) 840-3146 email: tom@unitedanglers.com 1st Term Expires 12/08/2008 Mr. Ralph Rayburn Associate Director Texas Sea-Grant College Program 2700 Earl Rudder Fwy. South, Suite 1800 College Station, Texas 77845 phone: 979-845-7526 fax: 979-845-7525 email: ralph-rayburn@tamu.edu 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Dr. Kenneth J. Roberts Associate Vice Chancellor-Retired Louisiana State University AgCenter 1647 Stoneliegh Drive Baton Rouge, LA 70808 phone: 225-769-0799 fax: email: kroberts@agcenter.lsu.edu 2nd Term Expires 10/14/2008 Eric C. Schwaab Resource Director Association of Fish & Wildlife Agencies 444 North Capitol St. NW, suite 725 Washington, DC 20001 phone: 202-624-7890 (work) fax: 202-624-7891 email: eschwaab@fishwildlife.org 1st Term Expires 1/10/2008 CONSULTANTS TO MAFAC Mr. Randy Fisher Executive Director Pacific States Marine Fisheries Commission 205 S.E. Spokane Street, Suite 100 Portland, Oregon 97202 phone: 503-595-3100 fax: 503-595-3232 email: randy_fisher@psmfc.org Capt. John V. O’Shea Executive Director Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission 1444 Eye Street, N.W. 6th Floor Washington, D.C. 20005 phone: 202-289-6400 fax: 202-289-6051 email: voshea@asmfc.org Mr. Larry Simpson Executive Director Gulf States Marine Fisheries Commission P.O. Box 726 (Federal Express: 2404 Government Street) Ocean Springs, MS 39564 phone: 228-875-5912 fax: 228-875-6604 email: lsimpson@gsmfc.org Designated Federal Officer: Ms. Laurel G. Bryant Executive Officer, MAFAC National Marine Fisheries Service 1315 East-West Highway, #9508 Silver Spring, MD 20910 phone: 301-713-2379 x171 fax: 301-713-2384 email: laurel.bryant@noaa.gov Recreational Fishing Team Forbes Darby Team Leader Recreational Fisheries Coordination Supervisor 301- 713-9504 x177 Fax: 301-713-2384 Southeast Michael Bailey Southeast Recreational Fisheries Coordinator Tel: 727-570-5474 Fax:727-570-5394 Last edited by Gaitor; 01-04-2007 at 08:17 AM.. Reason: Added Info |
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01-04-2007, 10:34 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
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Also ... in the above post .... Look who is on the Advisory Council :
James A. Donofrio Executive Director Recreational Fishing Alliance Leeds Point Shoppes 176-B South New York Rd Galloway, New Jersey 08205 phone: (609) 404-1060 fax: (609) 404-1968 email: jimdrfa@aol.com Perhaps he can shed some light on why the rec fishermen are getting hosed so badly? Or did he get bought out too? |
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01-04-2007, 10:43 AM
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Hooked Up
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL
Boat: 25 ft HydraSports
Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf
Occupation: Old Retired Fart
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And here is the Daddy Rabbit for the Department Of Commerce:
Mail inquiries to: Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez Office of the Secretary Mailstop 61 U.S. Department of Commerce 14th & Constitution Ave. NW Washington, DC 20230 Phone: 202-482-2000 Email: CGutierrez@doc.gov And Bill Hogarth's email: Email Address: bill.hogarth@noaa.gov Last edited by Gaitor; 01-04-2007 at 11:10 AM.. Reason: Added Info |
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01-04-2007, 03:23 PM
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Grander
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lake Worth fl
Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper
Occupation: Gunnel Washer
Posts: 2,061
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Damm Gaitor your good. Looks like I'll be up late typing tonight! Pat on the back for the sluething. Good Karma is headin your way!
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