grouper id

Belize · 11-06-2006, 07:39 AM

any idear what this little guy is? maybe immature misty? never seen the yellow like this before..tail eyes and mouth.

http://www.emerald.bz/baby grouper.jpg

DeepPR · 11-06-2006, 07:58 AM

Looks like a Yellow Edge to me..

islandshark633 · 11-06-2006, 07:59 AM

broom tail or black (juvenile) ?

Belize · 11-06-2006, 08:47 AM

i dont think it is a yellow edge as they have no barring or speckling. Must be a juvenile - will do some more research.

fish-n-dude · 11-06-2006, 04:53 PM

Cool looking fish. Yellow Edge / Misty :lol:

Let Us know if you find out...

kyle · 11-06-2006, 06:02 PM

How deep were you fishing :?:

I'd say its a little Scamp because of the dots and squares on its side. I've never seen one with the yellow on it

Boboe · 11-07-2006, 01:09 AM

No, no, no. That's not a yellow edge. That's not a misty. That's not a scamp, although it is very close to it. That is a YELLOWMOUTH GROUPER.

The scamp will look almost identical, although it will lack the block-type pattern on the back that that fish has. Also, a scamp will not have the yellow trailing edge of the tail. Yellowmouths will also have that yellow patch on the cheek. Their coloration is usually a bit darker than a scamp's, and their body is usually slightly fatter.

I have only caught a few yellowmouths. They were all in 250-330.

As far as table fare goes, scamps and yellowmouths are identical, and I put them at the very top of the list of all groupers.

Boboe · 11-07-2006, 01:15 AM

Furthermore, at this size, a scamp will have a smooth tail, with the top and bottom elongated slightly. As scamps get bigger, they grow more "tips" on their tails. They turn into a big ol broom. The Pacific Broomtail Grouper is like this at a younger age.

The fish in the photo has many lobes on the tail. That, the yellow portion of the tail, and the geometric pattern make this definitely a yellowmouth grouper.

Here's a shot of my clients with scamps to compare:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...e/DSC00027.jpg

Belize · 11-07-2006, 09:00 AM

yellow mouth it is...! snagged him in 450 ft

Boboe · 11-07-2006, 08:49 PM

A few other things regarding the various species mentioned above...

I haveunfortunately boated bug-eyed yellow edges that weren't but about 2 pounds. They looked identical to the grown ups. There isn't any difference in appearance, at least from that age on.

Broom tails don't live in the Atlantic, and Belize is on the -east- side of Mexico.

Black grouper will have the small orange dots on them and a much more pronounced block pattern on them. They will also lack the yellow markings.

kyle · 11-07-2006, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Broom tails don't live in the Atlantic

Whats a broom Tail a Scamp?

Boboe · 11-07-2006, 11:35 PM

No, a broom tail grouper is actually its own species. It lives in the Pacific. They catch them in Baja, and throughout Central America in the Pacific. They look like a cross between a scamp and a black grouper. They have long tips on their tail from the time they're young. Scamps get more tips as they get older and get the 'broom tail look,' yet they are definitely a different species of grouper.

Do a google image search for broomtail grouper and you'll see some.

kyle · 11-07-2006, 11:56 PM

Okay I got ya I definately see the difference

Boboe · 11-08-2006, 10:38 PM

Oh yeah...and a broomtail gets a WHOLE LOT bigger than a scamp

Capt Ed Frekey · 11-15-2006, 11:07 PM

It's a yellowmouth, nice catch! As far as the broomtail ?. They are also known as scamp. In most places in the SE....

Boboe · 11-16-2006, 11:08 PM

A broomtail grouper is a different species than a scamp. Broomtails are a Pacific fish ONLY. People will call a large scamp a 'broomtail,' because when they get big they get all those tips, but they are not the same fish. The true Broomtail Grouper gets up there around 100lbs. You'll never find a Scamp that even gets half that size.

11-06-2006, 07:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Belize Lines In Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ambergris Caye, Belize Boat: 30ft custom built Best Catch: dutchgirl, 34-25-34, 130 lbs Occupation: Broker Posts: 84	grouper id any idear what this little guy is? maybe immature misty? never seen the yellow like this before..tail eyes and mouth. http://www.emerald.bz/baby grouper.jpg

11-06-2006, 07:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
DeepPR Lines In Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 42	Looks like a Yellow Edge to me.. __________________ Deep Dropping in Puerto Rico

11-06-2006, 07:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
islandshark633 Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NC & Bahamas Boat: Sold Best Catch: 56# Misty, 100+# Pacific Sail Occupation: Custom Lures & Rods Posts: 682	broom tail or black (juvenile) ? __________________ Big Game Fishing Lures - The Eyes Have It

11-06-2006, 06:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
kyle Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: WPB Best Catch: 1209lbs Kings 1 day, 1900Lbs Mackeral 1 day, 87" sword Occupation: Commercial fishing, college Posts: 200	How deep were you fishing :?: I'd say its a little Scamp because of the dots and squares on its side. I've never seen one with the yellow on it __________________ Life sucks, and then you die

11-07-2006, 11:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
kyle Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: WPB Best Catch: 1209lbs Kings 1 day, 1900Lbs Mackeral 1 day, 87" sword Occupation: Commercial fishing, college Posts: 200	Okay I got ya I definately see the difference __________________ Life sucks, and then you die

11-06-2006, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Belize Lines In Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ambergris Caye, Belize Boat: 30ft custom built Best Catch: dutchgirl, 34-25-34, 130 lbs Occupation: Broker Posts: 84	i dont think it is a yellow edge as they have no barring or speckling. Must be a juvenile - will do some more research.

11-06-2006, 04:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
fish-n-dude Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 73	Cool looking fish. Yellow Edge / Misty :lol: Let Us know if you find out...

11-07-2006, 01:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	No, no, no. That's not a yellow edge. That's not a misty. That's not a scamp, although it is very close to it. That is a YELLOWMOUTH GROUPER. The scamp will look almost identical, although it will lack the block-type pattern on the back that that fish has. Also, a scamp will not have the yellow trailing edge of the tail. Yellowmouths will also have that yellow patch on the cheek. Their coloration is usually a bit darker than a scamp's, and their body is usually slightly fatter. I have only caught a few yellowmouths. They were all in 250-330. As far as table fare goes, scamps and yellowmouths are identical, and I put them at the very top of the list of all groupers.

11-07-2006, 01:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	Furthermore, at this size, a scamp will have a smooth tail, with the top and bottom elongated slightly. As scamps get bigger, they grow more "tips" on their tails. They turn into a big ol broom. The Pacific Broomtail Grouper is like this at a younger age. The fish in the photo has many lobes on the tail. That, the yellow portion of the tail, and the geometric pattern make this definitely a yellowmouth grouper. Here's a shot of my clients with scamps to compare: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...e/DSC00027.jpg

11-07-2006, 09:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Belize Lines In Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ambergris Caye, Belize Boat: 30ft custom built Best Catch: dutchgirl, 34-25-34, 130 lbs Occupation: Broker Posts: 84	yellow mouth it is...! snagged him in 450 ft

11-07-2006, 08:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	A few other things regarding the various species mentioned above... I haveunfortunately boated bug-eyed yellow edges that weren't but about 2 pounds. They looked identical to the grown ups. There isn't any difference in appearance, at least from that age on. Broom tails don't live in the Atlantic, and Belize is on the -east- side of Mexico. Black grouper will have the small orange dots on them and a much more pronounced block pattern on them. They will also lack the yellow markings.

11-07-2006, 11:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	No, a broom tail grouper is actually its own species. It lives in the Pacific. They catch them in Baja, and throughout Central America in the Pacific. They look like a cross between a scamp and a black grouper. They have long tips on their tail from the time they're young. Scamps get more tips as they get older and get the 'broom tail look,' yet they are definitely a different species of grouper. Do a google image search for broomtail grouper and you'll see some.

11-08-2006, 10:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	Oh yeah...and a broomtail gets a WHOLE LOT bigger than a scamp

11-15-2006, 11:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
Capt Ed Frekey Lines In Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lockport, LA Boat: 32' Twin Vee Best Catch: 358.4lb Warsaw Grouper Occupation: Charter Capt Posts: 19	It's a yellowmouth, nice catch! As far as the broomtail ?. They are also known as scamp. In most places in the SE....

11-16-2006, 11:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 805	A broomtail grouper is a different species than a scamp. Broomtails are a Pacific fish ONLY. People will call a large scamp a 'broomtail,' because when they get big they get all those tips, but they are not the same fish. The true Broomtail Grouper gets up there around 100lbs. You'll never find a Scamp that even gets half that size.

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