golden tilefish off miami - Page 2

Relentless33 · 10-18-2006, 08:55 PM

Nevermind, lol My mistake #-o ](*,) :high

snooter · 10-19-2006, 07:55 AM

i dont understand why you just dont go out to the liberty ship in 380 out front of the inlet and catch all the 3-5 lbs vermillions you want, might get lucky and catch a warsaw or a big black grouper...

miamiangler1 · 10-19-2006, 07:29 PM

I havnt been able to find it yet ... the gps cor..N 25-53-66..W80-03-97 are only two decibles... I need the third to get on top ... Derm Does not have numbers for it ... I hope they are right numbers ..I am also trying to find the 50 tons of concrete they dumped in 348 ft of water I am wondering if there is any thing there ...

Boboe · 10-19-2006, 09:47 PM

Use your sonar and crisscross the area. Finding a liberty ship should be very easy. They usually stand 15+ feet tall off of the bottom.

miamiangler1 · 10-19-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Boboe

Use your sonar and crisscross the area. Finding a liberty ship should be very easy. They usually stand 15+ feet tall off of the bottom.

thanks Boboe, I have tried to locate it , but there are diferent # `s for it ... so I am going to try the new ones from the chart .. If I get the correct ones it would be easier to find .. .. it is a big ocean ... I have a wreck in Key Biscayne which I found by accident .. which is not on any chart ... 100 ft vessal ..split in two and 10 + tall .. in 25 ft of water ... found it before GPS .. After we fished it .. I left the wreck ..thinking it would be easy to find again ... well it took me 6 months of going back and forth till I found it .. I did make notes once I was on top of it :!:

I have a question , since I am new to deepdropping .. when going for groupers or snappers .. do you leave the weight on the bottom ..or do you crank it up a few turns .. for tiles I just drag the weight ... thanks

miamiangler1 · 10-21-2006, 03:20 PM

Was out in the morning .. strong current with east wind ... did manage to hit bottom with a 32 oz weight .. had a large tile hit right away ... fish was 33in and weight 16lbs ... after a few more drops manage to get a 6 lb ..er current was just to strong :sad:after 6 more drops with nothing ...

Boboe · 10-23-2006, 08:51 PM

When I fish recreationally for "shallow water groupers" and by that I mean gags, reds, and scamps in <350', I fish a slip lead rig. That would be....egg sinker sliding on line, barrel swivel, 6' mono leader, snelled jap hook. Hook size and leader size will depend on bait size, which depends on fish species and size.

When fishing for "deep" groupers commercially, like snowies and yellow edge, you could do like the above, but usually it'd be 10 or 12 hooks all on twisted droppers about 1' long with jap hooks, and a big ass window weight at the bottom. Having snowies float your gear is awesome.

In the first rig, you will hear different arguments. Some say that a lead right on the bottom is best because it's not bouncing around scaring the fish. Others say that you're just asking to get your ass kicked by keeping your lead on the bottom and you should bring it up 10 cranks. The grouper will come up and get the bait. I've done well both ways, but you'll get broken off a lot less with the lead up off the bottom 10 cranks (which is about 10' on a high speed Penn 4/0 aka 113H). I say that it depends on how fired up the fish are. Often you'll have to start just about 2 cranks off the bottom (which is what I tell the clients on my charters), and once they get more active you can fish 10 or even higher off the bottom. This does require multiple rods so you can keep baits down there to keep them fired up.

On the second rig we'd bring the window weight just a couple feet off the bottom and wait for the bandit gear to double over. Once you get one on you bring it up a few feet so he doesn't get you in the bottom, and then wait for his buddies to load up. Then you flip the light switch, wait about a minute or so, and then start making money.

miamiangler1 · 10-23-2006, 09:31 PM

thank`s Boboe, that how I figured it ... I usually do two cranks and see how it goes .. I usually dont get hung up much ... on my weigth I use lighter line so not to lose the whole rig ... I use a 3 hook rig so far it has been working ... as for the liberty ship .. haven`t found it yet .. I am getting a better depht finder first ...it is in 380 ft of water and comes up 100+ so once I find it should be able to get some fish off of it ... not many people fish it from what I have heard from the commercial bait guy`s .. they have been a lot of help in me finding fish

just looking to get my first snowy and warsaw (manually) I like a challange :twisted:

Boboe · 10-23-2006, 10:20 PM

You want a manual warsaw? Throw your 4/0 overboard. Get a 9/0, 10/0, or 12/0. Put it on an unbending meat stick rod. Put your bait 30' off the bottom and use 200# main and 300# leader. Use the biggest damn jap hook you can find. Fish 5-10 lbs of bait. Crank your drag until you can't make it any tighter. Then beat it down some more. Wait. Wait some more. Don't be an idiot and even think you can fight him. Leave the rod in the holder and drive off. Don't firewall it because you'll break him off. Once you drive 100'-200' off and he's still on there, back the drag off some and fight him out of the rod holder. You want to have enough drag to just hold him, but so that he can take 10-50' of line when he needs to. He will blow up 40' or more from the boat. Back up to him and take photos. Sink a half dozen gaffs in his mouth and don't pop the bladder. You and a half dozen of your nearest and dearest haul him over the rail.

Beat the fish with a baseball bat for an hour to tenderize. Cook. Throw out the fish because a big warsaw isn't very good at all.

fish-n-dude · 10-24-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DIRTYFOOT2

Willy,
Congrats on the tiles. 3 hook dropper loop rig, or the infamous coathanger? Funny how that stinky bait produces sometimes. Nice weekend for hand cranking. Was only about a knot of current sunday. Did a few passes at my redeye hole in 260. Took home a limit of redeyes all nice fatties 3-4 lbs, and a 31" African pomp. Beautiful day on the water!

Later,
Butch

Would you mind elaborating on the "Infamous Coathanger" setup?

miamiangler1 · 10-25-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fish-n-dude

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIRTYFOOT2

Willy,
Congrats on the tiles. 3 hook dropper loop rig, or the infamous coathanger? Funny how that stinky bait produces sometimes. Nice weekend for hand cranking. Was only about a knot of current sunday. Did a few passes at my redeye hole in 260. Took home a limit of redeyes all nice fatties 3-4 lbs, and a 31" African pomp. Beautiful day on the water!

Later,
Butch

Would you mind elaborating on the "Infamous Coathanger" setup?

Hi Fish-in-dude, well It was told to me by the guy`s in Capt Harry`s .. but it is not that easy to use ... Rather use a 3 hook rig... I make my own ... I like useing Owner wide circle hooks 5/0 work for me ... I put a glow bead on each hook ... since it is dark ...I think it helps the fish see where the squid is ... thats my choice for bait ... bigger bait .. so far produced bigger fish...make sure your first hook is very close to the weight ... see pic in the beginning ...it seems they dont like going that far off the bottom ... my top hook is about 18inches off the bottom and gets hit rarely... ! important thing ... is to mark on your GPS.. all of your bites ... and the ones you catch...... H... for bites and use X for fish I catch ...and if it is a large fish ..EX (#25) that`s how I mark and find my spots ... so in a day you may have 10 or more # on your GPS .. I plot mine when I get home on a chart ... then you get a general Idea of the area you fish....so far it has worked great for me ... hope this helps you find some tile s your way ...Willi

miamiangler1 · 10-25-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boboe

You want a manual warsaw? Throw your 4/0 overboard. Get a 9/0, 10/0, or 12/0. Put it on an unbending meat stick rod. Put your bait 30' off the bottom and use 200# main and 300# leader. Use the biggest damn jap hook you can find. Fish 5-10 lbs of bait. Crank your drag until you can't make it any tighter. Then beat it down some more. Wait. Wait some more. Don't be an idiot and even think you can fight him. Leave the rod in the holder and drive off. Don't firewall it because you'll break him off. Once you drive 100'-200' off and he's still on there, back the drag off some and fight him out of the rod holder. You want to have enough drag to just hold him, but so that he can take 10-50' of line when he needs to. He will blow up 40' or more from the boat. Back up to him and take photos. Sink a half dozen gaffs in his mouth and don't pop the bladder. You and a half dozen of your nearest and dearest haul him over the rail.

Hi Boboe,, Liked your comments :lol: I would like to get one ... but I mean a small one ...if there is such a thing ... I do have heavier sticks ...but I think even a small one would drag my boat around :razz: I rather leave the breeder fish alone ... just one about 20lbs would make me happy...

Beat the fish with a baseball bat for an hour to tenderize. Cook. Throw out the fish because a big warsaw isn't very good at all.

fish-n-dude · 10-25-2006, 07:36 PM

Thanks miamiangler1,

I've been able to find a few around our area. Mostly small ones 3# - 5#. Have caught a couple in the mid teens. Just curious about the coathanger thing because like you said them fish will not come up off the bottom. I've been using two weights, one on the main line and one on the end of the rig. That seems to help, but even that doesn't seem to work when the current is really cranking.

kyle · 10-25-2006, 07:49 PM

This is were I get all my (commercial tackle from)

Here is a link that shows an L-bar. I use the heavy duty for catching AJ's
It allows me to drop the bait(live) alot faster.

The medium or light will suit your needs just fine.

http://www.snlcorp.com/Webpages/bottomfishing.htm

miamiangler1 · 10-25-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fish-n-dude

Thanks miamiangler1,

I've been able to find a few around our area. Mostly small ones 3# - 5#. Have caught a couple in the mid teens. Just curious about the coathanger thing because like you said them fish will not come up off the bottom. I've been using two weights, one on the main line and one on the end of the rig. That seems to help, but even that doesn't seem to work when the current is really cranking.

Well I have been useing 32oz to stay on the bottom ... this weekend was a litttle difficult with the wind from the East ... current and waves .. I like it when it is flat calm .. but that is not always possible ....since I have a small boat my drift rate is not too bad ... but I am usually backing into the current ... watching my line so it is strait behind my boat and no tension on the rod tip ... that way I know I am on the bottom in the mud ... its like live bait trolling in bumping in gear and out ...in reverse...I just use One weight on the bottom ... also I use 50lbs power-pro...the smaller diameter line the lighter the weight ...

fish-n-dude · 10-26-2006, 09:03 AM

Thanks for the info. I'll have to give on of them L-Bars a try.

Boboe · 10-26-2006, 11:33 PM

Miamiangler1 - If you catch a 20 lb warsaw, I hope you catch him in shallow water. They often do come into shallow water when young. We used to have a private wreck that had one about 10-15 lbs on it in 70' of water. We released him 3x in the summer of 2004. Killing a warsaw of that size is pretty damn unethical unless he's blown up badly. He's just a baby.

miamiangler1 · 10-27-2006, 06:29 AM

I know I have a lot of wrecks here in miami .. with in 10mile run there are at least 30 I have in my GPS most are shallow 65- to 200ft and not fished that much ... so I might do some wreck hopping this weekend ... if the seas are not too bad ...or try for a day -time sword ... thight lines ..

Boboe · 10-27-2006, 09:07 PM

In 150+, that little WarPup is pretty much ****ed.

miamiangler1 · 10-27-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boboe

In 150+, that little WarPup is pretty much ****ed.

Well it looks like my Sat is a wash ... :sad: storms and seas 4-8ft ..well that my be true for the warsaw .. but I probably have a better chance on winning the lottery then catching one anyway ... finally got my new depth finder .. so I will be installing it tomorrow and hit the nine mile humps next weekend..got my new sword charts :twisted: since we only can catch one tile now ... going to try for some rosies and barrelfish and what ever else is out there in deeper waters ..just filled my 6/0 with 500yards of power-pro.. hope that is enough :?:

10-18-2006, 08:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Relentless33 Grander Join Date: Apr 2006 Best Catch: 81" sword Posts: 2,920	Nevermind, lol My mistake #-o ](*,) :high

10-19-2006, 07:55 AM	#22 (permalink)
snooter Lines In Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: new jersey Occupation: network administrator Posts: 27	i dont understand why you just dont go out to the liberty ship in 380 out front of the inlet and catch all the 3-5 lbs vermillions you want, might get lucky and catch a warsaw or a big black grouper...

10-19-2006, 07:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,511	I havnt been able to find it yet ... the gps cor..N 25-53-66..W80-03-97 are only two decibles... I need the third to get on top ... Derm Does not have numbers for it ... I hope they are right numbers ..I am also trying to find the 50 tons of concrete they dumped in 348 ft of water I am wondering if there is any thing there ...

10-19-2006, 09:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	Use your sonar and crisscross the area. Finding a liberty ship should be very easy. They usually stand 15+ feet tall off of the bottom.

10-21-2006, 03:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,511	Was out in the morning .. strong current with east wind ... did manage to hit bottom with a 32 oz weight .. had a large tile hit right away ... fish was 33in and weight 16lbs ... after a few more drops manage to get a 6 lb ..er current was just to strong :sad:after 6 more drops with nothing ...

10-23-2006, 08:51 PM	#27 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	When I fish recreationally for "shallow water groupers" and by that I mean gags, reds, and scamps in <350', I fish a slip lead rig. That would be....egg sinker sliding on line, barrel swivel, 6' mono leader, snelled jap hook. Hook size and leader size will depend on bait size, which depends on fish species and size. When fishing for "deep" groupers commercially, like snowies and yellow edge, you could do like the above, but usually it'd be 10 or 12 hooks all on twisted droppers about 1' long with jap hooks, and a big ass window weight at the bottom. Having snowies float your gear is awesome. In the first rig, you will hear different arguments. Some say that a lead right on the bottom is best because it's not bouncing around scaring the fish. Others say that you're just asking to get your ass kicked by keeping your lead on the bottom and you should bring it up 10 cranks. The grouper will come up and get the bait. I've done well both ways, but you'll get broken off a lot less with the lead up off the bottom 10 cranks (which is about 10' on a high speed Penn 4/0 aka 113H). I say that it depends on how fired up the fish are. Often you'll have to start just about 2 cranks off the bottom (which is what I tell the clients on my charters), and once they get more active you can fish 10 or even higher off the bottom. This does require multiple rods so you can keep baits down there to keep them fired up. On the second rig we'd bring the window weight just a couple feet off the bottom and wait for the bandit gear to double over. Once you get one on you bring it up a few feet so he doesn't get you in the bottom, and then wait for his buddies to load up. Then you flip the light switch, wait about a minute or so, and then start making money.

10-23-2006, 09:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,511	thank`s Boboe, that how I figured it ... I usually do two cranks and see how it goes .. I usually dont get hung up much ... on my weigth I use lighter line so not to lose the whole rig ... I use a 3 hook rig so far it has been working ... as for the liberty ship .. haven`t found it yet .. I am getting a better depht finder first ...it is in 380 ft of water and comes up 100+ so once I find it should be able to get some fish off of it ... not many people fish it from what I have heard from the commercial bait guy`s .. they have been a lot of help in me finding fish just looking to get my first snowy and warsaw (manually) I like a challange :twisted:

10-23-2006, 10:20 PM	#29 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	You want a manual warsaw? Throw your 4/0 overboard. Get a 9/0, 10/0, or 12/0. Put it on an unbending meat stick rod. Put your bait 30' off the bottom and use 200# main and 300# leader. Use the biggest damn jap hook you can find. Fish 5-10 lbs of bait. Crank your drag until you can't make it any tighter. Then beat it down some more. Wait. Wait some more. Don't be an idiot and even think you can fight him. Leave the rod in the holder and drive off. Don't firewall it because you'll break him off. Once you drive 100'-200' off and he's still on there, back the drag off some and fight him out of the rod holder. You want to have enough drag to just hold him, but so that he can take 10-50' of line when he needs to. He will blow up 40' or more from the boat. Back up to him and take photos. Sink a half dozen gaffs in his mouth and don't pop the bladder. You and a half dozen of your nearest and dearest haul him over the rail. Beat the fish with a baseball bat for an hour to tenderize. Cook. Throw out the fish because a big warsaw isn't very good at all.

10-25-2006, 07:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
fish-n-dude Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 73	Thanks miamiangler1, I've been able to find a few around our area. Mostly small ones 3# - 5#. Have caught a couple in the mid teens. Just curious about the coathanger thing because like you said them fish will not come up off the bottom. I've been using two weights, one on the main line and one on the end of the rig. That seems to help, but even that doesn't seem to work when the current is really cranking.

10-25-2006, 07:49 PM	#34 (permalink)
kyle Hooked Up Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: WPB Best Catch: 1209lbs Kings 1 day, 1900Lbs Mackeral 1 day,70" sword Occupation: Commercial fishing, college Posts: 196	This is were I get all my (commercial tackle from) Here is a link that shows an L-bar. I use the heavy duty for catching AJ's It allows me to drop the bait(live) alot faster. The medium or light will suit your needs just fine. http://www.snlcorp.com/Webpages/bottomfishing.htm

10-26-2006, 09:03 AM	#36 (permalink)
fish-n-dude Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 73	Thanks for the info. I'll have to give on of them L-Bars a try.

10-26-2006, 11:33 PM	#37 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	Miamiangler1 - If you catch a 20 lb warsaw, I hope you catch him in shallow water. They often do come into shallow water when young. We used to have a private wreck that had one about 10-15 lbs on it in 70' of water. We released him 3x in the summer of 2004. Killing a warsaw of that size is pretty damn unethical unless he's blown up badly. He's just a baby.

10-27-2006, 06:29 AM	#38 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,511	I know I have a lot of wrecks here in miami .. with in 10mile run there are at least 30 I have in my GPS most are shallow 65- to 200ft and not fished that much ... so I might do some wreck hopping this weekend ... if the seas are not too bad ...or try for a day -time sword ... thight lines ..

10-27-2006, 09:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	In 150+, that little WarPup is pretty much ****ed.