9-30 Ft Pierce tile trip

poolman · 10-01-2006, 10:07 PM

Had a good day out in the 3-5' soup.Didn't think the others on the boat were up for it, until the first 20+ slob came in the boat. Funny how biting fish cures potential offshore jitters.And being this is only my second time trying this,I suppose putting a bunch in the boat wasn't too bad.Sincerely, the credit goes to you guys out there in puter land who share tips and stories.It really helps.We had 4 tiles that the tails hung over a 120qt cooler along with a dozen others.Which couldn't have worked out better,because I had a big cookout at my place today.Not a single dog on the grill :razz:. And to top it all off...4 Mahi joined in for the fun.

Gaitor · 10-02-2006, 06:08 AM

Congrats Poolman! I've not been out since last week and now have to wait for the wind to die down. My time's a comin' though

Renegade · 10-02-2006, 12:33 PM

POOLMAN,
GREAT JOB ON THE TILES. I AM NEW TO POSTING ON THIS SITE, BUT HAVE BEEN READING IT FOR A WHILE. THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD INFO. HERE. I FISH OUT OF N. PALM BCH. AND MOSTLY DO MY DROPPING IN THE BAHAMAS. HOWEVER ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO I FISHED WITH A GUY WHO DEEPED DROPPED FOR A LIVING OFF OUR COAST. SINCE I DID NOT HAVE A BOAT AT THE TIME HE WOULD TAKE ME OUT WITH HIM ON MY DAYS OFF WORK. WE WOULD CRUSH THE TILES AND GROUPERS OUT FRONT OFF JUPITER AND JUNO BCH. I HAVE NOT DEEP DROPPED OFF OUR COAST IN ABOUT 8 YEARS.

poolman · 10-02-2006, 11:31 PM

THANKS GUYS. Gaitor,hope the pm helps.Like the others say,"you just gotta get out there and try it".Renegade,I remember my uncle used to fish tiles years back"20+" and man that guy would always come with sea monsters in the box.I'm still not giving up on the silks and queens,in fact I found a nice rockpile that I'm going back to when the seas settle down.

miamiangler1 · 10-03-2006, 07:48 PM

nice catch poolman.... just like to know what depth .. you caught the tiles at ... did you use strobes on your rig and what weight do you use to get down to that depth ... I drop manually .. I only have 16ft open fisherman .. so elec. is not an option at this time ... :cry: still trying to find them here in Miami...

Miamiangler1@aol.com

poolman · 10-03-2006, 10:55 PM

Okay,here goes...these guys run in 600 to 650,just have to have a muddy bottom. I'm not too proficient on the light setups,so I can't advise you on this,"sorry".If you are fishing manual only may I suggest deep jigging with a 16oz glow feather tipped with squid..and 2 bowls of wheaties before you head out

Lucky for you deep water is close in mi-mammy.I run 25 miles for these fish.Try to get a day with a light north wind,maybe this will help.The weights I use vary from3 to 8lb depending on current.Hope this helps you out there...good luck

miamiangler1 · 10-03-2006, 11:06 PM

Thanks poolman,,, I didnt know you had to go that far offshore ... here it is not to far off ... just about 5 miles out ...I usually try two or three dropps at a time ... I did sunday but the weather got to bad ... I am in a 16 ft openfisherman .. so for now electric does not work and I am usually fishing my self ... which makes it more difficult ... I use 24 oz but thinking of going a little more to 5 oz... I use two stobes with my rig ...Green .. not sure if it helps ... :?:

Boboe · 10-04-2006, 07:55 PM

I wouldn't drop down to 600 with less than 5# of lead myself. That's a long long way down there and I don't want to have to set up a mile ahead of my spot to get my bait down on time if there's any current. Also, you should fish braid, not mono. You can actually see the critters bite with braid.

poolman · 10-04-2006, 10:05 PM

:salut: I'm agreein' with ya

miamiangler1 · 10-04-2006, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boboe

I wouldn't drop down to 600 with less than 5# of lead myself. That's a long long way down there and I don't want to have to set up a mile ahead of my spot to get my bait down on time if there's any current. Also, you should fish braid, not mono. You can actually see the critters bite with braid.

I like useing powerpro line .. 50lb so far I have been using 1lb and 2 lb weights ..dropping down to 550-600... with no problem ... it is just finding the right spots for tiles !!! ... I am thinking of changing to a more powerful depth finder and hope that will help... current has not been a problem yet ... I just let it go in free spool with clicker on .. til it hits bottom ... and just keep the boat going forward to keep the line strait ...getting good size groupers and also some I could not stop!

poolman · 10-04-2006, 10:48 PM

If the weight sinks into the bottom your in the area.You'll know this because with 50lb line you may think it will break before it pops up. Remember...tiles live in the mud...squishy,gooey,mud.

Boboe · 10-04-2006, 11:35 PM

With 50# line there are a lot of groupers that will whoop you. I never grouper fished in SHALLOW water (<200') with less than 80#--unless they were just being super spooky and line shy. Grouper will bite and go straight for a hole (except for Warsaws, regardless of size. They won't take you into the bottom). You've got to kick a grouper's ass in the first 5 seconds or you're toast. 50# doesn't give you nearly enough "ass" to do that. I fish 50# for red snappers when they were fished heavily and a bit line shy. All of that isn't to say it can't be done, but that you'll be getting your ass handed to you a lot by groupers when fishing 50. When I fish for big grouper, I fish 100# mainline (minimum) and buck and a quarter leader--or bigger. It depends on the bottom structure as to how heavy I'll end up going.

miamiangler1 · 10-05-2006, 11:32 AM

[quote="poolman"]If the weight sinks into the bottom your in the area.You'll know this because with 50lb line you may think it will break before it pops up. Remember...tiles live in the mud...squishy,gooey,mud.[/quot

Hi Poolman ... I like to know what kind of rig do you use ? I have been using a snapper rig .... I think my baits are to far off the bottom ... I was in Captain Harry`s .. and the guy there told me to make a coat hanger rig .. that way all of the baits stay close to the bottom ... just wondering if this is what you are using

also , i dont know if you trailer your boat , but I know they get Queen snappers down in the keys .. off the Islamorada humps .. not too far off shore ... I heard deep dropping is much better there... hope that helps you..

poolman · 10-05-2006, 10:25 PM

I agree with boboe on the groupers,"big line for big fish". About a month ago I was deep jigging in about 200,and had a major wrestling match with a bunch of gags.I managed to boat 2,one 29 and the other 34.But I lost a couple more real bruisers,then they shut right off. I use power pro 100 for everything deep. As far as rigs for tile, I make my own.I've never seen a coathanger rig,but I imagine you have a main line down then it "Y's" out to the hooks. Doesn't sound like a bad setup to me. It seems like they only hit the lower hooks anyway. Now on the trailer fun :shock: .I do have a trailer...BUUUTTTT...my boat is a 30ft power cat,and measures 14'3" to the top of the radar on the trailer,so I have a heck of a time getting under wires.Making a long story short...I moored the beast.But now I'm reading this with the wife over shoulder..."We" are now considering making a keys Christmas trek. Ah what the hell...needed a little getaway anyway.

miamiangler1 · 10-06-2006, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poolman

I agree with boboe on the groupers,"big line for big fish". About a month ago I was deep jigging in about 200,and had a major wrestling match with a bunch of gags.I managed to boat 2,one 29 and the other 34.But I lost a couple more real bruisers,then they shut right off. I use power pro 100 for everything deep. As far as rigs for tile, I make my own.I've never seen a coathanger rig,but I imagine you have a main line down then it "Y's" out to the hooks. Doesn't sound like a bad setup to me. It seems like they only hit the lower hooks anyway. Now on the trailer fun :shock: .I do have a trailer...BUUUTTTT...my boat is a 30ft power cat,and measures 14'3" to the top of the radar on the trailer,so I have a heck of a time getting under wires.Making a long story short...I moored the beast.But now I'm reading this with the wife over shoulder..."We" are now considering making a keys Christmas trek. Ah what the hell...needed a little getaway anyway.

Hi Poolman,

well this is how it was told to me , he made a diagram ... so I have not tried it yet ... I am waiting for it to calm down ... with the wind blowing at 15 mph... well I guess you can make it out of any strong rod ... you make an L: shape with loops on all three sides ... loop A goes to your main line ...loop B is where you attach your weight ... now with loop C which is the longest you put your leader through it and attach the leader to the snap swivel on loop A ... you can make the leader as long as you like and add as many hooks as you want ... the reason for this rig One all the baits are on the bottom and Two... on the way down to the bottom ... the hooks wont tangle with your line because it is a foot or two away from your main line ....I some times have that problem when I put a live bait on and drop it to fast to the bottom and some times it tangles my line ... it might work for fishing my wrecks .. I ll have to try it ...

as for going to the Keys .. Islandmora has some great humps only 10miles out .. I am not sure about ramps there .. put I like to stay at Holiday Isle ... if you go to Key West..there is some great fishing west ... and there is... the west , middle , and east crack.. which is south of keywest about 13.5 nm 181 degrees (for the middle crack ) it might be good for deep dropping .. its a place where they usually catch blue marlin ... hope this helps ... I, m going to try Flamingo this weekend .. well tight lines ... Willi

DIRTYFOOT2 · 10-06-2006, 11:40 AM

Willy,

I too deep drop manually on a regular basis. My Grouper jig rod is an 80lb cape fear with a 30 toruim with a custom retrofit drag. ( kept burning the original drag up ). 100 lb spectra with about 50 yd topshot of 80 lb flouro. I have and do fish heavier rigs depending on where I'm at and how much pressure the area gets. On our coast most fish get pretty heavy pressure, thats why the 80 Flouro. Of course I still get broke off too but I feel its a trade off for a much more productive bite. That coathanger rig sounds interesting although kind of a pain. Dropper loop rigs are a great way to catch fish deep, rarely tangle and catcha wide variety of species. Boboe has a really valid point when chasing the big boys. For example when I'm in the tortugas I grouper fish with an old 6/0 with 200 lb spectra and as heavy as 200 lb leader depending on the bite. the cover is so heavy down there fishing light just doesn,t get it done. Good luck man.
DIRTYFOOT2 :twisted:

poolman · 10-06-2006, 09:35 PM

The coathanger rig sounds interesting,I know I'll have to slow my descent,but I'll make a couple this weekend and try it soon.My manual deep jig outfit is a 456 newell with a star 35H and 100lb power pro,and I agree will use anywhere from 80jinkai to 125, depending on the fish-it-tude.Have you tried a knocker rig for live baiting?

miamiangler1 · 10-08-2006, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poolman

The coathanger rig sounds interesting,I know I'll have to slow my descent,but I'll make a couple this weekend and try it soon.My manual deep jig outfit is a 456 newell with a star 35H and 100lb power pro,and I agree will use anywhere from 80jinkai to 125, depending on the fish-it-tude.Have you tried a knocker rig for live baiting?

Hi poolman , I dont really use a knocker rig... I usually drift my live baits ... I use a 3 way swivel... and a leader 14 ft long .. so it can swim around for a few sec . till it gets eaten...hope you did good this weekend fishing ... finally got my first tile

poolman · 10-09-2006, 09:49 PM

Alright Willi! I knew you'd get one eventually.Must have been a battle manually. I almost gave that deep jig idea a shot on Sunday, I suppose just to see if I could still do it. Think the next trip I'm gonna do it. Anyway, went out on Sunday and boated 15, with 2 Mahi.Had some on that we just couldn't move, which eventually pulled the hooks. But hey that's fishin'. I tried that coathanger rig and didn't have too much luck. First time down resulted in a ball o' line. Second time;with a slow descent didn't fair too well either. So I gave that up. Gonna do some rig tweeking and see how it goes. Kudos on your first tile hb

miamiangler1 · 10-09-2006, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poolman

Alright Willi! I knew you'd get one eventually.Must have been a battle manually. I almost gave that deep jig idea a shot on Sunday, I suppose just to see if I could still do it. Think the next trip I'm gonna do it. Anyway, went out on Sunday and boated 15, with 2 Mahi.Had some on that we just couldn't move, which eventually pulled the hooks. But hey that's fishin'. I tried that coathanger rig and didn't have too much luck. First time down resulted in a ball o' line. Second time;with a slow descent didn't fair too well either. So I gave that up. Gonna do some rig tweeking and see how it goes. Kudos on your first tile hb

Hi Poolman,

Thanks ... I know the rig sounds good but is a pain to use ... I am back to using a three hook rig ... made a few yesterday .. I set the hooks closer together so they are near the bottom ... Finally found my honey hole with the #`s I got on Sunday... boated 7 of those slimy :lol: buggers one on every drop... it is not so bad to do manually ... better then fighting 7 reef donkeys in one day :lol:

10-01-2006, 10:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	9-30 Ft Pierce tile trip Had a good day out in the 3-5' soup.Didn't think the others on the boat were up for it, until the first 20+ slob came in the boat. Funny how biting fish cures potential offshore jitters.And being this is only my second time trying this,I suppose putting a bunch in the boat wasn't too bad.Sincerely, the credit goes to you guys out there in puter land who share tips and stories.It really helps.We had 4 tiles that the tails hung over a 120qt cooler along with a dozen others.Which couldn't have worked out better,because I had a big cookout at my place today.Not a single dog on the grill :razz:. And to top it all off...4 Mahi joined in for the fun.

10-06-2006, 11:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
DIRTYFOOT2 Grander Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lake Worth fl Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper Occupation: Gunnel Washer Posts: 2,078	Grouper Willy, I too deep drop manually on a regular basis. My Grouper jig rod is an 80lb cape fear with a 30 toruim with a custom retrofit drag. ( kept burning the original drag up ). 100 lb spectra with about 50 yd topshot of 80 lb flouro. I have and do fish heavier rigs depending on where I'm at and how much pressure the area gets. On our coast most fish get pretty heavy pressure, thats why the 80 Flouro. Of course I still get broke off too but I feel its a trade off for a much more productive bite. That coathanger rig sounds interesting although kind of a pain. Dropper loop rigs are a great way to catch fish deep, rarely tangle and catcha wide variety of species. Boboe has a really valid point when chasing the big boys. For example when I'm in the tortugas I grouper fish with an old 6/0 with 200 lb spectra and as heavy as 200 lb leader depending on the bite. the cover is so heavy down there fishing light just doesn,t get it done. Good luck man. DIRTYFOOT2 :twisted:

10-02-2006, 06:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Gaitor Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL Boat: 25 ft HydraSports Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf Occupation: Old Retired Fart Posts: 558	Congrats Poolman! I've not been out since last week and now have to wait for the wind to die down. My time's a comin' though

10-02-2006, 12:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Renegade Lines In Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 24	POOLMAN, GREAT JOB ON THE TILES. I AM NEW TO POSTING ON THIS SITE, BUT HAVE BEEN READING IT FOR A WHILE. THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD INFO. HERE. I FISH OUT OF N. PALM BCH. AND MOSTLY DO MY DROPPING IN THE BAHAMAS. HOWEVER ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO I FISHED WITH A GUY WHO DEEPED DROPPED FOR A LIVING OFF OUR COAST. SINCE I DID NOT HAVE A BOAT AT THE TIME HE WOULD TAKE ME OUT WITH HIM ON MY DAYS OFF WORK. WE WOULD CRUSH THE TILES AND GROUPERS OUT FRONT OFF JUPITER AND JUNO BCH. I HAVE NOT DEEP DROPPED OFF OUR COAST IN ABOUT 8 YEARS.

10-02-2006, 11:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	THANKS GUYS. Gaitor,hope the pm helps.Like the others say,"you just gotta get out there and try it".Renegade,I remember my uncle used to fish tiles years back"20+" and man that guy would always come with sea monsters in the box.I'm still not giving up on the silks and queens,in fact I found a nice rockpile that I'm going back to when the seas settle down.

10-03-2006, 07:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,553	nice catch poolman.... just like to know what depth .. you caught the tiles at ... did you use strobes on your rig and what weight do you use to get down to that depth ... I drop manually .. I only have 16ft open fisherman .. so elec. is not an option at this time ... :cry: still trying to find them here in Miami... Miamiangler1@aol.com

10-03-2006, 10:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	Okay,here goes...these guys run in 600 to 650,just have to have a muddy bottom. I'm not too proficient on the light setups,so I can't advise you on this,"sorry".If you are fishing manual only may I suggest deep jigging with a 16oz glow feather tipped with squid..and 2 bowls of wheaties before you head out Lucky for you deep water is close in mi-mammy.I run 25 miles for these fish.Try to get a day with a light north wind,maybe this will help.The weights I use vary from3 to 8lb depending on current.Hope this helps you out there...good luck

10-03-2006, 11:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,553	Thanks poolman,,, I didnt know you had to go that far offshore ... here it is not to far off ... just about 5 miles out ...I usually try two or three dropps at a time ... I did sunday but the weather got to bad ... I am in a 16 ft openfisherman .. so for now electric does not work and I am usually fishing my self ... which makes it more difficult ... I use 24 oz but thinking of going a little more to 5 oz... I use two stobes with my rig ...Green .. not sure if it helps ... :?:

10-04-2006, 07:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 750	I wouldn't drop down to 600 with less than 5# of lead myself. That's a long long way down there and I don't want to have to set up a mile ahead of my spot to get my bait down on time if there's any current. Also, you should fish braid, not mono. You can actually see the critters bite with braid.

10-04-2006, 10:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	:salut: I'm agreein' with ya

10-04-2006, 10:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	If the weight sinks into the bottom your in the area.You'll know this because with 50lb line you may think it will break before it pops up. Remember...tiles live in the mud...squishy,gooey,mud.

10-04-2006, 11:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 750	With 50# line there are a lot of groupers that will whoop you. I never grouper fished in SHALLOW water (<200') with less than 80#--unless they were just being super spooky and line shy. Grouper will bite and go straight for a hole (except for Warsaws, regardless of size. They won't take you into the bottom). You've got to kick a grouper's ass in the first 5 seconds or you're toast. 50# doesn't give you nearly enough "ass" to do that. I fish 50# for red snappers when they were fished heavily and a bit line shy. All of that isn't to say it can't be done, but that you'll be getting your ass handed to you a lot by groupers when fishing 50. When I fish for big grouper, I fish 100# mainline (minimum) and buck and a quarter leader--or bigger. It depends on the bottom structure as to how heavy I'll end up going.

10-05-2006, 11:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,553	[quote="poolman"]If the weight sinks into the bottom your in the area.You'll know this because with 50lb line you may think it will break before it pops up. Remember...tiles live in the mud...squishy,gooey,mud.[/quot Hi Poolman ... I like to know what kind of rig do you use ? I have been using a snapper rig .... I think my baits are to far off the bottom ... I was in Captain Harry`s .. and the guy there told me to make a coat hanger rig .. that way all of the baits stay close to the bottom ... just wondering if this is what you are using also , i dont know if you trailer your boat , but I know they get Queen snappers down in the keys .. off the Islamorada humps .. not too far off shore ... I heard deep dropping is much better there... hope that helps you..

10-05-2006, 10:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	I agree with boboe on the groupers,"big line for big fish". About a month ago I was deep jigging in about 200,and had a major wrestling match with a bunch of gags.I managed to boat 2,one 29 and the other 34.But I lost a couple more real bruisers,then they shut right off. I use power pro 100 for everything deep. As far as rigs for tile, I make my own.I've never seen a coathanger rig,but I imagine you have a main line down then it "Y's" out to the hooks. Doesn't sound like a bad setup to me. It seems like they only hit the lower hooks anyway. Now on the trailer fun :shock: .I do have a trailer...BUUUTTTT...my boat is a 30ft power cat,and measures 14'3" to the top of the radar on the trailer,so I have a heck of a time getting under wires.Making a long story short...I moored the beast.But now I'm reading this with the wife over shoulder..."We" are now considering making a keys Christmas trek. Ah what the hell...needed a little getaway anyway.

10-06-2006, 09:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	The coathanger rig sounds interesting,I know I'll have to slow my descent,but I'll make a couple this weekend and try it soon.My manual deep jig outfit is a 456 newell with a star 35H and 100lb power pro,and I agree will use anywhere from 80jinkai to 125, depending on the fish-it-tude.Have you tried a knocker rig for live baiting?

10-09-2006, 09:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
poolman Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ft. Pierce Fl Boat: 296 King Cat Best Catch: 72 lb Warsaw 400 ft willie style Occupation: Swimming pool remodeling Posts: 102	Alright Willi! I knew you'd get one eventually.Must have been a battle manually. I almost gave that deep jig idea a shot on Sunday, I suppose just to see if I could still do it. Think the next trip I'm gonna do it. Anyway, went out on Sunday and boated 15, with 2 Mahi.Had some on that we just couldn't move, which eventually pulled the hooks. But hey that's fishin'. I tried that coathanger rig and didn't have too much luck. First time down resulted in a ball o' line. Second time;with a slow descent didn't fair too well either. So I gave that up. Gonna do some rig tweeking and see how it goes. Kudos on your first tile hb