Bahamian Trevally

DIRTYFOOT2 · 04-14-2008, 05:05 PM

anybody know WTF this one is

[ATTACH]BMC4-13-08 004.jpg[/ATTACH]It has an interesting serrated feature near his tail. Almost like a blue runner but much pointier and sharper

. There is a better shot @ the bottom of the post.

and just for fun name the three types of snapper in this shot:BMC4-13-08 015.jpg I heard so many different names for this group of similiar looking snappers

. Just looking for a consensus of identification.All fish were caught right out front of BMC from 600-1,000' of water.

DF2

miamiangler1 · 04-14-2008, 05:12 PM

Hey Butch ,,, silky , blackfin-button,yelloweye .. red grouper ... had fun at BMC... looks like you had a great catch,,,Butch if it is a new species you get to name it

DIRTYFOOT2 · 04-14-2008, 05:22 PM

Dirtyfoot Jack it is

How was your crossing Willy? Conditions weren't near as bad as we thought they were going to be

mlutz95 · 04-14-2008, 05:22 PM

think its a black jack, but you oughta send it in to Sport Fishing mag and ask the guy about it.

Disco Lady · 04-14-2008, 05:25 PM

Its a Dirtyfoot trevalley COÑO!!!!!!

I've caught em off the reef there before.

cantdance · 04-14-2008, 06:44 PM

It's a black jack or as the locals call it a dead jack cause that what you'll be if you eat one. they say sharks won't touch them

billspilingup · 04-14-2008, 06:45 PM

black jack

Harry Klauber · 04-14-2008, 06:58 PM

Butch,
The jack looks exactly like a trevally but we all know they don't live in the Atlantic. I would take that picture and send it to the magazine that does all of the identification from pictures. I'd be curious to see what they say. Maybe it made it's way through the Panama canal and over to West End?There are species of fish in the Bahamas that we don't see anywhere else such as the tiger grouper. You'd never know what it was if you hadn't seen one before.
How big was that dolphin - looks about 42 pounds from the picture - almost as long as Richard. It was a great trip - just one bit of advice. If you make any trips in the future advise your room mates to bring ear plugs as the consensus in room 12 was that you won the snoring award hands down!!
I wish I had a camcorder as your body slam would have won "the funniest video award". I'd never quite seen that particualr tactic for subduing a wild fish. You were hilarious.

miamiangler1 · 04-14-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DIRTYFOOT2

Dirtyfoot Jack it is

How was your crossing Willy? Conditions weren't near as bad as we thought they were going to be

Butch,
well the night before everyone had me pumped up ... didnt sleep all night thinking of 6-8ft waves out in the open ... but was not as bad.. my 16ft er could handle those seas

did come across some giant patches of sargaso... chunked for half hour but no takers ...tried out front of WPB inlet for goldens .. thanks to Kyle giving some info ... also nothing on the drops ..but maybe next time !

savanna lynn · 04-14-2008, 07:24 PM

caught bunches of those things never ate one but meat is clean white i doubt there poisin from that depth let us know. btw watch the spines on the tail, nice job on the trip df

my friend in ga took them and said they made good crab bait

Boboe · 04-14-2008, 07:39 PM

There's a wenchman at the bottom of the snapper photo.

FishFinder · 04-15-2008, 07:57 AM

Black Jack it is. I have caught these in 900-1000 ft Meat was consumed, No one got sick! Nothing wrong with the Meat.

Nick C · 04-15-2008, 08:16 AM

F'ers.... told you they were Black Jacks, but you guys didn't believe me lol!! Glad you didn't eat it!!!

quack quack · 04-15-2008, 08:19 AM

Nope did not eat it but the yellow eyes and buttons sure liked it!!

Uncle Buck · 04-15-2008, 08:26 AM

Yep, I agree... Black Jack fish. As opposed to a Jack Black fish.

DIRTYFOOT2 · 04-16-2008, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savanna lynn

caught bunches of those things never ate one but meat is clean white i doubt there poisin from that depth let us know. btw watch the spines on the tail, nice job on the trip df

my friend in ga took them and said they made good crab bait

Thanks SL. That tail section is serrated and sharp like a bread knife. The Jack made good cut bait for the deep drop rigs, so I can't imagine its poison. You wouldn't think the fish would eat it if it was toxic

islandshark633 · 04-16-2008, 01:43 PM

def Black Jack, caught lots of them deep dropping. All big jacks in the Bahamas are prone to ciguterra, even if you caught it deep, it will come shallow to feed so eat at your own risk. I wouldnt. amberJacks are often caught deep dropping in 700-1000ft but that does not make them same to eat either.

Black Jacks have a razor spine at the tail, sliced a finger to the bone on one once....

Uncle Buck · 04-16-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DIRTYFOOT2

The Jack made good cut bait for the deep drop rigs, so I can't imagine its poison. You wouldn't think the fish would eat it if it was toxic

Don't count on that. The reason fish acquire ciguatoxin is from eating fish that have it. Small amounts of toxin are passed from prey to predator, and concentrate in the larger/older fish.

bajakian · 04-16-2008, 03:14 PM

Bill is correct-Ciguatoxin is not toxic to the fish that ingest it so they have no biological reason to try to avoid fish that are eating the dinoflagellates that carry the ciguaterra neurotoxin.

bajakian · 04-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck

Yep, I agree... Black Jack fish. As opposed to a Jack Black fish.

Nice photshop job!! You must be a graphic artist!!

04-14-2008, 05:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
DIRTYFOOT2 Grander Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lake Worth fl Best Catch: 53lb Black Grouper Occupation: Gunnel Washer Posts: 2,027	D F Jack Dirtyfoot Jack it is How was your crossing Willy? Conditions weren't near as bad as we thought they were going to be __________________ right thumb on the spool, left hand flips the lever

04-14-2008, 07:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
savanna lynn Hooked Up Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 220	caught bunches of those things never ate one but meat is clean white i doubt there poisin from that depth let us know. btw watch the spines on the tail, nice job on the trip df my friend in ga took them and said they made good crab bait __________________ http://www.savannalynnfishingadventures.comFISH HARD DIE RICH

04-15-2008, 07:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
FishFinder Lines In Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Da Islands Posts: 14	Black Jack it is. I have caught these in 900-1000 ft Meat was consumed, No one got sick! Nothing wrong with the Meat. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/45948606@N00/

04-15-2008, 08:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
Nick C Grander Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 900-1600' of water Boat: 25' Bluewater(Rough C's) Best Catch: est. 120lb Tarpon on 16lb tippet(fight time was 12 min) Occupation: Squid rigger Posts: 2,118	F'ers.... told you they were Black Jacks, but you guys didn't believe me lol!! Glad you didn't eat it!!! __________________ "Put your buoys out... we're comin' in HOT!"

04-15-2008, 08:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,456	Nope did not eat it but the yellow eyes and buttons sure liked it!! __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

04-14-2008, 05:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
miamiangler1 Grander Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: north miami, keystone point Boat: ,live bait ,deep dropping,swordfishing Best Catch: 7ft sailfish on 10#test with diawaBG20, 100#tarpon on 6#test baitcaster bass rod Occupation: selfemployed,real estate, painter,model builder Posts: 1,511	Hey Butch ,,, silky , blackfin-button,yelloweye .. red grouper ... had fun at BMC... looks like you had a great catch,,,Butch if it is a new species you get to name it

04-14-2008, 05:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
mlutz95 Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: dallas Best Catch: billfish slam Occupation: student (9th grade) Posts: 189	think its a black jack, but you oughta send it in to Sport Fishing mag and ask the guy about it.

04-14-2008, 05:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Disco Lady Grander Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,931	Its a Dirtyfoot trevalley COÑO!!!!!! I've caught em off the reef there before.

04-14-2008, 06:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
cantdance Grunt Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6	It's a black jack or as the locals call it a dead jack cause that what you'll be if you eat one. they say sharks won't touch them

04-14-2008, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
billspilingup Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lighthouse Point Boat: 31' Ocean Master Best Catch: 300lb & 200lb back to back daytimers Posts: 447	black jack

04-14-2008, 06:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Harry Klauber Hooked Up Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Miami Boat: 284 Mako Best Catch: Blue Fin Tuna - 1049 Pounds Occupation: Retired USCG Unlimited HP Chief Engineer Posts: 271	Butch, The jack looks exactly like a trevally but we all know they don't live in the Atlantic. I would take that picture and send it to the magazine that does all of the identification from pictures. I'd be curious to see what they say. Maybe it made it's way through the Panama canal and over to West End?There are species of fish in the Bahamas that we don't see anywhere else such as the tiger grouper. You'd never know what it was if you hadn't seen one before. How big was that dolphin - looks about 42 pounds from the picture - almost as long as Richard. It was a great trip - just one bit of advice. If you make any trips in the future advise your room mates to bring ear plugs as the consensus in room 12 was that you won the snoring award hands down!! I wish I had a camcorder as your body slam would have won "the funniest video award". I'd never quite seen that particualr tactic for subduing a wild fish. You were hilarious.

04-14-2008, 07:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
Boboe Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Austin, TX Occupation: Alaskan Fishing Guide, Gulf of Mexico Offshore Crew Boat Captain Posts: 743	There's a wenchman at the bottom of the snapper photo.

04-15-2008, 08:26 AM	#15 (permalink)
Uncle Buck Grander Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boat in Boynton / Home In Boca Boat: Sailfish 218CC Best Catch: 350+ Mako Occupation: Graphic Designer Posts: 1,786	Yep, I agree... Black Jack fish. As opposed to a Jack Black fish. __________________ 2007 TBF Top Swordfish Tagging Angler, Atlantic Uncle Buck Graphic Arts, LLC Graphic Design Services for the Boating/Fishing Industry Last edited by Uncle Buck : 04-15-2008 at 10:34 PM.

04-16-2008, 01:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
islandshark633 Hooked Up Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NC & Bahamas Boat: Sold Best Catch: 56# Misty, 100+# Pacific Sail Occupation: Custom Lures & Rods Posts: 675	def Black Jack, caught lots of them deep dropping. All big jacks in the Bahamas are prone to ciguterra, even if you caught it deep, it will come shallow to feed so eat at your own risk. I wouldnt. amberJacks are often caught deep dropping in 700-1000ft but that does not make them same to eat either. Black Jacks have a razor spine at the tail, sliced a finger to the bone on one once.... __________________ www.BahamaLure.com The Eyes Have It

04-16-2008, 03:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
bajakian Hooked Up Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ocean Ridge, Fl Boat: Venture 34 Best Catch: 300 lb Yellow fin Tuna, Blue Marlin 240 lbs on 30 lb test, 423 lb Swordfish Occupation: MD Posts: 932	Bill is correct-Ciguatoxin is not toxic to the fish that ingest it so they have no biological reason to try to avoid fish that are eating the dinoflagellates that carry the ciguaterra neurotoxin.

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