New Bahamas Regs - Udate - Page 2

quack quack · 03-22-2007, 12:46 PM

Going to the keys on June 6th thru the 10th.Any other guys looking to go shoot me a pm.We have 2 to 4 boats going now.It will be a blast fishing and partying.

RiskTaker · 03-22-2007, 04:12 PM

We're going to the Bahamas, 3/25 - 3/28, West End for POE, wind blowing permitting. Again weather permitting, we may go to Walker's.

If we can only possess 6 pelagics may as well be fishing for Big yellowfins, what the heck maybe even a monster Bluefin if it is not to early. Now I'm just drooling.

Will keep you all posted on the tone in the streets, while there, if we every get off of our sea legs. It could be windy and wavy.

We must keep the petitions going to hope that there are some changes for the better of the tourist Angler.

Does anyone now how to get in contact with Hubert Ingram (MP - Northern Abacos)? A friend who is Bahamian mentioned that he is affiliated with the FNM party. If a reasonable compromise could be articulated and he could concur it would be a reasonble solution, we could have a Bahamian Ally within the Bahamas, that could make some sense.

It seems apparenent that all outside influences are a mute point, unless there could be some clear benefits to the Bahamian citizens, particulary the grass roots peoples, not into big business.

The general idea that I got, in a non-offesive way is that we don't matter very much in the grand scheme of things.

Bahamas Economy in descending order:

Accounting
Tourism (which the fishing community may not account for a big slice of)
Fishing (Commercial, the Non-commercial Bahamian, and the tourist fishmen) - which also account for a small slice of the pie.

My response to that is that we may see how important that group is as the summer moves on.

Another interesting note: with the elections coming up, it seems that the FNM group may be making inroads back into power. Anything that could upset that applecart could be detrimental for officials already in Office. So perhaps there may be some reluctance to change, or at least until after the elections.

Please advise, as I do not know the politics well, but that was at least what I could get out of conversation with a native Bahamian from Eleuthera.

captadamr · 03-22-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by edhartmansr

Buckeye, that is exactly what they are telling you!!!!! It cannot be filleted, it must be intact with the head and tail. They have made a provision for cutting the fish in half to enable it to fit in you baggage. Isn't that just thoughtful of them !!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAS !!!!

edhartmansr · 03-26-2007, 04:47 PM

Captadar, I am one of 6 boats that is planning a two month trip to the Abacos this June and July. We will each leave about $10 to 15,000.00 each in your country. That equates to about $100,00.00 total. For that we are now permitted to cut 6 fish in half and pack them in our bag on return to the U.S., and you call me a "JACKASS" !!!! Are you kidding?????? It sounds like the Jackass' are running the country!

I just returned form the Palm Beach, Fl. Boat Show and I talked to several of the Bahamian Resort and Marina owners. They all tell the same story, ( Reservations are down by more than 50% already and more are cancelling each day). Does the Government not care about the small business man in your country???? Sorry, but this is just rediculus!

captadamr · 03-26-2007, 05:26 PM

My comment refers to the overall context of your posts which are a constant attack towars the BAH goverment.

As I understand the New Regs, the fish can be filletted once off your vessel. In your post you say that its nice that it can be cut in half to fit inside your baggage. Baggage would refer to airline baggage?? Currently there is no rule to my knowlege that says you cannot transport fillets out of the country via air. Only by vessel.

If I am wrong then I take back my comments and eat some crow.

Good Luck on your crossing.

PS: If you spent $10000000, that doesnt make you special.

edhartmansr · 03-26-2007, 05:32 PM

I apologize Captadamr, I am just frustrasted about this situation. I am a very conservation minded boater and fisherman. I have and will always play the game by the rules! I just am disturbed that my great vacation and fishing summer to the Bahamas will be clouded by this unfortunate political decision!!! We are still going and we will make the best of it! I guess we just have to spend more time at Nipper's this year ( not all that bad, HUH?) smile!

captadamr · 03-26-2007, 05:45 PM

I can understand your frustration, I guess I would be in the same boat if I was a bottom fisherman. I think this was a rushed political move, to try a last ditch vote rally. Will it help? I think its going to cost them all the family island districts and its # of seats in the house, not # of votes that wins the election. After Easter will be the test.

Have a safe trip in June

Capt Adam R.

edhartmansr · 03-26-2007, 05:47 PM

Thanks, and please keep us posted of any change.

Ed

Warrior · 03-26-2007, 07:18 PM

Adam, There are a lot of fisherman over here that are concerned with the new regs. Its not the fact that they will not be able to exploit your waters, but the fact that these new laws take the fun out of bottom fishing and spearfishing. These guys will always be looking over their shoulders to see if a boat is approaching. The abacos are a fertlie fishing ground, to me even better for spearfishing than any other island I have been to. Therefore, these islands have the least appeal now. If the BAH government could loosen the laws regarding bottom fish, this would ease the stress of pulling a 21# mystic from 800', or shooting a 21# yellowfin grouper. My other problem with the law is that one can only collect 6 spineys per boat. Why only 6, why not one per person or 6 per boat which ever is greater? Just a question.

I get it. I agree with the conservation, but I see the point.

RiskTaker · 03-26-2007, 09:34 PM

Well:

If you divide 6 legal sized crawfish tails equally, among a crew of 4 guys, this amounts to 1 1/2 tails per person, once you get back home to your family.

I simply cannot understand why you want to be so abusive to the bahamian Aquaculture. I think that you are just being a bit greedy. Mixed in with a nice Paella pan full of rice, and other terrestrial ingredients, that should be enough for you and your family to be reminiscing over your Bahamas trip for at least a week, including leftovers.

Roflmao - Ok that was the sarcasm, just to exaggerate the point. I think everyone posting on this thread understands the seriousness of the situation at hand.

For a little better understanding of what is really going on here, since it may not have necessarily been very well articulated here, yet: check out and read this thread as well. http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/f...-new-regs.html

You may grow restless, but the reality may be that status-quo could be in order, until the new seats are assigned in Bahamian Parliment.

I just hope that these decisions do not hurt the out Island residents too badly before the alarms start sounding. For the moment, it is likely deaf ears from the urban centers: N.P. Lucaya and Eleuthera that are not hearing the cries of the communities that are highly dependent upon tourists that come to fish, not to rape and pillage, but to bring a sizable chuck home with them. In exchange, they usually splash quite a few dollars in their wake, which of course the fish, cost the regular Bahamian pennies, if that , on the dollar.

We should be keeping a careful eye one the conch situation however. Uniform restrictions are the best way to compose a law. Although, enforcement by the second cousin still isn't going to happen. But everybody's got a cousin in Miami. So tell me the real point; although, I really know it already. Jah, movement of the people!

B767 · 03-26-2007, 10:57 PM

PS: If you spent $10000000, that doesnt make you special.[/quote]

True, but a little respect and courtesy would be appreciated.....!!!!!!!

captadamr · 03-27-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767

True, but a little respect and courtesy would be appreciated.....!!!!!!!

Very well lets start that shall we, start respecting the descions of the Bahamamian Goverment, and Bahamian people.

I have utmost respect for those that return the favor. Spending money does not earn you respect. This was resolved dont stir it back up!

Warrior · 03-27-2007, 11:55 AM

Simply my point to the crawfish law was, on a boat like mine I can transport and sleep 8-10 people, is 6 lobster enough? For me, I could give a $hit less about them, but to a lot of weekend warriors that doesn't make it worth their wile to cross over! The true fact of it all is that when you come back into US waters, you need to conform to the laws here anyway.

Regulate the $hit out of it, but have it make sence. I like the closed seasons. I like the limits. I like the conservation, but make it more practical ... 6 grouper, 10 snapper, 4 hogfish, whatever. 6 pelagics... perfect.

quack quack · 03-27-2007, 12:03 PM

I do not think that the majority of Bahamian people had any input in this desicion.The fact that if you own a place in the Bahamas and that makes you a resident and not subject to the new fishing rules being used as a selling point is more behind it.It is the Bahamian Govt new vision of there future.More development at what ever the costs.First dredge Bimini and so on.Little biz who cares we want an Atlantis on every island.That is the reason behind these new laws just a step in the plan.

Sorry Adam I really do respect you and Bahamian people but I do not think this is a good thing for you all in the end.I agree on regs that are fair and can see the new summer crab regs and even can deal with the pelagic limits but as you said the bottom fish regs are stupid.It just goes to show how absolutely no science was used in these new regs.This is just a political move to help the new development draw more buyers.

B767 · 03-27-2007, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captadamr

Very well lets start that shall we, start respecting the descions of the Bahamamian Goverment, and Bahamian people.

I have utmost respect for those that return the favor. Spending money does not earn you respect. This was resolved dont stir it back up!

Capt.
Not stirring the pot, just a clarification. The decision of your Government, as far as I know, has been respected. However, I don t believe that we, as a fishing community, agree on it though. Last I heard it was ok to vent (RESPECTFULLY, I might add). All I was referring is at the fact that when you spend your money, you should expect a certain degree of courtesy in reciprocity.(It's called SERVICE) Don't read any more into it. Peace!!!!!!!! Just an opinion Capt., and a humble one at that.

Predator Freeport · 03-27-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quack quack

I do not think that the majority of Bahamian people had any input in this desicion.The fact that if you own a place in the Bahamas and that makes you a resident and not subject to the new fishing rules being used as a selling point is more behind it.It is the Bahamian Govt new vision of there future.More development at what ever the costs.First dredge Bimini and so on.Little biz who cares we want an Atlantis on every island.That is the reason behind these new laws just a step in the plan.

Sorry Adam I really do respect you and Bahamian people but I do not think this is a good thing for you all in the end.I agree on regs that are fair and can see the new summer crab regs and even can deal with the pelagic limits but as you said the bottom fish regs are stupid.It just goes to show how absolutely no science was used in these new regs.This is just a political move to help the new development draw more buyers.

The way I understand the rules is that they also apply to Residents, Permanent and/or Home owners. Clarification would be appriciated.

quack quack · 03-27-2007, 04:32 PM

I was told it did not aplly to res.

Gaitor · 03-27-2007, 04:42 PM

Would that be the "Unwritten Law"?

captadamr · 03-27-2007, 04:57 PM

Residents or Citizens is the question. It doesnt apply to Bahamain Citizens but to residents i am not sure about. It does apply to us on charters, but we rarely fish for demersals except this week with the howling winds

I really dont think someone who buys a million dollar lot and builds a 4 mil house or buys into the condos really cares about fishing. Most have a big motoryacht sitting out front, not a sportfish.

Post Election will be the intresting time.

edhartmansr · 03-27-2007, 06:01 PM

Jeez guys, I didn't realize that my little comment was going to stir such a roar. But, I guess it shows that my miniscule $100,000.00 contribution group to the Bahamian economy is not just a drop in the bucket. It seems that there are many more of us involved in this controversy. Oh, DAMN (here I go again). Well, someone has to stir the pot ( I GUESS ) !!!!

03-22-2007, 12:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	Going to the keys on June 6th thru the 10th.Any other guys looking to go shoot me a pm.We have 2 to 4 boats going now.It will be a blast fishing and partying. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

03-22-2007, 04:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,923	Does anyone now how to get in contact with Hubert Ingram? We're going to the Bahamas, 3/25 - 3/28, West End for POE, wind blowing permitting. Again weather permitting, we may go to Walker's. If we can only possess 6 pelagics may as well be fishing for Big yellowfins, what the heck maybe even a monster Bluefin if it is not to early. Now I'm just drooling. Will keep you all posted on the tone in the streets, while there, if we every get off of our sea legs. It could be windy and wavy. We must keep the petitions going to hope that there are some changes for the better of the tourist Angler. Does anyone now how to get in contact with Hubert Ingram (MP - Northern Abacos)? A friend who is Bahamian mentioned that he is affiliated with the FNM party. If a reasonable compromise could be articulated and he could concur it would be a reasonble solution, we could have a Bahamian Ally within the Bahamas, that could make some sense. It seems apparenent that all outside influences are a mute point, unless there could be some clear benefits to the Bahamian citizens, particulary the grass roots peoples, not into big business. The general idea that I got, in a non-offesive way is that we don't matter very much in the grand scheme of things. Bahamas Economy in descending order: Accounting Tourism (which the fishing community may not account for a big slice of) Fishing (Commercial, the Non-commercial Bahamian, and the tourist fishmen) - which also account for a small slice of the pie. My response to that is that we may see how important that group is as the summer moves on. Another interesting note: with the elections coming up, it seems that the FNM group may be making inroads back into power. Anything that could upset that applecart could be detrimental for officials already in Office. So perhaps there may be some reluctance to change, or at least until after the elections. Please advise, as I do not know the politics well, but that was at least what I could get out of conversation with a native Bahamian from Eleuthera.

03-26-2007, 04:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
edhartmansr Lines In Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl. Boat: 37' Silverton / 20' HydraSport Occupation: Business owner Posts: 18	Captadar, I am one of 6 boats that is planning a two month trip to the Abacos this June and July. We will each leave about $10 to 15,000.00 each in your country. That equates to about $100,00.00 total. For that we are now permitted to cut 6 fish in half and pack them in our bag on return to the U.S., and you call me a "JACKASS" !!!! Are you kidding?????? It sounds like the Jackass' are running the country! I just returned form the Palm Beach, Fl. Boat Show and I talked to several of the Bahamian Resort and Marina owners. They all tell the same story, ( Reservations are down by more than 50% already and more are cancelling each day). Does the Government not care about the small business man in your country???? Sorry, but this is just rediculus! __________________

03-26-2007, 05:32 PM	#26 (permalink)
edhartmansr Lines In Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl. Boat: 37' Silverton / 20' HydraSport Occupation: Business owner Posts: 18	I apologize Captadamr, I am just frustrasted about this situation. I am a very conservation minded boater and fisherman. I have and will always play the game by the rules! I just am disturbed that my great vacation and fishing summer to the Bahamas will be clouded by this unfortunate political decision!!! We are still going and we will make the best of it! I guess we just have to spend more time at Nipper's this year ( not all that bad, HUH?) smile! __________________ Last edited by edhartmansr : 03-27-2007 at 06:44 PM.

03-26-2007, 05:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
edhartmansr Lines In Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl. Boat: 37' Silverton / 20' HydraSport Occupation: Business owner Posts: 18	Thanks, and please keep us posted of any change. Ed __________________

03-26-2007, 05:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
captadamr Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nassau, Bahamas Boat: 2 Hats, 1 Post and a Tiara Best Catch: Blue Marlin 135" 600+ Occupation: Captain Posts: 232	My comment refers to the overall context of your posts which are a constant attack towars the BAH goverment. As I understand the New Regs, the fish can be filletted once off your vessel. In your post you say that its nice that it can be cut in half to fit inside your baggage. Baggage would refer to airline baggage?? Currently there is no rule to my knowlege that says you cannot transport fillets out of the country via air. Only by vessel. If I am wrong then I take back my comments and eat some crow. Good Luck on your crossing. PS: If you spent $10000000, that doesnt make you special.

03-26-2007, 05:45 PM	#27 (permalink)
captadamr Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nassau, Bahamas Boat: 2 Hats, 1 Post and a Tiara Best Catch: Blue Marlin 135" 600+ Occupation: Captain Posts: 232	I can understand your frustration, I guess I would be in the same boat if I was a bottom fisherman. I think this was a rushed political move, to try a last ditch vote rally. Will it help? I think its going to cost them all the family island districts and its # of seats in the house, not # of votes that wins the election. After Easter will be the test. Have a safe trip in June Capt Adam R.

03-26-2007, 07:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
Warrior Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft.Pierce Boat: 60 Ocean SS/31 Contender Best Catch: 369# core Giant Bluefin Posts: 308	Adam, There are a lot of fisherman over here that are concerned with the new regs. Its not the fact that they will not be able to exploit your waters, but the fact that these new laws take the fun out of bottom fishing and spearfishing. These guys will always be looking over their shoulders to see if a boat is approaching. The abacos are a fertlie fishing ground, to me even better for spearfishing than any other island I have been to. Therefore, these islands have the least appeal now. If the BAH government could loosen the laws regarding bottom fish, this would ease the stress of pulling a 21# mystic from 800', or shooting a 21# yellowfin grouper. My other problem with the law is that one can only collect 6 spineys per boat. Why only 6, why not one per person or 6 per boat which ever is greater? Just a question. I get it. I agree with the conservation, but I see the point.

03-26-2007, 09:34 PM	#30 (permalink)
RiskTaker Grander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pompano Beach, Florida, USA Best Catch: Boricua, 155 Posts: 1,923	God loves to watch the decisions people make. Well: If you divide 6 legal sized crawfish tails equally, among a crew of 4 guys, this amounts to 1 1/2 tails per person, once you get back home to your family. I simply cannot understand why you want to be so abusive to the bahamian Aquaculture. I think that you are just being a bit greedy. Mixed in with a nice Paella pan full of rice, and other terrestrial ingredients, that should be enough for you and your family to be reminiscing over your Bahamas trip for at least a week, including leftovers. Roflmao - Ok that was the sarcasm, just to exaggerate the point. I think everyone posting on this thread understands the seriousness of the situation at hand. For a little better understanding of what is really going on here, since it may not have necessarily been very well articulated here, yet: check out and read this thread as well. http://www.swordfishingcentral.com/f...-new-regs.html You may grow restless, but the reality may be that status-quo could be in order, until the new seats are assigned in Bahamian Parliment. I just hope that these decisions do not hurt the out Island residents too badly before the alarms start sounding. For the moment, it is likely deaf ears from the urban centers: N.P. Lucaya and Eleuthera that are not hearing the cries of the communities that are highly dependent upon tourists that come to fish, not to rape and pillage, but to bring a sizable chuck home with them. In exchange, they usually splash quite a few dollars in their wake, which of course the fish, cost the regular Bahamian pennies, if that , on the dollar. We should be keeping a careful eye one the conch situation however. Uniform restrictions are the best way to compose a law. Although, enforcement by the second cousin still isn't going to happen. But everybody's got a cousin in Miami. So tell me the real point; although, I really know it already. Jah, movement of the people!

03-26-2007, 10:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
B767 Hooked Up Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Miami Boat: VSC, Old Hatt Occupation: Bus Driver Posts: 401	PS: If you spent $10000000, that doesnt make you special.[/quote] True, but a little respect and courtesy would be appreciated.....!!!!!!! __________________ Life on the water is good, and beer makes it better

03-27-2007, 11:55 AM	#33 (permalink)
Warrior Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft.Pierce Boat: 60 Ocean SS/31 Contender Best Catch: 369# core Giant Bluefin Posts: 308	Simply my point to the crawfish law was, on a boat like mine I can transport and sleep 8-10 people, is 6 lobster enough? For me, I could give a $hit less about them, but to a lot of weekend warriors that doesn't make it worth their wile to cross over! The true fact of it all is that when you come back into US waters, you need to conform to the laws here anyway. Regulate the $hit out of it, but have it make sence. I like the closed seasons. I like the limits. I like the conservation, but make it more practical ... 6 grouper, 10 snapper, 4 hogfish, whatever. 6 pelagics... perfect.

03-27-2007, 12:03 PM	#34 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	I do not think that the majority of Bahamian people had any input in this desicion.The fact that if you own a place in the Bahamas and that makes you a resident and not subject to the new fishing rules being used as a selling point is more behind it.It is the Bahamian Govt new vision of there future.More development at what ever the costs.First dredge Bimini and so on.Little biz who cares we want an Atlantis on every island.That is the reason behind these new laws just a step in the plan. Sorry Adam I really do respect you and Bahamian people but I do not think this is a good thing for you all in the end.I agree on regs that are fair and can see the new summer crab regs and even can deal with the pelagic limits but as you said the bottom fish regs are stupid.It just goes to show how absolutely no science was used in these new regs.This is just a political move to help the new development draw more buyers. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision. Last edited by quack quack : 03-27-2007 at 12:05 PM.

03-27-2007, 04:32 PM	#37 (permalink)
quack quack Old Salt Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: lake worth Best Catch: 25lb codfish 5 yrs old first hanger Posts: 4,424	I was told it did not aplly to res. __________________ Either we can be a part of the solution or we can be the victims of a decision.

03-27-2007, 04:42 PM	#38 (permalink)
Gaitor Hooked Up Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Palm Beach Gardens,FL Boat: 25 ft HydraSports Best Catch: 150 lb Pacific Sail, 100 lb Tarpon from the surf Occupation: Old Retired Fart Posts: 557	Would that be the "Unwritten Law"?

03-27-2007, 04:57 PM	#39 (permalink)
captadamr Hooked Up Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nassau, Bahamas Boat: 2 Hats, 1 Post and a Tiara Best Catch: Blue Marlin 135" 600+ Occupation: Captain Posts: 232	Residents or Citizens is the question. It doesnt apply to Bahamain Citizens but to residents i am not sure about. It does apply to us on charters, but we rarely fish for demersals except this week with the howling winds I really dont think someone who buys a million dollar lot and builds a 4 mil house or buys into the condos really cares about fishing. Most have a big motoryacht sitting out front, not a sportfish. Post Election will be the intresting time.

03-27-2007, 06:01 PM	#40 (permalink)
edhartmansr Lines In Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando, Fl. Boat: 37' Silverton / 20' HydraSport Occupation: Business owner Posts: 18	Jeez guys, I didn't realize that my little comment was going to stir such a roar. But, I guess it shows that my miniscule $100,000.00 contribution group to the Bahamian economy is not just a drop in the bucket. It seems that there are many more of us involved in this controversy. Oh, DAMN (here I go again). Well, someone has to stir the pot ( I GUESS ) !!!! __________________ Last edited by edhartmansr : 03-27-2007 at 06:41 PM.