boat question??

[Disco Lady]

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[Warrior]

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[DIRTYFOOT2]

I need investment opportunities......Ultra high return.
Both boats had me drooling Jim, I've fished a 26 Twin Vee, and a 26 Glacier bay and noticed both had trouble getting on top of the seas. Seems like your boat doesn't have that problem. What's the difference?Is it just size? Guess not if you were happy w/ your 26.......
Curious. Eventually I will be buying a boat, and I try to figure out the +++, and - - -'s of all the boats I have the pleasure of riding on
DF2

[Uncle Buck]

Beast... I know cats can handle some foul seas easily, but I've heard tunnel slap can damn near knock yer fillings out. Any truth to that?

[Disco Lady]

YES! UNCLE,THAT IS TRUE.

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by DIRTYFOOT2

I need investment opportunities......Ultra high return.
Both boats had me drooling Jim, I've fished a 26 Twin Vee, and a 26 Glacier bay and noticed both had trouble getting on top of the seas. Seems like your boat doesn't have that problem. What's the difference?Is it just size? Guess not if you were happy w/ your 26.......
Curious. Eventually I will be buying a boat, and I try to figure out the +++, and - - -'s of all the boats I have the pleasure of riding on
DF2

Dirtyfoot2,

Power catamarans offer a smoother, softer ride due to the twin hulls with sharp entry and less mass resistance when re-entering the water. My boat is a 10.5' beam and each sponson is only 42" wide. 3.5' less in width of fiberglass crashing down on a wave. All the Cats represent the most stable platform when at rest. In my boat, we put over 1000#'s of people in the aft corner of the boat and she dipped about 1.5 inches. I can walk from side to side in a rythym and still can't make it rock. SOLID!

Let me preface these comments, so there is no arguement. These are only my opinions of the facts!

ProKat and Kevlacat are a planing hull like most of the CC V-hull boats. They also chatter on top of the water like a V-hull and require HPto get on top. The ProKat oddly enough has no more top end speed than the WorldCat. Some Kevlacat owners and dealers say their boats are faster but I can't substantiate that. The 25 Kevlacat is not really a true 25. It is 25 overall, so it could be so with like HP. My 27 WorldCat with 2-200 EFI Suzuki 2 strokes ran 50.2 mph with me in the tower.

The Glacier Bay is a full displacement hull... no matter how big or how much power or tabs or fins you put on it, it will never get out of the water. In my opinion this makes for a squishy ride and loads of bow steer. A full displacement hull is also a mess in a following sea. Glacier Bay likes to tout that they require less HP. THat is correct if you, you realize that their hull speeds are about half of the other type hulls. Adding more HP is wasted money and fuel for negligible speed increases.

Twinvee considers itself a semi-displacement hull like that of the WorldCat. It is, to a much lesser degree, only affording very little bow rise. I would say it is a full displacemnt hull with limited semi-displacment characteristics.

The WorldCat is a true semi-displacement hull. It is trimmable allowing full response through all of the motor trim ranges and generally rides from the midship forward out of the water, when trimmed properly. The semi displacement hull affords the softest, smoothest ride, because of this. The stern stays in the water eliminating launch while the bows are out of the water eliminating drag while exposing the keen forward bows to slice through the oncoming wave.

As far a workmanship (fit & finish) I would rate them as follows. WorldCat, GlacierBay, and followed up in no particular ordser are the Prokat Twinvee, and Kevlacat.

WorldCat has won the CSI (customer satisfaction index) or happy customer award for 3 years in a row now. The factory support is incredible to all. Go to the WorldCat forum and just lurk around a bit. You will see that we are a big happy family.

If you would like to discuss my boat (WorldCat) in more detail, my website has my phone # on it and I am home most evey evening, unless I am on the darkside, of course. I never mind talking fishing or about The BEAST.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck

Beast... I know cats can handle some foul seas easily, but I've heard tunnel slap can damn near knock yer fillings out. Any truth to that?

I forgot to mention the Prowler by Renaissance marine here in Miami. They fall into the planing hull category.

Uncle Buck,

I bet a V-hull dealer told you that, huh! I have had them tell me about tunnel slap, snap rolls, and bow steer. They don't realize that I have been running Cats for almost 10 years now. Most people making these claims have never even ridden on a Cat, regarless of brand, and have no idea what they are talking about.

Did you see anything in that video that looked like any of us needed a dentist visit. I hate dentists so the last thing I would ever do is buy a boat that knocked my fillings out. I'm 54 years old and my knees have paid for my past. That's why I run a catamaran instead of a V-hull. Heck, Amy rode sitting down all but the first 36 seconds. I ride in some of the worst slop sitting down and drinking coffee, YES, the cup has a lid. I ran a charter on Friday (nasty as hell) I never stood up from Black Point to the bait patches off whistle Buoy (20 miles). We fished all day in 6-8' seas.

The truth of "hull slap" is that it is the noise you hear usually at idle when the waves lap inside the tunnel of the boat. At trolling speeds, into a direct head sea you will get tunnel "thunk" from the bows cutting in and the wave thunking up against the flat spot on the mouth of the tunnel. A slight 5 degree course change to allow one bow to contact before the other remedies this thunking. After all isn't zig zag trolling patterns better than staright ahead. When running in cruise mode the only thing you hear is the wind coursing through the tower pipes. The hardest landing I ever took, was 10 times better than the average V-hull thuds.

I will gladly put up with a little hull slap noise or some trolling thunk for the major benefits in ride, comfort, and stability.

The BEAST may only top out at 42mph with her 225 Hondas. She may only cruise at 30 mph (3900 RPM), BUT... she will do 30 mph in most any sea and you can sit down in the true definition of the word "'cruise".

The same offer extends to you and anyone else who really would like to know more about my WorldCats. Feel free to give me a call.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[Warrior]

QQ- how did you like the everglades?

[quack quack]

Originally Posted by Warrior

QQ- how did you like the everglades?

Best ridding CC I have ever ran Last year at the Miami boat show I was running the 26 on seatrials.Not only did everyone I took out love the ride but I was blowing by every other brand boat running out there. The dealer was getting complaints that I was makeing the other boats look bad true story.

[Uncle Buck]

Originally Posted by The BEAST

Uncle Buck,
I bet a V-hull dealer told you that, huh! I have had them tell me about tunnel slap, snap rolls, and bow steer.

Nah, it was actually a friend of mine who was out on a cat in rough seas. Short swells, actually. Said it was mostly a great ride, but then every once in a while they'd take a wave that slammed up into the tunnel. Gave 'em a serious jarring. Kinda like bottoming out a spring... nice and smooth until there's no more give.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to have a WorldCat or similar. Stability and overall ride comfort are

[Relentless33]

Originally Posted by quack quack

Best ridding CC I have ever ran Last year at the Miami boat show I was running the 26 on seatrials.Not only did everyone I take out love the ride but I was blowing by every other brand boat running out there. The dealer was getting complaints that I was making the other boats look bad true story.

Have you ran a 33' Hydra-Sport?

[quack quack]

I have ran past them

[Relentless33]

They must have been one of those guys like in the big kingfish tourneys that run 90 miles and can't figure out how to BURY THE NOSE


Mike: Does the 20 smiley limit have a purpose or do you just not want the 42 smileys I had in this reply? I imagine it has to due something with slowing the site (browser) down a little bit ??

[The BEAST]

Originally Posted by Uncle Buck

Nah, it was actually a friend of mine who was out on a cat in rough seas. Short swells, actually. Said it was mostly a great ride, but then every once in a while they'd take a wave that slammed up into the tunnel. Gave 'em a serious jarring. Kinda like bottoming out a spring... nice and smooth until there's no more give.

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to have a WorldCat or similar. Stability and overall ride comfort are

Uncle Buck,

NO cat boat likes a dead on head sea. The biggest problem with all of the catamarans is there is an operation learning process. They don't run anything like a V-hull and inexperienced operators are the MAIN reason for getting a crappy ride, no matter which brand cat boat it is.

Jr.,

I'm with you little Bro. I fished this past Friday. It was 6-8' and snotty on the reefs. I was the only boat out at the Whistle Buoy until about 11 AM when what boat do you think came out to join us. Yep, a Hydra Sport (30' cuddy style ?) The 33 Hydra Sport Vector is a well put together hull with a great fishing layout and above average ride. If I had to go back into a V-hull, the 33 Hydra Sport Vector would be at the top of my list. You and your Dad have a nice ride.

QQ,

Some, like me, have matured past the "I can pass you" stage where performance is measured solely by speed and not how many screws you need to retighten when you get back. I have taken years of abuse both in sports and rough seas. The arthritis in my feet, knees, and back, are my evidence. Now I measure performance of a boat by how many days I can fish in a row without eating a bottle of Advil. Matter of fact, I am in the Cadillac stage of my life and thinking my next boat will be the 320EC WorldCat (Express cabin).

Think you could pass me in 6' seas with a 29 Everglades? I kinda doubt it! No offense to Everglades boats because they are a finely crafted machine as well.

Capt. Jim
The BEAST

[quack quack]

I was just playing with Jr but that Everglades was running better then the other manufactures boats.I know advil all to well.

[njoimia]

its all about the viking!

[Popi]

Viking 52 & 56 are like driving a sports car

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[DIRTYFOOT2]

Jim,
Thanks for the detailed analysis . I couldn't figure out why one cat would perform so much different than the others but your explanation makes sense to me. Years ago I fished a long range trip out of Panama city on a huge Cat headboat and remembered it was a real solid ride. I think if more people had the explanation you just gave me, they would be purchasing different hulls. Thanks again, and I won't hesitate when it comes time to take you up on your offer.

Take care,
Butch

[Relentless33]

Originally Posted by The BEAST

Jr.,

I'm with you little Bro. I fished this past Friday. It was 6-8' and snotty on the reefs. I was the only boat out at the Whistle Buoy until about 11 AM when what boat do you think came out to join us. Yep, a Hydra Sport (30' cuddy style ?) The 33 Hydra Sport Vector is a well put together hull with a great fishing layout and above average ride. If I had to go back into a V-hull, the 33 Hydra Sport Vector would be at the top of my list. You and your Dad have a nice ride.

Even in the 1989 25' Hydra-Sports we had before the 33 we amazed people around us, but mostly ourselves. We averaged about 3 trips a week going Saturday and Sunday as well as once or twice during the week after school. When we looked into a new, larger hull to step into we said let's look at everything else and then put Hydra-Sports in at the end. All we did was a wicked big circle and "wasted" a LOT of time, studying how many were for sale, why they were for sale, loss of value, fishability, creature comfort, PRICE, etc. We did this for over a year until we had a deal rise as it was meant to happen. The main reason why we have "a nice ride" is only because of the research performed. I knew more info about the boat than the dealer did. That's a shweet feeling too.

Originally Posted by quack quack

I was just playing with Jr

Go play with something else

Nick may be available for your interests

[Flyin By]

Looks bad Azz, whats the weight, Mine is 29' and almost 10,000 not the quickest but at some point gross tonage comes in to play in bad weather..Very nice.